slu72 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 I always fear the last visit school, if the recruit gets that far. Important we make a strong impression. Question is will the memories last and stand up to the bright lights of Ames, IA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, slu72 said: I always fear the last visit school, if the recruit gets that far. Important we make a strong impression. Question is will the memories last and stand up to the bright lights of Ames, IA? Definitely not, given that he'd be visiting Iowa City. Billiken Rich likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Here's a question for the board based on recent posts. Do football schools have an advantage in basketball recruiting, because they can bring basketball recruits to football games on official visits? I honestly don't know how I feel about it. Obviously, there's a lot of pageantry involved in a football game where there's a big crowd and a recruit can get swept up in the emotion of it all. On the flip side, the recruit and his family might wonder if football gets prioritized at the school over basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: Here's a question for the board based on recent posts. Do football schools have an advantage in basketball recruiting, because they can bring basketball recruits to football games on official visits? I honestly don't know how I feel about it. Obviously, there's a lot of pageantry involved in a football game where there's a big crowd and a recruit can get swept up in the emotion of it all. On the flip side, the recruit and his family might wonder if football gets prioritized at the school over basketball. Most big time football programs still have more people showing up for basketball games than most mid-majors could fit in their gym. It’s part of what they sell in the Power 5 conferences, the mentality that says “We are big time, the rest of the colleges are all just peasants beneath our notice”. Plus, if you are interested in getting to the NCAA tourney, all you have to be is .500 in your conference, and it’s usually easier for your friends to watch on tv, and you are usually playing someone they’ve heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 This is going to come down to cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 45 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: Here's a question for the board based on recent posts. Do football schools have an advantage in basketball recruiting, because they can bring basketball recruits to football games on official visits? I honestly don't know how I feel about it. Obviously, there's a lot of pageantry involved in a football game where there's a big crowd and a recruit can get swept up in the emotion of it all. On the flip side, the recruit and his family might wonder if football gets prioritized at the school over basketball. -it's up to the kid what is important to them, and perhaps their handlers, so every case is different -Gonz as a non-football school has done alright, but no others are like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Cowboy II said: -it's up to the kid what is important to them, and perhaps their handlers, so every case is different -Gonz as a non-football school has done alright, but no others are like them Coach Tate says the first question is what about your nil? DOC likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, cgeldmacher said: Here's a question for the board based on recent posts. Do football schools have an advantage in basketball recruiting, because they can bring basketball recruits to football games on official visits? they have more women. period. advantage big sports school. Box and Won likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, dennis_w said: Coach Tate says the first question is what about your nil? Let's forget NILs for a while, I think they will be out of the picture within a couple of years anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, Old guy said: Let's forget NILs for a while, I think they will be out of the picture within a couple of years anyway. we can forget the nil's but the recruits wont CBFan likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 3 hours ago, cgeldmacher said: Here's a question for the board based on recent posts. Do football schools have an advantage in basketball recruiting, because they can bring basketball recruits to football games on official visits? I honestly don't know how I feel about it. Obviously, there's a lot of pageantry involved in a football game where there's a big crowd and a recruit can get swept up in the emotion of it all. On the flip side, the recruit and his family might wonder if football gets prioritized at the school over basketball. Ford has specifically talked about this. He's said that there are some kids who want to go where bball is king and not overshadowed by football and there are also some kids who are comfortable going to school in a city as opposed to a small town - these are the types of kids SLU needs to identify and target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Old guy said: Let's forget NILs for a while, I think they will be out of the picture within a couple of years anyway. This is a horrible take. Even for you. rgbilliken, BilliesBy40, JMM28 and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Old guy said: Let's forget NILs for a while, I think they will be out of the picture within a couple of years anyway. True, kids hate money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, thetorch said: This is a horrible take. Even for you. Don't look up old guy version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, wgstl said: True, kids hate money. Kids will love it and want it. Donors or payors will be scarce. Yuri was lucky this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, wgstl said: True, kids hate money. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Old guy said: Let's forget NILs for a while, I think they will be out of the picture within a couple of years anyway. Right, because the players will be directly on payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 unfortunately no matter how disgusting NIL is, it is not going away. toothpaste is out of the tube. it will only lead to further separations of power and an eventual reformatting of division one sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 20 hours ago, Bills By 40 said: Names get crazier every day It is good to see the staff is involving @Box and Wonin the evaluation process. Bills By 40 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 18 hours ago, Lord Elrond said: Most big time football programs still have more people showing up for basketball games than most mid-majors could fit in their gym. It’s part of what they sell in the Power 5 conferences, the mentality that says “We are big time, the rest of the colleges are all just peasants beneath our notice”. Plus, if you are interested in getting to the NCAA tourney, all you have to be is .500 in your conference, and it’s usually easier for your friends to watch on tv, and you are usually playing someone they’ve heard of. Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 hours ago, billiken_roy said: unfortunately no matter how disgusting NIL is, it is not going away. toothpaste is out of the tube. it will only lead to further separations of power and an eventual reformatting of division one sports. Roy, people with enough money to throw away large amounts of it without blinking and not expecting to profit from it are not abundant. As far as I can see a solution about how to profit from NILs has yet to be found. The novelty of NILs will go down and without profits the number of donors or "investors" in NILs will go down. I have no doubt that some schools (I assume those with a large football related income) will be able to pay large basketball NILs. This will, in my opinion, not be the case for schools which are small to medium in size and have no football program income. Yes, the cat is out of the bag, but I do not think SLU will be among the schools known for large basketball NIL payments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Old guy said: Roy, people with enough money to throw away large amounts of it without blinking and not expecting to profit from it are not abundant. As far as I can see a solution about how to profit from NILs has yet to be found. The novelty of NILs will go down and without profits the number of donors or "investors" in NILs will go down. I have no doubt that some schools (I assume those with a large football related income) will be able to pay large basketball NILs. This will, in my opinion, not be the case for schools which are small to medium in size and have no football program income. Yes, the cat is out of the bag, but I do not think SLU will be among the schools known for large basketball NIL payments. @Old guyyou've been spewing this take since day 1 and you've been wrong about it since day 0. NIL is never going anywhere, the only thing that may go anywhere is the small schools that try to adopt your school of thinking. People pay millions for digital pictures of a cartoon monkey nowadays - you think they're not gonna throw thousands at their alma mater's favorite athlete? Plot twist - people with enough money don't care about making it back. You think Dr. Chaifetz profited from his donation to build the arena? Other than the ego stroke he gets from seeing his name on it, and some publicity of course, he sure as hell didn't. But it was to support a cause he cares about - that's a reason why people spend money and it always will be. majerus mojo, rgbilliken, wgstl and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Bills By 40 said: @Old guyyou've been spewing this take since day 1 and you've been wrong about it since day 0. NIL is never going anywhere, the only thing that may go anywhere is the small schools that try to adopt your school of thinking. People pay millions for digital pictures of a cartoon monkey nowadays - you think they're not gonna throw thousands at their alma mater's favorite athlete? Plot twist - people with enough money don't care about making it back. You think Dr. Chaifetz profited from his donation to build the arena? Other than the ego stroke he gets from seeing his name on it, and some publicity of course, he sure as hell didn't. But it was to support a cause he cares about - that's a reason why people spend money and it always will be. This is the correct take. NIL is not about monetary profit. It's driven by ego, love of alma mater it's athletic achievement. I think there is a lot to be said however for small local businesses vs big donors swinging their c*cks around. Two Men and a Garden no doubt saw a big ROI on this Fred Thatch deal. It was a straight trade deal and on good will alone they are at least breaking even. These deals will see profit, the big money NLI aimed at talent will no doubt be a net financial loss for the donor writing the check and I think they are okay with that. There's not much difference between NLI and donating to the AD other than a tax write off. Bills By 40, Adman and RUBillsFan like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 if i won the mega millions.... SLU would have the #1 recruiting class in the nation by noon the next day. i wouldn't expect any return on my investment. BuiltFordBills, Billiken Rich, RUBillsFan and 6 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I am curious as to just what Two Men and a Garden gave Fred that denotes a big ROI. What was the straight trade deal as mentioned? I see these things discussed in the abstract with no clear evidence of what went down. Curious, that’s all. More importantly, I saw NIL as putting money in kids’ pockets for spending change in college. I was educated on the pop per so many Instagram followers some time back but don’t get how free salsa or pickles or chicken tenders or even a Chevy Tahoe equate into the same monetary benefit as straight cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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