CenHudDude Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, CBFan said: Chris Carrawell could probably recruit St. Louis successfully and probably knows Cory Tate and could convince Cory to be on his staff. I would rather have a local guy then a fired coach to replace Ford. The Maryland game was not an outlier, it was an ugly sample of when the team has an off shooting night that does not play defense. Defense has been an issue for 2 seasons and the coach cannot fix it. If the late lquarles was still with us he would be having a field day on Billikens.com. RIP lquarles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, gobillsgo said: Now that we’ve had a night to sleep on it and reflect…. Travis OUT Is this early December? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 10 hours ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: #TeamBeta Laughed at that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, CenHudDude said: If the late lquarles was still with us he would be having a field day on Billikens.com. RIP lquarles. Rather have Triangle and Too or Gruehls (however he spelled that) or even basketball country back..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyMo213 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I thought after the SIUe loss and a long break this team would come back with some fire and passion to run through the A10 but after watching us squeak out against St. Joes and embarrass ourselves against UMass they look even more apathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 11 hours ago, JettFlight5 said: Coach Majerus’s teams used to do something called a screen. Brian Conklin was good at it. Maybe we can try that? this team is probably the worst screen setters and users i have ever seen. I cringe every time our bigs run up to sent a screen and dont even make solid still contact with the defender. or collins circles around the screen so wide my 94 year old mother could keep up with him. or collins going to the basket before our bigs are even set thus causing the illegal screen call on the bigs. i dont even get what's the point of doing it if they are going to be this unfundamental about it? MB73, Adman, Bizziken and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Maybe Ford's tool is bigger then RM. Not sure how you give up 90 points to UMass but they did. I really think Ford has peaked here and things are not getting better each year in fact they are stagnating. Does anybody know what the contract situation is for Ford? Billiken Rich and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, cheeseman said: Maybe Ford's tool is bigger then RM. John Holmes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 16 hours ago, dlarry said: I don’t think he is terrible at his job I think he’s a bit lazy and covering a beat he doesn’t want to cover. When he actually writes articles about Billiken players/coaches I enjoy them and think they are well done. He just didn’t put in the effort to be a great at covering the Billikens. He acts as if he hates the Billikens. It's always a majority of highlighting negatives (granted there are often many negatives to choose from) and a minimal amount of reluctantly announcing the positives. His articles are often better than his social media presence but even in the articles I find that he doesn't do a good enough job at framing the highlights and accomplishments of the individuals or teams that he's covering. In fact I've seen examples of him (seemingly) intentionally spinning particular pieces of info in a manner that trivializes or demeans the significance of it...I most recently remember that about a soccer article this fall and there were more examples the further back we go. A trained monkey could be as good as Stu at his job if they were also granted the access that he is. 16 hours ago, wgstl said: Stu has gotten better, still a long way to go to be what most G6 schools have with coverage Yes, he's gotten better, because the bar was set so very low. And it was set even lower by the many beat writers before him. But the biggest reason he's gotten better, invested more time and energy, and increased the quantity of his content is because Carter Chapley gave him no choice but to do so. As soon as he came on the scene there was pressure for the Post-Dispatch to step up their game and though they did so I'd say minimally. Carter's content has ALWAYS been better and it's always written and presented like he's not only knowledgeable, but passionate and actually hopes for the best for the program. They should have moved Carter to the Billiken beat a long time ago and put Stu in the fu**ing mail room, or at least some other area. I'm sick of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 12 hours ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said: I'm officially on the get rid of Ford Train. 12 hours ago, dlarry said: I was trending that way but thought a run in Brooklyn and a NCAA birth could save his job. Now, not so much. He needs to go. I still really believe they can win in Brooklyn in spite of Ford. I still think Jimerson and Perkins can get hot for a few games. I still think Collins can lead this team. I am hoping Okoro decides to stop wearing oven mitts during games. Parker looks like he has found it and Hughes has earned minutes. Even if all that happens for 4 days in Brooklyn, Ford has no business being on the sideline next year. I was long a defender. I'm not anymore. I agree with @dlarry in that there's no reason we can't salvage a bit of a postseason, make an A10 run and squeak a tournament bid, but at this point short of winning the damn national championship he has got to go. I even think him going now wouldn't be a bad idea. Send a message, wake up the team, and see what it can do for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Congratulations Bills by 40 you finally opened up your eyes to what Ford is like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 The beat writer is not supposed to be a cheerleader. That said, one of the overlooked issues about writing sports articles is you have column inches or a character count you have to reach. I’ve had personal experience with this problem. What happens is you’ve interviewed one or more people, researched the topic, and tried to develop a theme. You start writing, add as much flesh to the bone as you can think of, but find yourself still short of the needed length. At that point, you have to find something to fill in with and that something can come across as negative just to make a connection back to the larger theme. Fans of the team don’t like it but it helps to get the needed article length. I look for this kind of filler when reading articles and can tell when the writer is stretching out the verbage to get to the needed count. I recommend being a little less critical of Stu but that’s up to you. stmdragons and Box and Won like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Billiken Rich said: Rather have Triangle and Too or Gruehls (however he spelled that) or even basketball country back..... JMM28 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 54 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: He acts as if he hates the Billikens. It's always a majority of highlighting negatives (granted there are often many negatives to choose from) and a minimal amount of reluctantly announcing the positives. His articles are often better than his social media presence but even in the articles I find that he doesn't do a good enough job at framing the highlights and accomplishments of the individuals or teams that he's covering. In fact I've seen examples of him (seemingly) intentionally spinning particular pieces of info in a manner that trivializes or demeans the significance of it...I most recently remember that about a soccer article this fall and there were more examples the further back we go. A trained monkey could be as good as Stu at his job if they were also granted the access that he is. Yes, he's gotten better, because the bar was set so very low. And it was set even lower by the many beat writers before him. But the biggest reason he's gotten better, invested more time and energy, and increased the quantity of his content is because Carter Chapley gave him no choice but to do so. As soon as he came on the scene there was pressure for the Post-Dispatch to step up their game and though they did so I'd say minimally. Carter's content has ALWAYS been better and it's always written and presented like he's not only knowledgeable, but passionate and actually hopes for the best for the program. They should have moved Carter to the Billiken beat a long time ago and put Stu in the fu**ing mail room, or at least some other area. I'm sick of him. you seem to miss the likely fact that the post people in charge couldnt care less about the billikens. most of the bigshots are probably mi$$ouri grads and still have a superiority issue with us. that all said, i agree with the poster yesterday that said stu is the best billiken beat writer in years. not ready to give him a major award in journalism, but he's better than what we are used to getting. until we are a significant D1 team wont change. i thought for sure this was a turning point season. appears it isnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 29 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: you seem to miss the likely fact that the post people in charge couldnt care less about the billikens. most of the bigshots are probably mi$$ouri grads and still have a superiority issue with us. that all said, i agree with the poster yesterday that said stu is the best billiken beat writer in years. not ready to give him a major award in journalism, but he's better than what we are used to getting. until we are a significant D1 team wont change. i thought for sure this was a turning point season. appears it isnt. The least smelly turd is still a turd. Give the job to Carter. Fu** Stu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: The least smelly turd is still a turd. Give the job to Carter. Fu** Stu. maybe they believe the job Carter has is more important than the Billikens right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Bills By 40 said: He acts as if he hates the Billikens. It's always a majority of highlighting negatives (granted there are often many negatives to choose from) and a minimal amount of reluctantly announcing the positives. His articles are often better than his social media presence but even in the articles I find that he doesn't do a good enough job at framing the highlights and accomplishments of the individuals or teams that he's covering. In fact I've seen examples of him (seemingly) intentionally spinning particular pieces of info in a manner that trivializes or demeans the significance of it...I most recently remember that about a soccer article this fall and there were more examples the further back we go. A trained monkey could be as good as Stu at his job if they were also granted the access that he is. Yes, he's gotten better, because the bar was set so very low. And it was set even lower by the many beat writers before him. But the biggest reason he's gotten better, invested more time and energy, and increased the quantity of his content is because Carter Chapley gave him no choice but to do so. As soon as he came on the scene there was pressure for the Post-Dispatch to step up their game and though they did so I'd say minimally. Carter's content has ALWAYS been better and it's always written and presented like he's not only knowledgeable, but passionate and actually hopes for the best for the program. They should have moved Carter to the Billiken beat a long time ago and put Stu in the fu**ing mail room, or at least some other area. I'm sick of him. Why don't you look Stu up at the game Saturday, sit with him, and tell him what he is doing wrong. Tell him how to do his job better. If you are serious, then do something rather than continually post your anonymous opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, CenHudDude said: If the late lquarles was still with us he would be having a field day on Billikens.com. RIP lquarles. We had the field day when we beat VCU. The troll was not wrong about our teams defense and a couple other topics but he was such an azz hat to the posters he had to go. He would not have a civil disagreement with anyone. I am ready to get back to a coach that teaches defense, rebounding and proper fundamentals of playing to kids that want to play that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: Why don't you look Stu up at the game Saturday, sit with him, and tell him what he is doing wrong. Tell him how to do his job better. If you are serious, then do something rather than continually post your anonymous opinion. While we're at it I might shove him in a locker, or give him a swirlie. That oughta get my point across. 1 hour ago, billiken_roy said: maybe they believe the job Carter has is more important than the Billikens right now. That may be true, but I get the impression that he'd be more interested in the Billiken position than the Cardinals one. I imagine the pay is comparable if not better if Stu has done it this long while raising a family. Maybe I'm wrong on both accounts, but I doubt Carter would continue doing as much as he does for SLU coverage on the side if he didn't truly love it that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laker119 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: While we're at it I might shove him in a locker, or give him a swirlie. That oughta get my point across. This made me laugh, more than it should have lol Bills By 40 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Light Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, CBFan said: I am ready to get back to a coach that teaches defense, rebounding and proper fundamentals of playing to kids that want to play that way. I am still waiting for the day Gibson gets in a proper defensive position. You know...knees bent, butt down, arms in a defensive position. It's been 4 seasons and that is Day 1 stuff. His defensive posture makes it appear he has scoliosis or something. If that can't be fixed in 4 years time it does make me question the coaching. It just does. Billikenbooster likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I think the criticism of STU and the Post is wrong. We were getting far more articles and coverage when we were supposed to be good. Little for Missouri. Now that that has flipped somewhat because they are winning and we aren't. If you win they will follow. slufanskip and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, willie said: I think the criticism of STU and the Post is wrong. We were getting far more articles and coverage when we were supposed to be good. Little for Missouri. Now that that has flipped somewhat because they are winning and we aren't. If you win they will follow. My complaints have nothing to do with quantity and Stu has nothing to do with Mizzou articles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: My complaints have nothing to do with quantity and Stu has nothing to do with Mizzou articles. So what are your complaints? And what space Stu gets does have something to do with Missouri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOne Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Bad news regarding Fred. When it rains it pours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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