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I bet we could broadcast an exhibition on ESPN+. We can put whatever we want on there right?

Barely a blip sadly. Loy-Chi's coverage hasn't improved at all in Chicago, neither has their attendance. Butler and VCU somewhat managed to turn their programs into national brands following their final four turns. Loy-Chi not so much. I think they recieved more coverage nationally than they did locally. I believe SLU would be the similar.

Goodwin wasn't on the 15 man for today's game in Japan. None of the exhibit 10s played though Dotson was dressed.

I think that means that Thames as a backup PG only is just getting mop up minutes. At the 3 or 4 he can be a weapon on defense and in different defensive press situations. It is probably his best hcance at seeing meaningful minutes this season.

Not worried about Dotson. He's a scorer at the rim but he doesn't have what it takes to finish at the NBA level. Can't shoot at all. Not as versatile as JGood. He's competition but lets face it tehir exhibit 10 signings weren't wowing anybody in the first place. Goodwin is better than him. Mintz was not even G League talent so he will sit on the Go Go bench. The more concerning move at least for future Jordan Goodwin NBA playing time is the Go Go trading for Kris Dunn. While offensively he is terrible, Dunn might be the best defensive player alive. He'll get multiple call ups during the season if he stays healthy. Wizards are serious about shoring up a 4th option at PG. It is Goodwin's spot to lose.

Sommerville was a high level scorer borderline NBA prospect. He was the star along with lottery bust Patrick O'Bryant that took a 5th place MVC Bradley team to a sweet sixteen in 05 I think. Pistol would know better but I think Soderberg did recruit him.

Marquette all time is a few games over .500. They have made the tourney 3 times and they have had some good seasons. Marquette soccer historically would be similar to SLU basketball historically. Marquette has a similar record against Georgetown, UConn, and Notre Dame as they do against us. They are 0-11 against Indiana.

When they closed Trinity/Rosary their sports were at ridiculous levels never before seen. Winning multiple state titles across the board. It is a shame. Some of these schools were affordable alternatives for families to keep kids out of mismanaged public districts.

In the Ramey league there are at least 3 guards with the last name Williams that are maybe not D-1 but college level players.

He made over 100k last season.

Once the Wizards training camp is over, or maybe before, they will sign someone to a 2 way contract. Then if that isn't Goodwin he will be released. Then they can sign him back to their G League team, but he could also sign with another team as a 2 way player or on another team's G league team. His exhibit 10 does give him an incentive to stay with the Wizards G league team as even if he does get released he would get a bonus by staying with their G League. If he signed with another G League team he would not get that bonus.

He's shot lights out at Ramey.

Looks like we won't know a decision on the Wizards 2 way spot much before the stat of the season. Wizards start preseason play on Saturday. Tune in at 5 AM, they are playing Golden St in Japan. Wizards play 2 games against the Warriors in Japan and then have a game against Charlotte & the Knicks. For reference there are several other teams that also have an open two way spot. If Goodwin is released one of these teams could sign him to a 2 way instead of him going to the Wizards G League Affiliate. Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Indiana, Clippers, Portland, & Utah. Hopefully Goodwin gets some run in the Charlotte game in case they have interest. He could be going up against an old nemesis in Jalen Crutcher who is on an exhibit 10 contract with the Hornets.

While I love big men, this is a guard league and we are deep in guards. I also think there are a couple newcomer bigs who will be very good. Top 3 big in the league this season does not necessarily equal a top 20 player.

I liked the pod but I thought they were too high on Holmes. These guys do have biases, there is a big dayton & UMass bias there. I think too they rated a lot of players high who just happen to be the best player on a bad team instead of multiple good players on good teams. They did make a good point that if you have 4 top 20 guys you should run away with the league. They also made a point that last year they had really bad picks. Let's not overrate Okoro. He is a nice offensive traditional big. His athleticism is not great. His rim protection is not elite. He guards the post well. He can't pass or dribble. Or shoot from outside of 10-12 feet. Frankly I think we have 3 top 7 players in the league in Jimerson, Perkins, and Collins. Then we have Okoro, Thatch, & Pickett who are all in the top 40-50. Not too bad.

The Suns are never leaving Phoenix. Huge history there, rabid fanbase, and tons of big money investors lining up to buy the team. Sarver has been a terrible owner, always playing it cheap. St. Louis' best shot at an NBA franchise are small market teams like Memphis, New Orleans, Sacramento & Minnesota. The Pelicans lease is up in 2 years. They are the most likely team to move and that should start to shake out once the expansion teams are all set. Still St. Louis is a distant 3rd at best. Assuming Seattle & Las Vegas get the expansion teams which should be announced soon that leaves Kansas City and Louisville as the strongest markets making an NBA push that have real financial backing.

I believe G league experience also counts toward a two way contract.

Players with less than 4 years of experience are eligible for 2 way contracts. You can only get a 2 way contract twice. So Goodwin still has two 2 way contracts possible for his career.

Most players as good as Goodwin are pulling in 250k-500k overseas. In Europe and Asia most of the salaries are tax free, not taxed in Europe or the US. So Goodwin could make more money but he has a chance to make way more on a minimum nba salary.

There still aren't many NBA fans on the site so I figured I'd write something up about the Wizards and Goodwin's chances of making the NBA again. Goodwin signed an exhibit 10 contract with the Washington Wizards. What is an Exhibit 10 Contract? An Exhibit 10 contract is a one year non guaranteed minimum contract which gives an NBA team 2 options. They can turn the contract into a 2 way contract, or they can release the player but designate him an affiliate player for their G league team. The player would be then awarded a bonus up to 50k if he stays with the G League affiliate for 60 days. So an Exhibit 10 contract allows teams to build their G League teams and entice players to stay in the G league with bonus money instead of going overseas for a higher salary. Salary in the G League is about 26k, so a 50k bonus is pretty lucrative to a player who doesn’t want to go overseas. What is a 2 Way Contract? Teams can have 2 players on their roster signed to 2 way contracts, and are granted extra roster spots for them, so a team can have 17 roster positions instead of 15. Player on 2 way contracts receive 75k per year while on the G League roster and can spend up to 45 days a season with an NBA team. While with the NBA team the player is paid the NBA minimum salary by the day, so if the player spends the max amount with an NBA team they can make around 200k per year. While not an ideal situation for all athletes this is the next step for players on an Exhibit 10 Contract. Wizards Roster Composition PG - Monte Morris (Acquired in Trade) PG/SG Delon Wright (Free Agent Signee) PG/SG - Jordan Goodwin (Exhibit 10) PG/SG - Davion Mintz (Exhibit 10) PG/SG - Quenton Jackson (Exhibit 10 Contract) SG - Bradley Beal SG - Corey Kispert SG - Johnny Davis (2022 1st Round Pick) SG - Jordan Schakel (2 Way Contract) SG/SF - Dani Avdija SG/SF - Will Barton (Acquired In Trade) SF - Kyle Kuzma SF/PF - Rui Hachimura PF - Isaiah Todd PF - Anthony Gill PF/C - Daniel Gafford C - Kristaps Porzingis C - Vernon Carey C - Taj Gibson (Free Agent) C - Makur Maker (Exhibit 10) Roster Outlook The Wizards roster is set with 15 players under contract. Their big move in the offseason was acquiring Monte Morris & Will Barton from the Denver Nuggets in exchange for Kentavious Caldwell Pope & Ish Smith. They also signed Delon Wright & Taj Gibson in Free Agency. The Wizards will be led by a hopeful big 3 of Bradley Beal, Kyle Kuzma & Kristaps Porzingis. Beal has solidified himself as a top 20 NBA player and perennial All Star. Kuzma has become a smooth 3 man and Porzingis when healthy can affect the game on both ends with his shooting, passing, and shot blocking. These are all big IFs, Beal could still be moved, Kuzma has never been consistent and Porzingis is always hurt and has performed poorly when he isn’t the top option on the team. In the frontcourt the Wizards will look for Rui Hachimura to take a leap as their PF. They have tried to shore up their interior toughness, defense and rebounding with teh signing of an aging Taj Gibson. Daniel Gafford provides energy off the bench at the 4 & 5.Isaiah Todd, Vernon Carey & Anthony Gill will be deep options off the bench at the 4 & 5. In the backcourt Beal will hold down the 2 spot with recent draft picks Corey Kispert & Johnny Davis competing for backup minutes. Kispert is poised for a breakout season while Davis had a disappointing summer league. Kispert may see some time at the 3 as well. At the wing Will Barton will be a nice utility player who can do everything pretty well. He can play any guard spot and is a solid playmaker. Dani Avigda had a standout performance in Euro play this summer and is the best perimeter defender on the team. Kuzma will hold down this position but with all the versatility in the backcourt the Wizards may go small a lot and play him at the 4. The Wizards have several options at PG. Monte Morris was the point guard for the Nuggets, though he was always a secondary playmaker to Jokic. He shoots well and is efficient with few TOs. It remains to be seen how he operates without the greatest big man passer in history. Wright will back him up, he was seen as a steal in FA, he’s never played a lot but has good analytics and again doesn’t turn the ball over. Expect to see Barton play his fair share at the 1 as well. 2 way player Jordan Schakel is another combo guard who can fill in at the PG but is mostly a specialty outside shooter. The Wizards hope for a playoff berth this season but with their logjam in the perimeter they may make a move to consolidate some of the players. Kispert, Hachimura, Avdija are possibilities for trades if they underperform or just can’t get into the rotation. The addition of Morris, Barton, & Wright will bolster their playmaking and lower TOs. Defense is still a big question mark though. Wright, Avdija, Gafford are the strongest defenders but they are all buried on the depth chart. The Wizards top 8 only has Gibson as an elite defender and at his age he can’t anchor a defense. Rebounding will once again be a problem. Even Gibson has never been known as a strong rebounder. Goodwin’s Fit Goodwin is in a similar situation as last season. His skill set brings some things to the table for the Wizards. If on the roster he would be their strongest defender at the 1 or 2 and maybe the best rebounder on the team as well. He proved in the G league that he can shoot well enough to keep defenses honest and his athleticism holds up at this level. His direct competitors for the 2 way contract are Quenton Jackson - 5th year PG/SG out of Texas A&M. A high level scorer. He finishes at the rim and at the line. Not a great 3 point shooter. Was a PG on A&M but projects as a combo guard at the next level. Was a projected late 2nd rounder who fell out of the draft. Not a star defensively bit more than adequate. Will be Goodwin’s biggest challenger. At 6’5 he has + size for his position. Davion Mintz - 6th year PG out of UK by way of Creighton. Mintz is an all around player with no outsize skills. His shooting is his best attribute. He is only an average PG as far as passing and handling goes. His defense is not NBA level and he was known to float through games without much of a motor. Looks like G League fodder and not much of a contender to make the team. Makur Maker - 6’11 big who play for the Sydney Kings after spending his freshman year at Howard mostly injured. Polished low post moves and a good mid range shooter, he is a traditional big man. Doesn’t have 3 point range. Solid rebounder but needs more effort on defense and is not a good shot blocker. He has the most NBA potential of the 3 Exhibit 10 signees but his skillset and position aren’t in demand around the league. I think competition will be high for this spot. Jackson and Maker are real talents and both could fit in on an NBA roster. Also most teams end up filling one of the 2 way contracts with FAs let go by other teams that they identified in the draft or summer league, although the Wizards have not done much of this in the past. Several factors line up in Goodwin’s favor. The Wizards brought him back for a 2nd Exhibit 10 contract. This does not happen often. Makes me think the Wizards favor Goodwin in a role on this team. Goodwin’s skill set continues to fit in with the team more than his competition. The Wizards love combo guards along with backcourt players who can play guard multiple positions to make up for the poor defense of Kuzma and Beal on the outside. Goodwin could easily plug in to the role of Morris, Wright or Barton ie a primary ballhandler who can guard all the 3 wing positions. Goodwin also addresses multiple team needs. The Wizards still will struggle on the boards, a strength of Goodwin’s and they lack perimeter defenders, really only Wright & Avdija are + defenders on the wing. The rest of the roster on the outside is really bad defensively. In conclusion the Wizards spent all of last season evaluating Goodwin at the G League and NBA level. He proved himself as a high level performer. Bringing him back on another Exhibit 10 shows they believe he can contribute on the NBA level for them. He should go into camp as the clear favorite to win a 2 way player contract. Wizards camp starts September 24th.

Steve Nash agrees.

He had at least 3 dunks. One was on somebody's head. Around the team its no secret he is a very good dunker in practice. Expect over 20 dunks by Gibson this season.

Goodwin has signed another Exhibit 10 contract. Will get another training camp invite.

Preferred walk on just means they are guaranteed a roster spot. They still recieve no aid and can't do most activities that scholarship athletes do or they must pay extra for them.

Makes perfect sense. Miller's teams do just enough to keep his job.