GDT: Santa Clara

[cgeldmacher]

1 minute ago, Crewsorlose said:

This was an absolute worst case scenario. I love Schertz but he was outcoached by a very good coach. Santa Clara was ready to disrupt dribble handoffs and we had 4 TOs before the first TV break. Robbie getting hurt destroys the chances of the team being anything as long as he's out.

But beyond this, there was panic. Schertz played Jimerson and Swope the entire game. I thought the team was supposed to be deep. Dotzler looked out of it. To me the most disappointing player, both in the warmups and today, is Casey. For a 4* who was a Miami recruit, he doesn't look athletic or skilled. 

Anya missed an uncontested dunk, got a T, and turned the ball over 5 times. Still, I think he'll help us win games. Why not roll the dice with McCottry? Why not see if Brockhoff can help out on the boards? I get it, it seemed like it would be a one possession game but shooters aren't going to have their legs at the end of the game if you never rest them. 

I agree.  The starters were gassed by the end of the game.  If Hughes, Dotzler and Casey were not contributing, then give McCottry and Brockhoff some minutes.

Also, some who read this board might think I am down on Hughes.  Actually, I am.  But that is not because I don't think he can play or that I don't think he can be a contributor.  His problem is shot selection.  His shot selection is terrible.  It seems like he thinks he has to get his shots in before he gets pulled from the game again.  So, he fires up the first opportunity he sees just about every time he touches the ball.  I'm really hoping that the coaches get through to him and let him know our system will get him open shots if he's patient.  He doesn't have to create his own.  Hopefully, that will convince him to stop taking the contested shots.

[SLU Observer]

Get used to what you watched. This is exactly how ISU played with Schertz as the coach. A ton of threes, little defense, and very little use of the bench. He plays his five most the game, maybe one or two get limited time off the bench due to foul trouble. I guess money can't buy wins

[mrjoelabs]

23 minutes ago, SLU Observer said:

Get used to what you watched. This is exactly how ISU played with Schertz as the coach. A ton of threes, little defense, and very little use of the bench. He plays his five most the game, maybe one or two get limited time off the bench due to foul trouble. I guess money can't buy wins

100 percent correct.   It is not a winning formula, especially in the A10.   Turn on the lady bills game if you want to see some real coaching.    

[White Pelican]

25 minutes ago, SLU Observer said:

Get used to what you watched. This is exactly how ISU played with Schertz as the coach. A ton of threes, little defense, and very little use of the bench. He plays his five most the game, maybe one or two get limited time off the bench due to foul trouble. I guess money can't buy wins

Sounds like you're glad to be rid of him. And welcome to the board! You'll fit right in with the rest of our trolls.

[slu72]

SC is a good experienced team that has played together for a year or two. Sendek is a good coach. We lost a toss up game. It will hurt come March, but we play a bunch of good mids and can make it up. My take on this season has always been we’re gonna need to win the tournament to get a bid. We’re a long way from there. Relax chill and let’s see how it all plays out. 

[gobillsgo]

1 hour ago, Crewsorlose said:

If he went 2-4 from three instead of 0-4, you wouldn't think he sucked. Sometimes shooters miss shots. It means they missed shots. You have to accept the variance of a player like Hughes. We're not going to be a good team if only six players play more than 6 minutes. It won't work against A-10 teams. 

No disrespect intended, but if my aunt had nuts, she’d be my uncle. His position, as stated by the head coach, is shooter. When a shooter goes 0-4 from 3, I have a problem with saying they played well. Apart from the shooting, I don’t think he defended particularly well either.   Obviously everyone would’ve been much happier with him had he shot 2-4.  I hope he starts knocking shots down and becomes a useful piece, but I just don’t see it. Would rather those minutes go to Mccottrey or Pikaar, both of whom have demonstrated ultra high potential in my opinion. 

[CenHudDude]

3 hours ago, Schasz said:

Have to find someone off the bench to give us quality minutes.

That would be Kellen Thames.  Kobe Johnson was supposed to start today with Thames in the bench.

[JettFlight5]

If Thames is a double digit scorer, this offense will be a lot of fun. 

[CenHudDude]

3 hours ago, Old guy said:

We lost by 7 not bad for the first game of  a new team. The only BAD thing that happened today was Avila's injury.

We were within 3 points after Robbie left the game.  As the Wiz said, this was a winnable game.  If Johnson started, Thames came off the bench, and Avila didn’t get hurt, would the Billikens have won?  Who knows?

[gobillsgo]

Just now, CenHudDude said:

We were within 3 points after Robbie left the game.  As the Wiz said, this was a winnable game.  If Johnson started, Thames came off the bench, and Avila didn’t get hurt, would the Billikens have won?  Who knows?

Hard to say, but without that impressive Thames stretch in the first half, kind of felt like we were maybe on the way to getting whooped. 

[White Pelican]

3 minutes ago, CenHudDude said:

We were within 3 points after Robbie left the game.  As the Wiz said, this was a winnable game.  If Johnson started, Thames came off the bench, and Avila didn’t get hurt, would the Billikens have won?  Who knows?

Pretty much my take too. A tossup game that had things gone right we could have won. I think we'll have to win the A10 tourney to dance, so let's leave this one in the rearview mirror and move on.

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

14 minutes ago, White Pelican said:

I think we'll have to win the A10 tourney to dance, so let's leave this one in the rearview mirror and move on.

I'm still not satisfied with this. I'm tired of having to default to the stupid a** A10 tournament just to have a post-season shot, makes the season seem worthless.

[mrjoelabs]

Just now, BrettJollyComedyHour said:

I'm still not satisfied with this. I'm tired of having to default to the stupid a** A10 tournament just to have a post-season shot, makes the season seem worthless.

At large could've been in play with a win here, vs. Wichita and at GCU plus a good conference season.  Will be tough now

[Old guy]

Agree we could have won, but Avila got injured again (was it the same leg that got injured?) and it did not happen. Too bad, let's stop looking back on what could have happened, and start looking forward into what may happen. This is only our first real game of the season, there will be many others and we may still lose some of these future games as well.

[VeniceMenace]

Watched Wichita St. convincing win at Western Ky....Shockers look as good if not better than Santa Clara. Should be undefeated when SLU plays them in KC.

[Crewsorlose]

1 hour ago, gobillsgo said:

No disrespect intended, but if my aunt had nuts, she’d be my uncle. His position, as stated by the head coach, is shooter. When a shooter goes 0-4 from 3, I have a problem with saying they played well. Apart from the shooting, I don’t think he defended particularly well either.   Obviously everyone would’ve been much happier with him had he shot 2-4.  I hope he starts knocking shots down and becomes a useful piece, but I just don’t see it. Would rather those minutes go to Mccottrey or Pikaar, both of whom have demonstrated ultra high potential in my opinion. 

I think you're missing the point. Nobody's saying he played great. He had 3 boards and a steal. He turned it over once. Only Thames played more and committed fewer TOs. That's kind of what you want from him, only the shooting was off. He shot 41% his first year, increased his volume fourfold and shot 36% last year. We kind of know who Hughes is. Casey and Dotzler were supposed to be upgrades over the talent at the end of the Ford years and it doesn't seem like they are. That's why I'm not going to crap on Hughes. 

[Fraz]

2 hours ago, CenHudDude said:

We were within 3 points after Robbie left the game.  As the Wiz said, this was a winnable game.  If Johnson started, Thames came off the bench, and Avila didn’t get hurt, would the Billikens have won?  Who knows?

This is something I hope the committee does their homework on

[wgstl]

13 hours ago, SLU Observer said:

Get used to what you watched. This is exactly how ISU played with Schertz as the coach. A ton of threes, little defense, and very little use of the bench. He plays his five most the game, maybe one or two get limited time off the bench due to foul trouble. I guess money can't buy wins

It’s not even that much money, just out of the hands of the poors. 

[SLU Observer]

34 minutes ago, Fraz said:

This is something I hope the committee does their homework on

Committee didn’t care about ISU playing Alabama close until down the stretch without Avila playing the game and they won’t care about this even more minuscule instance. Unfortunately, SLU is basically the same level just with money and even that isn’t working out so far

[Fraz]

19 minutes ago, SLU Observer said:

Committee didn’t care about ISU playing Alabama close until down the stretch without Avila playing the game and they won’t care about this even more minuscule instance. Unfortunately, SLU is basically the same level just with money and even that isn’t working out so far

You created an account why?  Same guys like you Schertz had to hide from while he was out to eat.

I realize this off-season was painful for you, but it’s time to let it go.  The Missouri Valley needs you!

 

 

[Lando Griffin]

14 hours ago, SLU Observer said:

Get used to what you watched. This is exactly how ISU played with Schertz as the coach. A ton of threes, little defense, and very little use of the bench. He plays his five most the game, maybe one or two get limited time off the bench due to foul trouble. I guess money can't buy wins

This!

How can so many people on this board be shocked by this? 

[Lando Griffin]

12 hours ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said:

I'm still not satisfied with this. I'm tired of having to default to the stupid a** A10 tournament just to have a post-season shot, makes the season seem worthless.

Complain about the A-10 not SLU.

[Cowboy II]

-the turnovers, injuries and bench are what I reflect on from last night, the turnovers should be fixable, the injuries will have to run their course and change the trajectory of the non-conf and as CJS was quoted someone from the bench needs to gain the confidence of the staff to be able to get clock and contribute

-I understand the philosophy of getting a rebound and going but I don't have much confidence in Anya bringing up the ball

-GibJim still cannot defend

-it will upset me greatly if we continue to foul 3pt shooters

-while frustrating at times we played a fun brand of bball to watch

[WUH]

12 hours ago, Crewsorlose said:

Casey and Dotzler were supposed to be upgrades over the talent at the end of the Ford years and it doesn't seem like they are.

I did not watch most of the game, but how can anyone possibly judge Casey and Dotzler based on a combined 11 minutes of play?

[billiken_roy]

40 minutes ago, WUH said:

I did not watch most of the game, but how can anyone possibly judge Casey and Dotzler based on a combined 11 minutes of play?

imo that lack of floor time considering hughes by himself had almost twice the time as the two of them, says that the coaching staff doesnt see their worth.   and since they see them play and interact with them every day, i think i will go along with the coaching staff.  so i think i agree with crewsorlose.  at least at this point.   they obviously need to improve or get healthier or something.