ARon Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 19 minutes ago, cheeseman said: For those of you who think Ford would have won that game last night by 15 let me leave you with just one reminder - SIUE. I think he would have lost last night with the team not seemly having their head in the game. I am just going to watch it develop. Completely agree. Ford had plenty of games where his team came out clearly not ready or willing to play or compete. That being said, seeing that twice in the first five games under CJS isn't great either. Best to watch the team grow into what will hopefully be a competitive team next year. I don't want to give up on this year already. But I also can't think of any examples of defense this poor getting worked out mid-season. Quote
gobillsgo Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 2 hours ago, dlarry said: And now we play the after game “wait for the injury report to come out.” https://x.com/studurando/status/1863777608422285596?s=46&t=aizvVpFeSBKPBwx2KFRNvQ I can say with near certainty he will miss games. Just how it goes for this program for whatever reason. If Thames can’t start, and Mccottrey can’t go, I guess Kobe is into the starting lineup? I get that he’s in there for defense, but when the other four guys can’t defend a lick, it kind of defeats the purpose of having one guy play great defense. Instead you’ve just got a guy averaging 1 ppg and shooting 22% in 18mpg in there stopping up the offense. Not trying to put everything on Kobe, the whole team has been meh. But just doesn’t seem like he fits the roster. Hope he proves me wrong. Quote
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 21 minutes ago, Billikenbooster said: I was wondering what was up with those pants! Wild Payne Stewart and Robby Krieger would both call it fashion Quote
Cowboy II Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 -I've seen McCottry with a brace or something that he messes with in prior games so it is possible this is not new -after the game CJS didn't bemoan the FT%, that was interesting -JState defended and played hard and had a very good shooting night against us, teams having very good shooting nights against us won't work and neither will letting teams have wide open looks from 3, our defense was scrambling so much it was dizzying -I don't believe we fouled a 3pt shooter (no need to mention when our 3pt shooter got fouled all 3 were missed) -BAB, work a miracle out there Quote
Billikenbooster Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 I was impressed with LH defense last year, but believe he has regressed there. He is susceptible to quick guards, IMHO. The short white sub guard that came in and popped 2 quick 3’s I believe was his man. Quote
ARon Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 24 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: I can say with near certainty he will miss games. Just how it goes for this program for whatever reason. As of last night at least, Stu reported there was no new injury for AM and his lack of minutes in the second half was a coach's decision. Quote
gobillsgo Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 8 minutes ago, ARon said: As of last night at least, Stu reported there was no new injury for AM and his lack of minutes in the second half was a coach's decision. Yeah I saw that, wonder why the knee brace? Quote
HoosierPal Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 22 minutes ago, Billikenbooster said: I was impressed with LH defense last year, but believe he has regressed there. He is susceptible to quick guards, IMHO. The short white sub guard that came in and popped 2 quick 3’s I believe was his man. Not commenting on anyone's defense, but the Bills switch on the majority of every screen/pick around the arc. Figuring out 'whose man it was' isn't always obvious. You have to watch the full play as it develops to figure out if someone missed an assignment. billikenbill 1 Quote
gabriel Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 1 hour ago, gobillsgo said: I can say with near certainty he will miss games. Just how it goes for this program for whatever reason. If Thames can’t start, and Mccottrey can’t go, I guess Kobe is into the starting lineup? I get that he’s in there for defense, but when the other four guys can’t defend a lick, it kind of defeats the purpose of having one guy play great defense. Instead you’ve just got a guy averaging 1 ppg and shooting 22% in 18mpg in there stopping up the offense. Not trying to put everything on Kobe, the whole team has been meh. But just doesn’t seem like he fits the roster. Hope he proves me wrong. Schertz said in the post game press conference that he isn't hurt. dlarry 1 Quote
WVBilliken Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 I think many on this board need to chill. I am not happy with the team so far but realize we are only 7 games into the schedule. Player injuries have hurt the team's development, but think Schertz will adjust and continue developing this team. I still hope Casey is a factor. I think another athletic big could do wonders for the team's defense. MusicCityBilliken and gabriel 2 Quote
gabriel Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 Maybe I'm buying too much into the coach speak, but I couldn't have more faith in Josh Schertz. The guy is an absolute basketball savant and is constantly learning and evolving. Just from the eye-test, the brand of basketball is so much prettier than it was any year under Ford. Players are constantly moving off the ball and the ball is moving fast. Robbie has been a shell of himself due to injury but he has shown flashes of greatness and I think more of those will come as he gets healthy. Watching the chemistry of Robbie and Swope in the 2 man game is special, they absolutely took over the end of the game last night as well as the game vs Umass Lowell. It is starting to come evident that Gibson is starting to build that chemistry with the two of them as well game by game. I think as the year progresses and we slowly get that chemistry built across the board, we will be an extremely dangerous team by the end of the year. There will be some road bumps along the way, but I trust Schertz and am willing to give him time to build his program. There's a reason that virtually every job opening went after Schertz last year and that he was able to build probably the best mid major team in the country at Indiana State. CenHudDude, mrjoelabs and RiseOfTheBillikens 2 1 Quote
cheeseman Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 2 hours ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said: That word went out the door with NIL. I'm so f*cking cynical lol. My term "develop" referred to this year only Quote
mrjoelabs Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 15 minutes ago, gabriel said: Maybe I'm buying too much into the coach speak, but I couldn't have more faith in Josh Schertz. The guy is an absolute basketball savant and is constantly learning and evolving. Just from the eye-test, the brand of basketball is so much prettier than it was any year under Ford. Players are constantly moving off the ball and the ball is moving fast. Robbie has been a shell of himself due to injury but he has shown flashes of greatness and I think more of those will come as he gets healthy. Watching the chemistry of Robbie and Swope in the 2 man game is special, they absolutely took over the end of the game last night as well as the game vs Umass Lowell. It is starting to come evident that Gibson is starting to build that chemistry with the two of them as well game by game. I think as the year progresses and we slowly get that chemistry built across the board, we will be an extremely dangerous team by the end of the year. There will be some road bumps along the way, but I trust Schertz and am willing to give him time to build his program. There's a reason that virtually every job opening went after Schertz last year and that he was able to build probably the best mid major team in the country at Indiana State. Where in the world would come up with this? Sure the offense is pretty, but this team plays no defense whatsoever and is scuffling in buy games. The A10 heavyweights will have their way with this group unless Schertz changes his ways David King 1 Quote
jonny karate Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 13 hours ago, thunderdan said: That Anya airball And at the worse possible time Quote
billiken_roy Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 people that were expecting an immediate final four team were being unrealistic. schertz told everyone before the season started that getting the team to jell and play like a team was going to be the biggest challenge. i believe that is what we are going through. we only have two losses and while disappointing, losing to santa clara and witchita state are not losses to be declaring the sky is falling. billikens in the past have had much worse early season losses. think about marquee perry's senior season, we had so many bad losses in early season. by season end we went on a winning streak and even beat (i think they were 2nd in the nation) louisville with a fantastic last few seconds. my point is i am not ready to declare the season a fail. lets let it play out and people just need to come out and have fun watching the team develop. cheeseman, gabriel, Billiken Rich and 1 other 4 Quote
Old guy Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 As the Wiz keeps on saying, until 8 games have been played, the numbers and statistics are not reliable. Teams have to learn to play as a team and injuries can change win/loss probabilities. From my point of view, we are not there yet. I think we are a good team that is learning to play as a team. The only thing that can be said about the Bills at this time is that we will probably need to win the A10 tournament to go to the Dance this year. Just going to the Dance should be our primary goal. At this time there is no point thinking that we will reach sweet sixteen or above. Quote
Billfan7 Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 3 hours ago, gobillsgo said: Yeah I saw that, wonder why the knee brace? I sit right near the bench and a lot of players use Hyperice Knee which looks like a knee brace but is really just a way to apply ice to the knee https://hyperice.com/products/hyperice-knee/ VeniceMenace and Box and Won 2 Quote
ACE Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 1 hour ago, billiken_roy said: people that were expecting an immediate final four team were being unrealistic. schertz told everyone before the season started that getting the team to jell and play like a team was going to be the biggest challenge. i believe that is what we are going through. we only have two losses and while disappointing, losing to santa clara and witchita state are not losses to be declaring the sky is falling. billikens in the past have had much worse early season losses. think about marquee perry's senior season, we had so many bad losses in early season. by season end we went on a winning streak and even beat (i think they were 2nd in the nation) louisville with a fantastic last few seconds. my point is i am not ready to declare the season a fail. lets let it play out and people just need to come out and have fun watching the team develop. The only thing that really matters is are we healthy and peaking heading into March - everything else is just practice and preparation in the lead up to the conference tournament. And that's basically the way it is for almost every non-P6 team. billiken_roy 1 Quote
papal Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 would not recommend the hyperice to Thames with his leg cramps Quote
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 2 hours ago, billiken_roy said: people that were expecting an immediate final four team were being unrealistic. schertz told everyone before the season started that getting the team to jell and play like a team was going to be the biggest challenge. i believe that is what we are going through. we only have two losses and while disappointing, losing to santa clara and witchita state are not losses to be declaring the sky is falling. billikens in the past have had much worse early season losses. think about marquee perry's senior season, we had so many bad losses in early season. by season end we went on a winning streak and even beat (i think they were 2nd in the nation) louisville with a fantastic last few seconds. my point is i am not ready to declare the season a fail. lets let it play out and people just need to come out and have fun watching the team develop. Immediate final four team? I just wanted a team that was better.... Or one that could compete with actual bball programs. I'll give them time though. But to be honest it feels like we don't have the guys we need. 0 bigs. Quote
Crewsorlose Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 To me the only indictment of Schertz is the lack of depth he built. Start with the core of Robbie, Jimerson, Thames, and Swope. That's 4 of your top 8. Then you need 4 more, with the idea that your 9th and 10th men will be injury depth but should be quality enough to make the top 8. You're picking from Nine guys: Anya (Ivy League starter), Casey (4* recruit), Dotzler (high 3*), Johnson (5th year senior), Hughes, Brockhoff (post depth), and the three frosh (McCotry, Warlick, Pikkar). The only two who've popped have been Anya and McCottry, although Schertz's trust in Amari seems game to game. No intention to give Brockhoff even a sniff in the last two games, nothing for Pikkar, dwindling confidence in Hughes. Is Casey injured, hobbled, hurt? The Dotzler injury is bad, but in the context of a Hughes regression and the realization that Johnson is extremely limited, it seems like a killer. gabriel, Zink and MusicCityBilliken 3 Quote
ACE Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 30 minutes ago, Crewsorlose said: To me the only indictment of Schertz is the lack of depth he built. Start with the core of Robbie, Jimerson, Thames, and Swope. That's 4 of your top 8. Then you need 4 more, with the idea that your 9th and 10th men will be injury depth but should be quality enough to make the top 8. You're picking from Nine guys: Anya (Ivy League starter), Casey (4* recruit), Dotzler (high 3*), Johnson (5th year senior), Hughes, Brockhoff (post depth), and the three frosh (McCotry, Warlick, Pikkar). The only two who've popped have been Anya and McCottry, although Schertz's trust in Amari seems game to game. No intention to give Brockhoff even a sniff in the last two games, nothing for Pikkar, dwindling confidence in Hughes. Is Casey injured, hobbled, hurt? The Dotzler injury is bad, but in the context of a Hughes regression and the realization that Johnson is extremely limited, it seems like a killer. The trio of Gibbby, Robbie and Swope are not good defenders or rebounders... that's what we need an awful lot of from Anya, Thames, McCottry and Johnson to round out the lineup. Crewsorlose 1 Quote
willie Posted December 3, 2024 Posted December 3, 2024 47 minutes ago, Crewsorlose said: To me the only indictment of Schertz is the lack of depth he built. Start with the core of Robbie, Jimerson, Thames, and Swope. That's 4 of your top 8. Then you need 4 more, with the idea that your 9th and 10th men will be injury depth but should be quality enough to make the top 8. You're picking from Nine guys: Anya (Ivy League starter), Casey (4* recruit), Dotzler (high 3*), Johnson (5th year senior), Hughes, Brockhoff (post depth), and the three frosh (McCotry, Warlick, Pikkar). The only two who've popped have been Anya and McCottry, although Schertz's trust in Amari seems game to game. No intention to give Brockhoff even a sniff in the last two games, nothing for Pikkar, dwindling confidence in Hughes. Is Casey injured, hobbled, hurt? The Dotzler injury is bad, but in the context of a Hughes regression and the realization that Johnson is extremely limited, it seems like a killer. It takes a lot of NIL money to build the roster you want. billiken_roy 1 Quote
Dr. Holly Hills Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 I fear we don’t have the horses to really contend this year. Our big 3 aren’t good defenders. The others aren’t good scorers. The other A10 usual suspects have already played ranked opponents and been in some dog fights. Meanwhile we’ve been pillow fighting with terrible teams. Box and Won, gobillsgo and billikenbill 3 Quote
gobillsgo Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 8 hours ago, Dr. Holly Hills said: I fear we don’t have the horses to really contend this year. Our big 3 aren’t good defenders. The others aren’t good scorers. The other A10 usual suspects have already played ranked opponents and been in some dog fights. Meanwhile we’ve been pillow fighting with terrible teams. This is where I’m at. I don’t think we will ever be able to get enough stops against good teams to get any real separation. And god forbid we ever have an off night offensively (see first half Jackson St), we are cooked. We will probably beat a few good teams in some shootouts, but I fear we will lose a few we didn’t expect to. Crewsorlose 1 Quote
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