gobillsgo Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, cheeseman said: I thought someone had previously confirmed that the entire team lives off campus - so why would Graves be moving on campus now? DONT TAKE HOPE AWAY FROM ME MAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, cheeseman said: I thought someone had previously confirmed that the entire team lives off campus - so why would Graves be moving on campus now? Yes, the entire team was moved off campus. I was told it was due to threats against the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Cowboy said: -he said there were meetings about the situation that he attended That adds up with reports that the first meetings with the hearing officer were last Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Yes, the entire team was moved off campus. I was told it was due to threats against the team. So maybe now they got the go ahead to move back to campus? Just speculating really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: So maybe now they got the go ahead to move back to campus? Just speculating really If players are moving back to campus, that would seem to be a big tell that the initial ruling is pretty favorable to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, brianstl said: If players are moving back to campus, that would seem to be a big tell that the initial ruling is pretty favorable to the players. It certainly runs contrary to a ruling of suspension or expulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kenneth Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, davidnark said: It certainly runs contrary to a ruling of suspension or expulsion. But this is the SLU administration we're talking about. They are capable of anything...illogical behavior the norm. As a result, I'm not holding my breath until a final verdict is rendered and communicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 11 hours ago, Cowboy said: -I heard a gentleman at the Richmond game who said he was Ty Graves father give some interesting information about S2, he said there was a cheerleader involved who was at the game Sat night cheering, said everything was consensual, said the text messages between the women was part of the reason no criminal charges will be brought, said the women bought the condoms, said the women put the condoms on the guys, said there was a fourth person (player) and he has no idea why this person is playing and his son isn't, said the video was thought to have been posted to a private site but mistakenly it was a public site, Ty was moved back into SLU housing in the last few days, said the players were taken by police car from the campus every day to their living quarters, the hearing officer is a white woman, DrP is doing nothing, CMay is trying, the U administration has totally botched this, he said one of the women wants nothing more to do the investigation and is not able to be found since the semester ended , said in the next few days there should be a decision Holy shyt Batman (Cowboy) real info!!! If all true and boyz are back on court with no charges it will be hard for the powers that be to justify how long it took. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, almaman said: Holy shyt Batman (Cowboy) real info!!! If all true and boyz are back on court with no charges it will be hard for the powers that be to justify how long it took. Actually if this is the outcome it would let the school say we had to do a thorough investigation to ensure that when a decision came down it could be defensible either way - takes time. The problem with spin is it goes both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFord and TRavs Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Well none of the players have transferred which would seem like the case if they were guilty. I heard a majority of the pressure was from the sororities where the screenshots and tweets were being passed around. I also heard from my source in athletics that there was substantial amount of evidence in the players defense which leads me to believe that the statement from Graves dad is correct. I have hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Lax Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 23 minutes ago, cheeseman said: Actually if this is the outcome it would let the school say we had to do a thorough investigation to ensure that when a decision came down it could be defensible either way - takes time. The problem with spin is it goes both ways. If they are found innocent/not punished, it does NOT in any way change the fact that the school punished someone that their own protracted investigation could not find ample evidence to punish. It looks awful that things were drawn out and spinning it could make the school look worse. The spin could evolve into "since the allegations were really serious, we made sure to punish the players (and then extend that punishment as long as possible) regardless of outcome to let people know how serious the allegations are". That will play as well as the Kratky Title IX story in the Post about the kid who got expelled and then it was overturned when the girl with the overnight bag stayed at his apartment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, SLU_Lax said: If they are found innocent/not punished, it does NOT in any way change the fact that the school punished someone that their own protracted investigation could not find ample evidence to punish. It looks awful that things were drawn out and spinning it could make the school look worse. The spin could evolve into "since the allegations were really serious, we made sure to punish the players (and then extend that punishment as long as possible) regardless of outcome to let people know how serious the allegations are". That will play as well as the Kratky Title IX story in the Post about the kid who got expelled and then it was overturned when the girl with the overnight bag stayed at his apartment. im going to be pissed if no one is canned, or suspended if the players come out of this whole thing innocent. Unfortunately, I'll probably be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, wgstl said: im going to be pissed if no one is canned, or suspended if the players come out of this whole thing innocent. Unfortunately, I'll probably be pissed. They could always level a punishment that is the equivalent of time served. That way nobody was "innocent" and all parties are incentivized to just move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Apparently anyone can send a private direct message to Pestello on twitter if you would like to get in touch with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
615Billiken Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 hours ago, slufan13 said: Apparently anyone can send a private direct message to Pestello on twitter if you would like to get in touch with him I believe this song is relevant to S2 for multiple reason. Potential 2017-2018 Billiken season anthem? NSFW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMo213 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Apparently anyone can send a private direct message to Pestello on twitter if you would like to get in touch with him Oh I’ve tried many times. No luck with responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise_08 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Interesting timing? Let’s not read too much into this, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
615Billiken Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Franchise_08 said: Interesting timing? Let’s not read too much into this, right? Noob question: Is this account officially affiliated with the university? Or is it just a random fan who runs it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, 615Billiken said: Noob question: Is this account officially affiliated with the university? Or is it just a random fan who runs it? Not affiliated with SLU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quality Is Job 1 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, slufan13 said: "The Lord moves in mysterious ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I don't ever know what to make of all this new "info." I wish I could get excited and have a good feeling about this being resolved soon but at This point I'm just kind of numb to the entire thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMo213 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Are we sure the whole team was moved off campus or just the S2 guys? I live in the same apartment complex that the S2 guys were supposedly moved to and with the exception of seeing Foreman one time with AD, Bishop, and Graves, I've only ever seen the S2 players there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMo213 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Okay so upon further inspection of the apartment directory, only Bishop and Graves are listed as residents. No other players, including AD. Probably doesn't mean anything so don't look too far into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 If the players are cleared, SLU can spin this as a teaching moment and emphasize the importance of following the process and fully analyzing the situation. They can also use this to show that allegations will be taken seriously. With that said, if the information from Cowboy's post is what is being dealt with here, the obvious question is why did this take so long? You could've accomplished everything in my above paragraph in much less time. Ive suggested before that if the players are cleared, there should be resignations turned in over the delay in this process. There is one qualifier I'd add, and that is that this should only happen if you can prove there was an unreasonable delay in this process, i.e it can be shown that early on it was determined that the conduct wasn't worthy of disciplinary action, but someone gave a direction to draw this process out, which unfairly prejudiced the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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