TaLBErt Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, 615Billiken said: There's a silver lining to all of this. My expectation for the season was that we would be better than at the end of last season, but this wouldn't be our NCAA tournament year. I was expecting to finish between 4th and 6th place in the A10. It appears that we are looking to end in that range. In this sense, the 'suspension' or whatever have not tumbled what I expected from the team this year. Additionally, because we are short, I assume French, Goodwin, and Johnson are getting more minutes than they would have with a full squad. This means that they have more reps and time to develop on the court. Next year, our squad was looking to be even better talent wise, and now we will have even more developed sophomores. Are we? Still don't have anyone who can consistently make a jump shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 46 minutes ago, moytoy12 said: https://twitter.com/studurando/status/935526154500497408 stu durando @studurando FollowingFollowing @studurando Travis Ford on whether he expects a decision soon on Title IX investigation: "I have no idea." And then, "I can't spend a lot of times on things I don't have any control over." that could of been said 60 days ago and I will not be amazed if it can be said 60 days from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, 615Billiken said: There's a silver lining to all of this. My expectation for the season was that we would be better than at the end of last season, but this wouldn't be our NCAA tournament year. I was expecting to finish between 4th and 6th place in the A10. It appears that we are looking to end in that range. In this sense, the 'suspension' or whatever have not tumbled what I expected from the team this year. Additionally, because we are short, I assume French, Goodwin, and Johnson are getting more minutes than they would have with a full squad. This means that they have more reps and time to develop on the court. Next year, our squad was looking to be even better talent wise, and now we will have even more developed sophomores. I don't really buy this all that much. The main player getting extra minutes because of the "situation" players sitting is Hines. He won't be a part of the team next year so his development doesn't matter. French is a forward and the guys sitting are guards. French's minutes are not impacted by the situation in a material way. He is likely getting more PT with Welmer hurt. I guess you could say Goodwin is getting more minutes and maybe Johnson (who a G/F), but I don't know if the 2 guys being back would impact them much. In Goodwin's case a small reduction in minutes might actually benefit him. He is a high energy player and was cramping at the end of the VT game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Edit: I don't actually know if this means anything. I would be nice if this reporter followed up with context. I'm wondering if it is normal for police to "investigate" such an incident for 2+ months or if they even comment on something like this when no one has actually been arrested. I mean I'm not sure what there is to investigate. They know the alleged victims and perpetrators. They've likely already interviewed everyone involved. They've watched / dissected the reported video (if it is as speculated). Any physical evidence would've been collected / documented at the time the allegations took place. What else is there? Edited November 28, 2017 by RUBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, RUBillsFan said: Great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said: They really spending a lot of time on this investigation. They got 'em working in shifts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Littlebill said: Banning all fraternities? LOL. What a hot take. and the plural of university is universities. You skip that day of third grade? It is an example. You figure out what an example is yet? You miss the point of the statement. Universities could ban fraternities, but they don’t. They have covered their liabilities with insurance. To the extent they need to worry about lawsuits, it is how those lawsuits affect public opinion and the University’s funding avenues. Therefore, they don’t need to be overly cautious with sexual assault. Do you understand this one now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said: Given this news, the guys won’t be playing the rest of the calendar year, at a minimum. I suppose the ongoing criminal investigation could be into a potentially false criminal allegation, but I seriously doubt it. Again, if the guys did something wrong, they should be punished. No ifs, ands or buts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, moytoy12 said: Given this news, the guys won’t be playing the rest of the calendar year, at a minimum. I suppose the ongoing criminal investigation could be into a potentially false criminal allegation, but I seriously doubt it. Again, if the guys did something wrong, they should be punished. No ifs, ands or buts. If they are pursuing an investigation into the crime of filming sexual acts without consent then that could take time to gather the evidence. For instance they would need to draft a search warrant for a phone and run a forensic search of the files then review the results or send it to Snap Chat and ask for the footage. It could take a while for Snap Chat to respond with digital footage then they have to review it and then conduct follow up interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Question..... If this drags out too long.... and they dont play at all this season.... Do they lose that year of eligibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 i have no NCAA knowledge specifically dealing with how this all works and definitely no credible SLU source, but i tend to believe if it isnt over in the next week to ten days that is a horrible sign. i am am about done with this. i would say definitive end and our players back on the floor by Tuesday December 12th or we cut ties and move on. Three new scholarships for the summer to place. 2010andBeyond likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Again, criminal cases are rarely "closed", but i'm fairly certain the STLPD will not "close" its investigation until the Title 9 investigation is wrapped up. They are two separate investigations and STLPD is likely keeping its investigation open in the event the Title 9 investigation reveals something the initial criminal investigation did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, slufan13 said: I think this team is already showing signs of fatigue. Definitely. A veteran team can get by with 8 guys but we are relying on 2 freshman getting acclimated to college ball and 2 guys who sat out all of last year and aren't in game shape. Those 4 guys are probably extremely taxed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 37 minutes ago, moytoy12 said: Given this news, the guys won’t be playing the rest of the calendar year, at a minimum. I suppose the ongoing criminal investigation could be into a potentially false criminal allegation, but I seriously doubt it. Again, if the guys did something wrong, they should be punished. No ifs, ands or buts. Don't read too far into that first line of her tweet. My guess is she added the word criminal herself and police never said anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: Don't read too far into that first line of her tweet. My guess is she added the word criminal herself and police never said anything like that. I don't have an effin clue whether she added the word criminal or not. But the police investigate crimes. That's what they do. Okay, I'll read that they're still just 'investigating'. This is not good news nor something that I think most of us were expecting to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: Again, criminal cases are rarely "closed", but i'm fairly certain the STLPD will not "close" its investigation until the Title 9 investigation is wrapped up. They are two separate investigations and STLPD is likely keeping its investigation open in the event the Title 9 investigation reveals something the initial criminal investigation did not. This. 20 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: i have no NCAA knowledge specifically dealing with how this all works and definitely no credible SLU source, but i tend to believe if it isnt over in the next week to ten days that is a horrible sign. i am am about done with this. i would say definitive end and our players back on the floor by Tuesday December 12th or we cut ties and move on. Three new scholarships for the summer to place. This assumes that SLU (or the organization/law firm conducting the investigation for them) isn’t intentionally dragging this along to come up with a way to look like they were thorough and save face by keeping players out of games. The fact that the players got to travel to nyc is significant to me. People making that decision know what facts are involved here, and they’re not going to risk the news story that they let some players travel to New York with the team during the investigation that led to them getting kicked out of school. Personally, I’m not comfortable with tossing these guys out of school because the school is slow to make a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealTalk Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Due to the university's pattern of mishandling previous incidents, it is impossible to ignore the racial component that may exist here. We do not want to be the program where the warning that we issue to our own incoming players is the same warning used to discourage potential African-American recruits; Be very careful (maybe avoid) when considering interracial sexual activity. Once is an anomaly, twice creates a stigma. AGB91 likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 From a long term standpoint, I'm concerned about the effect this investigation has on Coach Ford. He can't be happy at all with the administration right now. I never thought he would be our coach for the next 10 years but this is the type of foolishness that will drive a coach out the door as soon as he gets a viable offer. billiken_roy, majerus mojo, Westy03 and 2 others like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I think we need to be prepared for the guys not to play until Jan 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just now, Scoop said: I think we need to be prepared for the guys not to play until Jan 1. Hell, I'd be thrilled to find out they were gonna play by Jan. 1. I'm a long-time Billiken fan so I'm prepared for them never to play here again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniorbill76 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Is it possible the SLU Title IX investigation is finished or nearly so, but they're held up waiting for the police report to be finalized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastsidejoe Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 21 hours ago, Box and Won said: I just ask that when I die, the Bills lower me into the grave so they can let me down one last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastsidejoe Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 They are probably waiting for the appeal process to be completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, juniorbill76 said: Is it possible the SLU Title IX investigation is finished or nearly so, but they're held up waiting for the police report to be finalized? That's probably not the case. They can hand down their own ruling independent of what the police are doing. It's more likely that they're in the appeals process (see below). 3 hours ago, Pistol said: Just a quick reset in case people are wondering why there's no announcement after the 60-day window. Per SLU's Sexual Misconduct Policy, and I'll save you the trouble and direct your attention to the bottom of page 33, either party may appeal the outcome. They have 3 days to appeal after the Notice of Outcome, and "except in extraordinary circumstances", the University has 10 days to resolve the appeal. So assuming we're on day 64 of the process (Stu tweeted "day 63" yesterday) and all 13 days are taken for the appeals process, we're looking at Thursday, 12/7 for a possible resolution - possibly earlier, if they don't use the whole time frame, and possibly later, if there are some holiday-related delays factored in. SLU plays SIUC on 12/6, so I would safely assume we won't see them back before then. Houston is 12/9, Murray State is 12/12, and Oregon State is 12/16. Murray State is regular season game 10, for a nice round number on a possible suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, eastsidejoe said: They are probably waiting for the appeal process to be completed. Which begs the question, who would be appealing? The players or the accuser(s)? If the players are appealing, that’s a bad sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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