Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

[AnkielBreakers]

I only have one real point to make in this situation.  It has probably made it such that I wil never buy season tickets again.  I last purchased season tickets in 2010-2011, almost a week before the public announcement of Situation I, which was several months after the incident. This experience really frustrated me at the time because it seemed like the school had been intentionally hiding the potential infraction.

I almost bought season tickets for this year, believing the team was finally heading back up, and then I hestitated because of my previous experience.  Then, because I now follow this board, I was able hear about the potential suspensions.  I dropped any ticket plans.  

I personally feel like part of the administration’s silence is to prevent a major announcement on suspensions which might inhibit ticket purchasers. I think this is, well, kind of sad.  Certainly, not professional. Hard to feel confident about buying tickets in the future.

[kshoe]

2 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said:

I only have one real point to make in this situation.  It has probably made it such that I wil never buy season tickets again.  I last purchased season tickets in 2010-2011, almost a week before the public announcement of Situation I, which was several months after the incident. This experience really frustrated me at the time because it seemed like the school had been intentionally hiding the potential infraction.

I almost bought season tickets for this year, believing the team was finally heading back up, and then I hestitated because of my previous experience.  Then, because I now follow this board, I was able hear about the potential suspensions.  I dropped any ticket plans.  

I personally feel like part of the administration’s silence is to prevent a major announcement on suspensions which might inhibit ticket purchasers. I think this is, well, kind of sad.  Certainly, not professional. Hard to feel confident about buying tickets in the future.

As cynical as I am regarding the motives of this ridiculous delay, I don’t believe there is any possibility SLU believes the last month of delays is HELPING ticket sales.

[JeffinMH]

3 hours ago, Billiken82 said:

Most the time when the police are called in the middle of the night they respond.  That is their job.  They are neither prosecutor, judge, nor jury.   It’s kind of an implied level of protection expected in America.  What rock did you just crawl out from under?

 

33 minutes ago, WestCoastBilliken said:

I have been following along and from what I can gather, every single person on here seem to be making assumptions outside of players and girls were involved and a video was released on a public forum without consent- anything else seems to be assumptions..... regardless, it doesn't explain how you rationalize releasing a sex tape of someone without their consent on a public website as "kids being kids". Funny you glossed over that response. 

I believe their have been many lawsuits over a private video being released on a public forum... one in particular took down an entire website empire.  

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/115-million-verdict-in-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-lawsuit-could-wipe-out-gawker/

And another lawsuit where 50 cent was ordered to pay $7 million for releasing a sex tape unauthorized:

https://www.vibe.com/2017/01/50-cent-sues-lawyers-rick-ross-32-million-sextape/

Example after example if you want to google. 

Its not a "kids being kids" and anyone under the age of 50 doesnt 'accidentally release a video on a public forum' without intent. If it was me, I would be raising all hell and I think 99% of the posters on here would be as well if it was them or their kids on that video.

Ok, I give up. Absolutely nothing happened that night. Everything is a farce. Maybe lawyers are just running up hours for huge legal bills. Just for that I will run over to the gas station for a Powerball ticket. Most likely I will win on a single ticket the first time I ever played. Yippeee!!!! Once again, I say I hope these guys are cleared.  I just don't think it is very likely given the times we live. I hope I am dead wrong.

[JeffinMH]

7 hours ago, DeSmetBilliken said:

They think an assault took place because in most cases, they've probably made no effort to educate themselves on the situation. In the grand scheme of things, other than the news that an investigation is taking place, there's been nothing worthwhile in the news. Throw in that some of these people probably are quick to conclude that the big, scary, black, tattooed basketball players did something wrong when a white woman is involved, of course they think an assault took place.

The nail is hit on the head! Public perception carries a lot of weight for any university. 

[Quality Is Job 1]

52 minutes ago, WestCoastBilliken said:

I have been following along and from what I can gather, every single person on here seem to be making assumptions outside of players and girls were involved and a video was released on a public forum without consent- anything else seems to be assumptions..... regardless, it doesn't explain how you rationalize releasing a sex tape of someone without their consent on a public website as "kids being kids". Funny you glossed over that response. 

I believe their have been many lawsuits over a private video being released on a public forum... one in particular took down an entire website empire.  

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/115-million-verdict-in-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-lawsuit-could-wipe-out-gawker/

And another lawsuit where 50 cent was ordered to pay $7 million for releasing a sex tape unauthorized:

https://www.vibe.com/2017/01/50-cent-sues-lawyers-rick-ross-32-million-sextape/

Example after example if you want to google. 

Its not a "kids being kids" and anyone under the age of 50 doesnt 'accidentally release a video on a public forum' without intent. If it was me, I would be raising all hell and I think 99% of the posters on here would be as well if it was them or their kids on that video.

Seems like a large assumption, to me.

And I'm not condoning "kids being kids"!

[brianstl]

53 minutes ago, WestCoastBilliken said:

I have been following along and from what I can gather, every single person on here seem to be making assumptions outside of players and girls were involved and a video was released on a public forum without consent- anything else seems to be assumptions..... regardless, it doesn't explain how you rationalize releasing a sex tape of someone without their consent on a public website as "kids being kids". Funny you glossed over that response. 

I believe their have been many lawsuits over a private video being released on a public forum... one in particular took down an entire website empire.  

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/115-million-verdict-in-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-lawsuit-could-wipe-out-gawker/

And another lawsuit where 50 cent was ordered to pay $7 million for releasing a sex tape unauthorized:

https://www.vibe.com/2017/01/50-cent-sues-lawyers-rick-ross-32-million-sextape/

Example after example if you want to google. 

Its not a "kids being kids" and anyone under the age of 50 doesnt 'accidentally release a video on a public forum' without intent. If it was me, I would be raising all hell and I think 99% of the posters on here would be as well if it was them or their kids on that video.

Big differences in  those two cases from what happened here.

Hogan won his case because he didn’t know he was videotaped.

50 lost his case because of the alterations he made to the video defaming the woman.  

[WestCoastBilliken]

17 minutes ago, brianstl said:

Big differences in  those two cases from what happened here.

Hogan won his case because he didn’t know he was videotaped.

50 lost his case because of the alterations he made to the video defaming the woman.  

Point is that if it was you or me on that video (or your kids), we would likely be trying to go for the kill too. 

I hope the players are back soon, but If the allegations that a video was uploaded to a public forum are true then I understand why the girls are going after them. I think some on here are completely glossing over this fact... its not a small thing to upload a sex tape of someone that does not consent. That stuff ruins lives and it cant just be taken down. 

Now what we do not know is where it was uploaded, was it intentional, how long was it on there for, etc... if this was intentional and on a public forum (which I am assuming, since this video being uploaded got back to the girls), then the players need to face consequences. 

[almaman]

<in sharing the video in a place none of them intended>

Speaking of assumptions how does this translate to Pornhub? First off not going to go through this beast of a thread to check but I'm pretty sure that is not something we know. Correct me if I'm wrong but all we know is that some filming and some sharing of such happened. Again maybe I missed something but that could be a text, snapchat, email any of which exposes P.I. them to a lot less of the perceived damage caused by the share. Also one of us morons would of found by now if it was on the Hub.

a scenario; R3 are partying with other male friends and the accused and maybe other females, the 6 split off for the tryst. one of our guys whips out phone and snaps one of the ladies giving a lap dance and sends to one of the guys that were with them earlier and says this is what your missing. by the law just as bad as full fledged Pornhub HD amateur orgy clip shared with millions because  filmed w/o consent etc but to the lay person that's a huge difference.. 

[thetorch]

The video was absolutely not shared on a porn site.  What a ridiculous assertion.

[slufan13]

I don't really care what happened at this point. The report has been final since before Christmas. There's no more investigating to do. Now it's just about making a decision based on the facts you have. There's no excuse for the delay. The administration has f.ucked this up over the past month

[HenryB]

WestCoast - if my daughter was choosing to drink, initiate the activity, go to the boy's dorm, provide the condoms, file a fraudulent police report, and then claim to be a victim, I would be raising hell, too....with her. This phony victim crap is sickening.  And the 4 month stonewalling by the administration is even more reason to raise hell. Want to stop the speculation? Make a decision. Then Fire Fred!

[David King]

8 hours ago, WestCoastBilliken said:

, it doesn't explain how you rationalize releasing a sex tape of someone without their consent on a public website as "kids being kids"

That is a good point. Releasing an unauthorized sex tape is a fairly serious violation of privacy. However, it is unlikely that all 3 players posted the video. The individual that posted the video is probably in a lot more trouble than the other two.

[Box and Won]

8 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said:

I only have one real point to make in this situation.  It has probably made it such that I wil never buy season tickets again.  I last purchased season tickets in 2010-2011, almost a week before the public announcement of Situation I, which was several months after the incident. This experience really frustrated me at the time because it seemed like the school had been intentionally hiding the potential infraction.

I almost bought season tickets for this year, believing the team was finally heading back up, and then I hestitated because of my previous experience.  Then, because I now follow this board, I was able hear about the potential suspensions.  I dropped any ticket plans.  

I think we've isolated the problem.  Apparently whenever AnkielBreakers even THINKS about buying season tickets, something bad happens.  There's no doubt in my mind that correlation equals causation.

[SLU_Lax]

44 minutes ago, David King said:

That is a good point. Releasing an unauthorized sex tape is a fairly serious violation of privacy. However, it is unlikely that all 3 players posted the video. The individual that posted the video is probably in a lot more trouble than the other two.

It is also difficult to prove intent. My understanding is whomever posted the video says they meant to post it privately and not to be open to the public. 

[CBFan]

9 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said:

I only have one real point to make in this situation.  It has probably made it such that I wil never buy season tickets again.  I last purchased season tickets in 2010-2011, almost a week before the public announcement of Situation I, which was several months after the incident. This experience really frustrated me at the time because it seemed like the school had been intentionally hiding the potential infraction.

I almost bought season tickets for this year, believing the team was finally heading back up, and then I hestitated because of my previous experience.  Then, because I now follow this board, I was able hear about the potential suspensions.  I dropped any ticket plans.  

I personally feel like part of the administration’s silence is to prevent a major announcement on suspensions which might inhibit ticket purchasers. I think this is, well, kind of sad.  Certainly, not professional. Hard to feel confident about buying tickets in the future.

I will renew my season tickets for Goodwin, JJ, DJ, French, Bess, Santos, Pearson, Gordon, and Thatch not for Freddy P.

The last thing I want is for any scholarship player, NLI signed recruit, future recruit and coach Ford to think I will not show up because of the administration.

The administration sucks however I will not punish the players or myself.

My better half and I went to Tuesday's game and it was wonderful, Roby 1000 points, JGood a triple double, several fast break points and chants of Free the 3 that was heard.

If you were not there because of the administration you denied yourself of some wonderful Billiken moments.

Hang in there sir, together we can flog the administration and possibly overtime we can win.

There has been a lot of money spent on the basketball team, Chaifetz and the locker rooms and those donors want results from the administration so there is pressure.

Happy Friday.

[CBFan]

11 hours ago, cheeseman said:

Ford is not in a position to jump ship.  He has not polished his resume enough.  He has nothing new to add to it.  My guess is he will stay until he has a year or two of good runs here.  He is making very good money and his daughter just started high school.  He can still recruit - perhaps not here in the same way but outside of the area he can still do well.  I would think in 2-3 years we will be looking for a new coach.

I agree with all of this, well said sir.

Happy Friday

[Clock_Tower]

9 hours ago, JeffinMH said:

The nail is hit on the head! Public perception carries a lot of weight for any university. 

Are people really that dense?

Student opinion against the 3 or that something bad happened (assuming that to be true) is bc they hear a police report was filed, that SLU is investigating and  that the 3 boys are not allowed to play. Suspension = guilt

Had the 3 been allowed to play during investigation, then their good names would not be trashed and student opinion the opposite  

 

 

 

[Littlebill]

51 minutes ago, Box and Won said:

I think we've isolated the problem.  Apparently whenever AnkielBreakers even THINKS about buying season tickets, something bad happens.  There's no doubt in my mind that correlation equals causation.

Was just about to post this. It’s AnkielBreakers fault! Lets kill him!

[slufan13]

Tony taking charge 

 

[slu72]

Maternity leave should not be a legit excuse. It's not like she's working on the loading dock at UPS or handling a Jack Hammer for cripes sake. She has the report, so put the kid down for it's nap, read the friggin' report, and make a GD decision already.

[Cowboy]

-do we know Kratky is the hearing officer? one of the lawyers on the site can confirm this, but I think the U can get in big trouble if they ask an employee to work while on maternity leave

-however, if she is the hearing officer and this delay or any part of the delay is because of her maternity leave there is no excuse for this

-what a colossal blunder this whole thing has turned into

[juniorbill76]

Per Stu's Title IX expert: "The decision is made by a 'hearing officer,' who is an administrator designated by the university. If it goes to an appeal, it is decided by a three-person board appointed by the Title IX coordinator."

If Mama Kratky is the Title IX coordinator is she also the hearing officer, or that someone else?

[kmbilliken]

3 hours ago, slufan13 said:

I don't really care what happened at this point. The report has been final since before Christmas. There's no more investigating to do. Now it's just about making a decision based on the facts you have. There's no excuse for the delay. The administration has f.ucked this up over the past month

I agree. Expel them, suspend them or exonerate them, which ever it is. Just MAKE A DECISION. 

[Pistol]

If she's on maternity leave, then she's not involved in this at all. Someone in her office is handling it. Or not handling it, apparently.

Regardless, I don't think we need to be trashing her personally. Maternity leave isn't a vacation. Probably been a while since some of you old farts have had babies around, but I'm telling you as a parent of a baby, it's a lot of work and you don't bring your job home on maternity leave. The school could get in major trouble if they asked her to work during leave, too.

Go after the administration, school, and Title IX office all you want for dragging their feet to a completely unacceptable degree, but it's pretty low to go after someone on maternity leave.

[LongLiveLisch]

13 minutes ago, slu72 said:

Maternity leave should not be a legit excuse. It's not like she's working on the loading dock at UPS or handling a Jack Hammer for cripes sake. She has the report, so put the kid down for it's nap, read the friggin' report, and make a GD decision already.

That’s not how it works