Fraz Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 So wild. Clearly we were crazy overrated, but a ton of people got it wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Just as bad = just as good. Glass half full = glass half empty. It may take a major and unexpected defeat, to burst the fantasy and force people to accept the glass is half empty. In reality it has been half empty all the time. Howwever, the guy accepting tonight that it is half empty for the first time has just experienced a major change in his point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Just now, Fraz said: So wild. Clearly we were crazy overrated, but a ton of people got it wrong That's as close as I'm going to get. Crazy. Waited all those years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamjam Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, laker119 said: Especially Javon Pickett Pickett was the reason for the Drake win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, dlarry said: I agree Ford is a big part of the problem but I also think we overrated the players. Does this mean Ford isn’t actually a good recruiter then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, brianstl said: When a team consistently blows double digit second half leads over multiple seasons with different players, the one constant is probably the issue. Out of likes. +1M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 8 hours ago, RiseOfTheBillikens said: The SIUE coach ran to his wife. Good one Old guy. Running to his wife took maybe an additional 7 seconds. I’ve seen players celebrate for longer than that on the floor after big wins yet the losing team still waits to shake their hands. Unless he thought their coach was heading towards the locker rooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Good news: No games until 12/31! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 One of the things that has eaten at me since last year was watching Collins bail on the team for the NIT game. It always rubbed me the wrong way and I think I see this with a lack of caring about losses on this year's team. Maybe it's a bad take but it is something that's stuck with me. AGB91, joe_davola and bauman like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Soderball said: One of the things that has eaten at me since last year was watching Collins bail on the team for the NIT game. It always rubbed me the wrong way and I think I see this with a lack of caring about losses on this year's team. Maybe it's a bad take but it is something that's stuck with me. I really don’t think our players are indifferent about basketball. It’s hard to commit your life to something like all these young men do and not have a passion for what it is. Some have noted Ford’s acknowledging this is a quiet group. They really don’t have any personality or an identity. The previous group played bully-ball. They’d muck up the game, punch you in the face, take your lunch money and most important they bought into that. I think it’s just an odd group at the moment, they don’t really know what they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Fraz said: I really don’t think our players are indifferent about basketball. It’s hard to commit your life to something like all these young men do and not have a passion for what it is. Some have noted Ford’s acknowledging this is a quiet group. They really don’t have any personality or an identity. The previous group played bully-ball. They’d muck up the game, punch you in the face, take your lunch money and most important they bought into that. I think it’s just an odd group at the moment, they don’t really know what they are And yet Ford’s teams with a supposed identity still couldn’t finish better than 4th in the A10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC1764 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Soderball said: One of the things that has eaten at me since last year was watching Collins bail on the team for the NIT game. It always rubbed me the wrong way and I think I see this with a lack of caring about losses on this year's team. Maybe it's a bad take but it is something that's stuck with me. I saw that as well. Not a good look from a kid who put the fanbase and his coaches on a rollercoaster in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: Does this mean Ford isn’t actually a good recruiter then? I don’t think so. who on this team did he win big recruiting battles with? Tate was able to convince a bunch of local guys to stay home. Other than that who are the guys Ford won a tough recruiting battle for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Fraz said: They really don’t have any personality or an identity. What do you mean? Team Blue! It’s as generic as it gets. slufan13 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Unfortunately some of us have seen through all the off-season hype when it comes to Ford for quite a while. Took a lot of flack from many on this board for it too. While I’d rather be eating crow as we head towards a 5-seed at large berth, that just isn’t happening under Ford. It’s time. Thanks for bringing the program back from the stink of Crews, but you’re not taking this program to the next level. So long, Travis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, dlarry said: I don’t think so. who on this team did he win big recruiting battles with? Tate was able to convince a bunch of local guys to stay home. Other than that who are the guys Ford won a tough recruiting battle for? I think the talent is good, even if the roster isn’t constructed in the best way. It is a top 40 roster. The scary thing is after this season the talent will start filtering out quickly as players graduate. The program needed to show results this season to give a boost to recruiting which has definitely slowed down over the past few seasons. To answer your question about recruiting battles, we haven’t won any in recent years except those involving players that Tate had a connection to. We haven’t won on guys that can make real difference without some connection to Tate since the likes of Jimerson, French, Isabelle, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010andBeyond Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: And yet Ford’s teams with a supposed identity still couldn’t finish better than 4th in the A10. And an NBA player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, brianstl said: The scary thing is after this season the talent will start filtering out quickly as players graduate. The program needed to show results this season to give a boost to recruiting which has definitely slowed down over the past few seasons. This is an underappreciated point. Ford when he came in could sell "things will be different with me" without any results. Making the tournament (via the A-10 Tournament) somewhat saved him, because he could say: Look what we can do. For future recruits, I think the best thing that Ford can point to is Goodwin. I think it would be a hard sell for a recruit to say things will be better when there are years of mediocre results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Well, at least we aren't Iowa. Eastern Illinois pulled off the biggest college basketball upset by point spread in the modern era Wednesday, knocking off Iowa 92-83 on the road as a 31.5-point underdog, according to Caesars Sportsbook. laker119 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Makes a lot of sense if you don’t think about it. laker119, Compton and Slu let the dogs out? like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Part of me thinks Yuri and Perkins don't get along. Old guy/ mbm take NextYearBill and slufan13 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC1764 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Who would’ve thought that bringing back a player who didn’t bother to show up for an NIT game while talking to UT for NIL purposes and led his teammates, coaching staff, fanbase, and school astray would cause friction within the clubhouse the following season ? SLUMedBilliken15, NextYearBill, billiken_roy and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 56 minutes ago, BC1764 said: Who would’ve thought that bringing back a player who didn’t bother to show up for an NIT game while talking to UT for NIL purposes and led his teammates, coaching staff, fanbase, and school astray would cause friction within the clubhouse the following season ? I think this is definitely a factor. Plus Ford has on numerous occasions called Collins “ the greatest point guard in the nation” and, as a result he has removed any kind of governor and just lets Collins do his thing-not exactly a team-building message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 SIUE… at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 minute ago, NextYearBill said: SIUE… at home. I think the WORST part is… Perkins played like old Perkins, so can’t even hang the excuse of man we need Perkins. We lost to siue full fouking strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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