2024 SLU Men's Basketball Head Coaching Search

[billiken_roy]

If Hargroves dunk tonight doesn't make sportscenter top 10 thats wrong.

Other than that the best part of the game tonight was The Band

[DOC]

4 hours ago, Soderball said:

Can't wait until TFord is gone and you finally leave the board.

Not going anywhere db. Think I’ll stick around and call out idiot posters for a while. As you know I’m no fan of Ford I just think you’re a useless poster with no life. 

[DOC]

6 hours ago, billikenfan05 said:

Thanks for your opinion. You should see a doctor for that extended hard on you have for me. 

You should get a job and stop obsessing over a basketball program as if you are all-knowing. 

[RiseOfTheBillikens]

5 minutes ago, DOC said:

You should get a job and stop obsessing over a basketball program as if you are all-knowing. 

Ya @billikenfan05 we just have to stop caring. That's the solution the University has given us. 

[billikenfan05]

Jokes on him, I have two jobs.

 

39 minutes ago, RiseOfTheBillikens said:

Ya @billikenfan05 we just have to stop caring. That's the solution the University has given us. 

 

[Soderball]

53 minutes ago, DOC said:

Not going anywhere db. Think I’ll stick around and call out idiot posters for a while. As you know I’m no fan of Ford I just think you’re a useless poster with no life. 

Oh wow I got called out by stone cold. Brutal.

What's the over/under on how long DOC is around when TF is gone?

You can go back to posting on whatever Kentucky forum you use.

[SLUAvtr]

3 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

If Hargroves dunk tonight doesn't make sportscenter top 10 thats wrong.

Other than that the best part of the game tonight was The Band

You know we're always appreciative of the kudos Roy. 

And thank you ALL for the support you've shown the Band this year! Even if the product on the court isn't the greatest, we'll ALWAYS put our best foot forward for you guys!  Hope you enjoyed the music and til the music rings out next year, everyone have a safe and exciting off season! 

[Pistol]

Ford is now 5-12 against Dayton. He allowed them to score 100 at SLU on Senior Night.

In college sports, when you can't beat your rival, you get fired.

There is no ambiguity here.

Anyone who disagrees can go away. Anyone uncomfortable with this fact (and the conversation around it) should probably take a break for the next few weeks.

[TRN]

14 minutes ago, Pistol said:

Ford is now 5-12 against Dayton. He allowed them to score 100 at SLU on Senior Night.

In college sports, when you can't beat your rival, you get fired.

There is no ambiguity here.

Anyone who disagrees can go away. Anyone uncomfortable with this fact (and the conversation around it) should probably take a break for the next few weeks.

And anytime you have not beaten a top 25 team in EIGHT years, you need to move on.

[Slu let the dogs out?]

37 minutes ago, Pistol said:

Ford is now 5-12 against Dayton. He allowed them to score 100 at SLU on Senior Night.

In college sports, when you can't beat your rival, you get fired.

There is no ambiguity here.

Anyone who disagrees can go away. Anyone uncomfortable with this fact (and the conversation around it) should probably take a break for the next few weeks.

Or maybe go start a WhatsApp group chat with your high roller friends

[JMM28]

40 minutes ago, Pistol said:

Ford is now 5-12 against Dayton. He allowed them to score 100 at SLU on Senior Night.

In college sports, when you can't beat your rival, you get fired.

There is no ambiguity here.

Anyone who disagrees can go away. Anyone uncomfortable with this fact (and the conversation around it) should probably take a break for the next few weeks.

Great point. 

I'd also add that you can't have a team in the bottom 25 of defensive rankings in the country and live to coach another season. 

[slufan13]

52 minutes ago, Pistol said:

Ford is now 5-12 against Dayton. He allowed them to score 100 at SLU on Senior Night.

In college sports, when you can't beat your rival, you get fired.

There is no ambiguity here.

Anyone who disagrees can go away. Anyone uncomfortable with this fact (and the conversation around it) should probably take a break for the next few weeks.

But but but but what about our offensive rankings? What are those?

[brianstl]

21 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said:

Or maybe go start a WhatsApp group chat with your high roller friends

Can I interest you in a SLU big baller Telegram channel?

[TRN]

11 minutes ago, slufan13 said:

But but but but what about our offensive rankings? What are those?

91st in KenPom.  Just crap all around.

[Pistol]

1 hour ago, JMM28 said:

Great point. 

I'd also add that you can't have a team in the bottom 25 of defensive rankings in the country and live to coach another season. 

There are many reasons to move forward with the firing. Last night served to highlight a big one, though.

[Soderball]

2 hours ago, Pistol said:

Ford is now 5-12 against Dayton. He allowed them to score 100 at SLU on Senior Night.

In college sports, when you can't beat your rival, you get fired.

There is no ambiguity here.

Anyone who disagrees can go away. Anyone uncomfortable with this fact (and the conversation around it) should probably take a break for the next few weeks.

WHAT ABOUT 2-11 AGAINST VCU?

 

Personally i despise VCU even more than Dayton. VCU is the real rival. Beat VCU.

[wgstl]

2 hours ago, Pistol said:

Ford is now 5-12 against Dayton. He allowed them to score 100 at SLU on Senior Night.

In college sports, when you can't beat your rival, you get fired.

Or having one of the worst Defenses in the country. 

Or one Tourney in 8 years

Or not giving your lone senior a sendoff down 15 with a minute left

Or causing your whole team to get covid bc you wanted to have a bday party

Could go on and on of all single reasons he's should be gone.  My head hurts. I wanna go home. 

[Bizziken]

3 hours ago, Pistol said:

Ford is now 5-12 against Dayton. He allowed them to score 100 at SLU on Senior Night.

In college sports, when you can't beat your rival, you get fired.

There is no ambiguity here.

Anyone who disagrees can go away. Anyone uncomfortable with this fact (and the conversation around it) should probably take a break for the next few weeks.

It's not just Dayton and VCU though, it's against ANY good team. I did this before the season, and have updated it so far this year.

SLU vs Top 4 A-10 opponents, including the A-10 Conference Tournament (Regular Season record in parentheses):

2016-17: 0-5 (0-5)

2017-18: 1-5 (1-4)

2018-19: 4-4 (1-4)

2019-20: 2-2 (2-2)

2020-21: 3-2 (2-1)

2021-22: 3-5 (2-4)

2022-23: 1-5 (1-4)

2023-24: 0-7 (0-7)

TOTAL RECORD: 14-35 (9-31)

TOTAL RECORD (factoring 16-17 out): 14-30 (9-26)

TOTAL RECORD (factoring 16-17 out, 19-20 COVID out, 20-21 COVID out): 9-26 (5-23)

[cheeseman]

I am just trying to understand why some think Mack would be a good hire.  Didn't he flame out at Louisville?  I know he was successful at X.  Just wondering what people are thinking.

[DeSmetBilliken]

26 minutes ago, Bizziken said:

It's not just Dayton and VCU though, it's against ANY good team. I did this before the season, and have updated it so far this year.

SLU vs Top 4 A-10 opponents, including the A-10 Conference Tournament (Regular Season record in parentheses):

2016-17: 0-5 (0-5)

2017-18: 1-5 (1-4)

2018-19: 4-4 (1-4)

2019-20: 2-2 (2-2)

2020-21: 3-2 (2-1)

2021-22: 3-5 (2-4)

2022-23: 1-5 (1-4)

2023-24: 0-7 (0-7)

TOTAL RECORD: 14-35 (9-31)

TOTAL RECORD (factoring 16-17 out): 14-30 (9-26)

TOTAL RECORD (factoring 16-17 out, 19-20 COVID out, 20-21 COVID out): 9-26 (5-23)

That is impressively bad.

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

1 minute ago, cheeseman said:

Didn't he flame out at Louisville?

Nah didn't they fire him during a scandal or something? 

 

Edit: Yep, just looked it up.

Edited March 6 by BrettJollyComedyHour

[wgstl]

16 minutes ago, cheeseman said:

I am just trying to understand why some think Mack would be a good hire.  Didn't he flame out at Louisville?  I know he was successful at X.  Just wondering what people are thinking.

Success at a school similar to SLU and in the region is a big yes. 

2009–10	Xavier	26–9	14–2	T–1st	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2010–11	Xavier	24–8	15–1	1st	NCAA Division I Round of 64
2011–12	Xavier	23–13	10–6	3rd	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2012–13	Xavier	17–14	9–7	T–6th
Xavier Musketeers (Big East Conference) (2013–2018)
2013–14	Xavier	21–13	10–8	T–3rd	NCAA Division I First Four
2014–15	Xavier	23–14	9–9	6th	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2015–16	Xavier	28–6	14–4	2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
2016–17	Xavier	24–14	9–9	7th	NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2017–18	Xavier	29–6	15–3	1st	NCAA Division I Round of 32
Xavier:		215–97 (.689)	105–49 (.682)
Louisville Cardinals (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2018–2022)
2018–19	Louisville	20–14	10–8	T–6th	NCAA Division I Round of 64
2019–20	Louisville	24–7	15–5	T–2nd	No postseason due to COVID-19 pandemic
2020–21	Louisville	13–7	8–5	7th
2021–22	Louisville	6–8	5–5

 

That's a lot of tourney visits. my biggest problem with this is my bank account wouldn't support all of these hotels every march.  

But seriously, the 19-20 season Louisville was ranked #9 in KP going into post season.

The dude can coach.  The whole pre - NIL doesn't bother me much because A the guy can coach, B you know he was recruiting as if NIL was a thing in his final years at X and most definitely at Louisville.  Everyone was doing it to some degree at that level with that success. 

 

Just think, instead of 20 win seasons, we're looking at 25 being the benchmark (!!!)

[TRN]

42 minutes ago, Bizziken said:

It's not just Dayton and VCU though, it's against ANY good team. I did this before the season, and have updated it so far this year.

SLU vs Top 4 A-10 opponents, including the A-10 Conference Tournament (Regular Season record in parentheses):

2016-17: 0-5 (0-5)

2017-18: 1-5 (1-4)

2018-19: 4-4 (1-4)

2019-20: 2-2 (2-2)

2020-21: 3-2 (2-1)

2021-22: 3-5 (2-4)

2022-23: 1-5 (1-4)

2023-24: 0-7 (0-7)

TOTAL RECORD: 14-35 (9-31)

TOTAL RECORD (factoring 16-17 out): 14-30 (9-26)

TOTAL RECORD (factoring 16-17 out, 19-20 COVID out, 20-21 COVID out): 9-26 (5-23)

Congratulations, you’ve done more statistical analysis on Ford’s tenure than any local media or the people calling games.
 

It’s just easier for them to repeat the same talking points… “27 year head coach, made the NCAA tournament, multiple 20 win seasons” and not get into specifics, which are eye opening.

[ACE]

Mack famously said that Majerus was playing chess while he and other coaches were playing checkers.

He earns some points for that.

[Slu let the dogs out?]

1 hour ago, wgstl said:

Success at a school similar to SLU and in the region is a big yes. 

2009–10	Xavier	26–9	14–2	T–1st	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2010–11	Xavier	24–8	15–1	1st	NCAA Division I Round of 64
2011–12	Xavier	23–13	10–6	3rd	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2012–13	Xavier	17–14	9–7	T–6th
Xavier Musketeers (Big East Conference) (2013–2018)
2013–14	Xavier	21–13	10–8	T–3rd	NCAA Division I First Four
2014–15	Xavier	23–14	9–9	6th	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2015–16	Xavier	28–6	14–4	2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
2016–17	Xavier	24–14	9–9	7th	NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2017–18	Xavier	29–6	15–3	1st	NCAA Division I Round of 32
Xavier:		215–97 (.689)	105–49 (.682)
Louisville Cardinals (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2018–2022)
2018–19	Louisville	20–14	10–8	T–6th	NCAA Division I Round of 64
2019–20	Louisville	24–7	15–5	T–2nd	No postseason due to COVID-19 pandemic
2020–21	Louisville	13–7	8–5	7th
2021–22	Louisville	6–8	5–5

 

That's a lot of tourney visits. my biggest problem with this is my bank account wouldn't support all of these hotels every march.  

But seriously, the 19-20 season Louisville was ranked #9 in KP going into post season.

The dude can coach.  The whole pre - NIL doesn't bother me much because A the guy can coach, B you know he was recruiting as if NIL was a thing in his final years at X and most definitely at Louisville.  Everyone was doing it to some degree at that level with that success. 

 

Just think, instead of 20 win seasons, we're looking at 25 being the benchmark (!!!)

Mack remains my top choice for much of the reasons stated above. Will he cost a ton? Yeah, but it's not my money so what do I care? The issue isn't that Ford is getting paid $2.5M it is that he is getting paid $2.5M to produce unacceptable results.

I'd also be thrilled with Schertz or McCollum. I was going to wait until my youngest kids were a bit older to purchase season tix but if one of these three is hired, I'm moving that up to the 24-25 season.