CBFan Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Thank you Freddy P and crew for needlessly dragging this out and making my trip from Cedar Hill to Chaifetz a total buzz kill today. I will really enjoy walking from the parking garage in 20 degree temps knowing 8 scholarship players will dress again and struggle offensively. Good job Freddy P and crew for wasting Roby's senior year. MattyMo213, BillIkenFan_Dan and NextYearBill like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 The underlying problem is that the administration could care less about the athletic program. NextYearBill likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: @Taj79, I think the difference in the Minnesota case is that the accuser was not a student at Minnesota. Thus there was no imminent danger or inconvenience to the accuser for the accused to remain active in campus activities. If that’s the case, do cheerleaders accompany the team to road games? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, Bobby Metzinger said: If that’s the case, do cheerleaders accompany the team to road games? Asking for a friend. I addressed that in an earlier post. Hope you don't think I'm supporting the university's actions, because they're indefensible. They goofed, and it appears their initial intent was to apply preemptive punishment to the players prior to the investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Pretty sure the cheergirls were in NYC. Wonder if they all flew on the same plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, slu72 said: Pretty sure the cheergirls were in NYC. Wonder if they all flew on the same plane. They probably took the train. NextYearBill and dlarry like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 I think the last time they rode the train was in late September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, JMM28 said: They probably took the train. That's what got them in this mess to begin with. TFord and TRavs likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, JMM28 said: They probably took the train. Good stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 48 minutes ago, slu72 said: Pretty sure the cheergirls were in NYC. Wonder if they all flew on the same plane. they were on my early morning delta flight... no players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMo213 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, JMM28 said: They probably took the train. They flew but only like 4 went Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 18 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: Victims should not be suspended. Had the boys accused the girls, then maybe a different. Come on Clock, who in his/her right mind would buy it if the three guys had shown up at the ER claiming these women had raped them, under the influence of alcohol and without their consent, and bewailing the fact that a VIDEO had been made? There would have been at least a couple of cops falling on the floor laughing at the story. Be real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Times are changing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Old man. There is a difference between criminal 18 minutes ago, Old guy said: Come on Clock, who in his/her right mind would buy it if the three guys had shown up at the ER claiming these women had raped them, under the influence of alcohol and without their consent, and bewailing the fact that a VIDEO had been made? There would have been at least a couple of cops falling on the floor laughing at the story. Be real. Old man. There is a difference between criminal rape charges at the police station with the real criminal justice system and SLU’s code of conduct laws with Kratky’s office. Do you not understand the difference? I do. And yes, I would counsel all men who claim consensual sex to file counter charges against the women for violations of their Title IX rights and demand the women be kicked off campus or at least away from them. Had the boys done this, they likely would be playing and their names not tarnished. HenryB and CBFan like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, Clock_Tower said: Old man. There is a difference between criminal Old man. There is a difference between criminal rape charges at the police station with the real criminal justice system and SLU’s code of conduct laws with Kratky’s office. Do you not understand the difference? I do. And yes, I would counsel all men who claim consensual sex to file counter charges against the women for violations of their Title IX rights and demand the women be kicked off campus or at least away from them. Had the boys done this, they likely would be playing and their names not tarnished. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjoelabs Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I think as a few people mentioned the problem at this point is we all have been too passive. There is no media coverage, social media interest or pressure of any kind on SLU to resolve this. If the girls involved are white which is widely believed, this is a perfect hot button race issue for Black Lives Matter, Nancy Grace...etc..all kinds of groups and people that can start stuff. Lets get the word out...Call Elliot Davis and have him interview Freddy P. If this story blows up about how 3 young black men who have been charged with nothing are being treated, it can be resolved real fast if SLU feels the heat. Bobby Metzinger likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 12 hours ago, Clock_Tower said: Old man. There is a difference between criminal rape charges at the police station with the real criminal justice system and SLU’s code of conduct laws with Kratky’s office. Do you not understand the difference? I do. And yes, I would counsel all men who claim consensual sex to file counter charges against the women for violations of their Title IX rights and demand the women be kicked off campus or at least away from them. Had the boys done this, they likely would be playing and their names not tarnished. Well said Clock, the factor you do not seem (or do not want) to understand is that when you go head on pressing the idea of getting the women out of the court so that the players can play by "counseling the players to file counter charges against the women for violations of their Title IX rights" (your statement was slightly modified from all men.. to players), you are in fact adding layers of complexity and delay to the resolution of this case. At the speed this process is going, just dealing with the counter charges and the conflicts and appeals that will result from the counter charges is likely to add a lot more complexity and require a lot more time to process before they finally resolve S2. The way the processing is going and considering your often stated desire for an expedient resolution of the issue, isn't this idea of having the players filing counter charges likely to produce just the opposite result to what you really want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilkowsky Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 10 hours ago, mrjoelabs said: I think as a few people mentioned the problem at this point is we all have been too passive. There is no media coverage, social media interest or pressure of any kind on SLU to resolve this. If the girls involved are white which is widely believed, this is a perfect hot button race issue for Black Lives Matter, Nancy Grace...etc..all kinds of groups and people that can start stuff. Lets get the word out...Call Elliot Davis and have him interview Freddy P. If this story blows up about how 3 young black men who have been charged with nothing are being treated, it can be resolved real fast if SLU feels the heat. Nancy Grace? She is still on television? Aligning with BLM? That is going to win hearts and minds? i doubt Freddy P ever gives an interview on this situation. As it should be. No one has posted anything from Title IX bylaws that say fans should be kept in the loop. Before this situation how many people even cared about Titke IX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Old guy said: Well said Clock, the factor you do not seem (or do not want) to understand is that when you go head on pressing the idea of getting the women out of the court so that the players can play by "counseling the players to file counter charges against the women for violations of their Title IX rights" (your statemkent was slightly modified from all men.. to players), you are in fact adding layers of complexity and delay to the resolution of this . At the speed this process is going, just dealing with the counter charges and the conflicts and appeals that will result from the counter charges is likely to add a lot more complexity and require a lot more time to process before they finally resolve S2. The way the processing is going and considering your often stated desire for an expedient resolution of the issue, isn't this idea of having the players filing counter charges likely to produce just the opposite result to what you really want? Yes and no. Clearly the players chose not to file counter claims of Title IX violations and, by some accounts of posters likely in the know, chose the self imposed ban on games presumably after receiving initial feedback. At the end of the day, the boys are not playing games and our team is losing /suffering just like under S1; however, I would suggest that KM would have preferred the current player’s game ban and being able to stay in school, go to class, practice, travel etc. I have to believe the boys chose the path they did bc they were told, or lead to believe, the process would be quick - and it hasn’t . Maybe the boys thought truth and being cooperative would help them. Maybe they trusted the process and timelines. Maybe they underestimated the resistance and the fight of the accusers. 400 exhibits? This has not turned into an impartial person talking to each side, watching the video and making a decision. What were the boys told? In hindsight, I suggest the wrong decision and chose the wrong tactics. dlarry likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Where do we believe we are in the investigation now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Not close to a decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 If the players don’t play at all this year, is there any precedent to some sort of waiver which would allow them to get an extra year of eligibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, NH said: If the players don’t play at all this year, is there any precedent to some sort of waiver which would allow them to get an extra year of eligibility? i do not think so. i would be shocked if the ncaa would "reward" players over academia powers. it is my opinion our three players have just lost a year at least if not more. i no longer hold out any hope for positive news and believe we will be bent over by krafty and pesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyser soze Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, NH said: If the players don’t play at all this year, is there any precedent to some sort of waiver which would allow them to get an extra year of eligibility? Yes, the NCAA has granted a 5th year in title 9 investigations where the student athlete was eventually cleared. Most recent was UNC football player. Buster likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniorbill76 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Billboy1 said: Not close to a decision It seems to me they made a decision before the first game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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