NextYearBill Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Wow you’re totoally right! College basketball and football are the same sport! I hear they have the same amount of players on the field too so surely 1 person makes the same contribution in both sports equally. There is a reason why in basketball 1 player can be the difference between playoffs and not how many 4* players did SLU have on their roster when they were ranked #8 in the nation? QUAILMAN and rgbilliken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 30 minutes ago, NextYearBill said: Season 3 was lit Still trying to figure out if I'm supposed to be rooting for or against this coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Still trying to figure out if I'm supposed to be rooting for or against this coach. i like him... gotta be that way to get through to those kids. he turned his back on Mr. 5* QB.... he earned my respect after that also.... do a little digging on that QB.... itll all make sense why he acts like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgbilliken Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 On the topic of whether star ratings of recruits "matter," I found this post to be pretty interesting: https://basketball.realgm.com/article/229173/Star-Ratings-In-Depth tl;dr: On average, based on statistics, better-ranked recruits end up contributing more to their college teams. However, I would add that this article is based on averages, and as we all know, an average doesn't say much (if anything) about any particular individual. Further, if you have a coach like Majerus, who had a known ability to pick out diamonds in the proverbial rough, star ratings are going to mean less. It's also obvious that plenty of low-ranked players end up far exceeding their recruiting star rankings. If memory serves me correctly, Ron Baker at Wichita State wasn't ranked at all, and Frank Mason, who ended up POY, wasn't ranked highly coming out of high school. There's also something to be said for 3-4 star recruits who stick around for 4 years compared to one-and-dones. The true answer is definitely somewhere in between "a team with 4 star recruits will be automatically better than one with 2- and 3- star recruits" and "star rankings don't matter at all." Although some of you who are saying the latter may be trolling GloryRavs because it's fun and easy to do...in which case just ignore this. RUBillsFan, Pistol, brianstl and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 25 minutes ago, rgbilliken said: The true answer is definitely somewhere in between "a team with 4 star recruits will be automatically better than one with 2- and 3- star recruits" and "star rankings don't matter at all." Although some of you who are saying the latter may be trolling GloryRavs because it's fun and easy to do...in which case just ignore this. Absolutely correct. I will always look back fondly at the Washington fans coming to billikens.com, talking about their star ratings, talking about killing SLU, etc. And we all know what happened next. But overall, you're spot on that ratings do matter to an extent. And that it is easy to troll gloryravs. cgeldmacher, Littlebill, MattyMo213 and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenbooster Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, JMM28 said: Absolutely correct. I will always look back fondly at the Washington fans coming to billikens.com, talking about their star ratings, talking about killing SLU, etc. And we all know what happened next. But overall, you're spot on that ratings do matter to an extent. And that it is easy to troll gloryravs. To me the best part of that sequence was the look on Conklin's face after he came down and scored the basket. It just typified the type of player he was, and the intensity he had. mhg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgbilliken Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, JMM28 said: Absolutely correct. I will always look back fondly at the Washington fans coming to billikens.com, talking about their star ratings, talking about killing SLU, etc. And we all know what happened next. But overall, you're spot on that ratings do matter to an extent. And that it is easy to troll gloryravs. Still one of my favorite moments since I've been watching SLU basketball. Also, I miss the old billiken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Billikenbooster said: To me the best part of that sequence was the look on Conklin's face after he came down and scored the basket. It just typified the type of player he was, and the intensity he had. mhg My seat is right next to the away section, their fans had that look of wanting to go nuts on the refs while knowing it was 110% legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Glorydays2013 said: Shhh don’t speak logically to Hoosier. He doesn’t understand college basketball recruiting Okay, if recruiting stars are so important, the team with the most stars should win, right? Why play the game? Just meet at center court, count stars and call it a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 16 hours ago, Compton said: I assume his choices would revolve around $$$ (which doesn't necessarily mean jumping to a P5 if it's a bit more money for a much higher chance of being canned after 2-3 years) and what gives him the best shot at coaching in Lexington, KY someday. Can't really think of any other significant motivations. Sure, St. Louis isn't the greatest college basketball town, but he can change that, which seems like more of a reason to stay and cement a legacy than a detriment. And as mentioned, obviously a great place to live and raise a family - especially if keeping connections/family in western KY. Exactly. The NFL will never come back here (thank God), so this is a golden opportunity for the Bills to hang with the big boys. cmart likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 37 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Okay, if recruiting stars are so important, the team with the most stars should win, right? Why play the game? Just meet at center court, count stars and call it a day. Did lead toy laws come into effect after your childhood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 48 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Okay, if recruiting stars are so important, the team with the most stars should win, right? Why play the game? Just meet at center court, count stars and call it a day. They usually do. Or at least make huge runs. They may get bumped in an upset in the 1st round but most of the time the blue bloods are loaded with top ranked recruits and have great regular seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Recruiting rankings are one of countless factors that determine the outcome of games. billikenfan05 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Recruiting rankings are one of countless factors that determine the outcome of games. Scoring more points than your opponent is more important than recruiting rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Lets make this simple - better ingredients make better pizza - with all things being equal. rgbilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neighbor Dave Posted July 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2018 Had the pleasure of taking in practice this morning. Coaches were introducing a lot of new stuff, so don't want to draw any premature conclusions re: anything specific. However... the strength/athleticism/skill-level of the 4 bigs is OFF THE CHARTS. And they are getting after it. Coach said (paraphrasing): There's teams out there with one or two bigs better than our guys, but nobody has four as good as our four. The talent on the floor in 5 v 5 at practice is light-years ahead of the last few years. And that was without Isabel, Wiley, or Thor. You also get the sense that these guys know they've got something cooking. Gonna be a fun year! VeniceMenace, GoBills73, Box and Won and 12 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) Dave I understand why re Thor, but any reason why Isabell and Wiley were not there? Also , was Welmer playing? Edited July 24, 2018 by bauman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, bauman said: Dave I understand why re Thor, but any reason why Isabell and Wiley were not there? Also , was Welmer playing? Isabell was on a flight this morning. Not sure why though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Isabell was on a flight this morning. Not sure why though. ya back to philly. Wonder if it has something to do with getting his last belongings or needing to complete a last second thing for class credits. Also Isabell has been staying in clayton the last week or two. Also interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, bauman said: Also , was Welmer playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Dave Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Isabel finishing up work at Drexel, per coach. He's been in town, hanging with the guys and playing pickup, but can't do official team stuff yet. Wiley was there but not participating. Had ice on his leg. Drills only for Welmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I thought Wiley was on campus too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 By the way thanks for the report. Any info on Thatch and Jacobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Neighbor Dave said: Isabel finishing up work at Drexel, per coach. He's been in town, hanging with the guys and playing pickup, but can't do official team stuff yet. Makes sense as to why hes in a hotel in clayton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Dave Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Thatch as advertised. Big & strong for a frosh. Jacobs is thin. The size of the rest of the guys really makes him look small (both height and bulk). But very athletic and showed a nice jumper today. TheDude and JohnnyJumpUp like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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