wgstl Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Just now, Billikenbooster said: Gus was definitely in mid season form last night. Kept calling Parker sincer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, gobillsgo said: He also broke out his infamous “Checking in for UMSL: A bunch of guys” which gets a laugh out of exactly three people in the arena, and Gus is one of them. I chuckled when he said that and immediately hated myself for it. TheBand, SLUMedBilliken15 and gobillsgo like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, DeSmetBilliken said: I chuckled when he said that and immediately hated myself for it. Shame on you...... Isn't there some old crazy, boozy, person that loves the Bills, and actually knows the game, who could take that job??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Billikenbooster said: Gus was definitely in mid season form last night. I think between Perkins, Parker, and Pickett, with all also being around the same height, we are gonna see some steam coming out of his ears trying to figure it out. I expect him to regularly screw that up, and probably won’t care enough to correct himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I think Gus is starting to get old enough to forget what he wanted to say. I would vote for Andre to take over the job, assuming he wants it. AGB91 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, DeSmetBilliken said: I chuckled when he said that and immediately hated myself for it. i laughed now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I went to the game last night. After having time to digest it, here are some thoughts: * UMSL packed it in. They seemed to know they had a size disadantage and gave up threes for not allowing easy baskets inside. This helps explain Okoro's bad night. He was always double or triple teamed. It also explains why Thatch didn't look as effective at point. A point guard never looks special throwing to an open guy right next to him on the three point line compared to driving into the lane and making something happen. Let's not panic about Okoro or Thatch at the point based on last night. Also, in the second half, I think that Ford, knowing we were going to win and maybe not caring by how much, clearly told the guys to force the ball inside to our bigs. * Parker can score. However, he's just the same as the rest of our guys when he hits a few shots. He suddenly thinks he can hit everything he throws up and then starts missing. His defensive effort was decent. It's his positioning that needs improvement. * I thought all of the freshmen looked okay. That includes Hughes, Jr. I didn't see anything overly special from him. He hit two threes, which is great considering shooting is his thing. But, it was only 2-3 shooting. Nothing to draw huge conclusions over. Annointing him the backup point guard is way, way premature based on 15 minutes of play. * Yuri wasn't as good as he can be, but he still stuffed the stat sheet. No worries about him. * Forrester looked good. As many have pointed out, his best skill may be passing the ball from inside the lane. Still need to see how well he defends a quality big man. * Pickett is just solid all around. Solidly built enought to guard a bigger man. Solid play such that he was 4-6 in 18 minutes. He will be a guy we want in the line up more than we think right now. If the other team has a #4 that is really good, Pickett will have to be in to guard him. If the other team's stud is a guard, then it will be Thatch more often. * Jimerson was 4-7 from three in 26 minutes. The shots he took would be no different against better opponents. HenryB and CenHudDude like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Okoro was hurt last week and missed several straight days of practice. He might not be 100% at the moment. Or maybe he's back to full health and still shaking off the rust. This was a really early exhibition date. I didn't get to see the game as an out-of-towner but there's nothing I've seen, heard, or read that worries me about any individual player. My concerns are mostly about how they play as a unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, DeSmetBilliken said: He certainly didn’t credit the basket to Larry Hughes Jr, but I thought he said Kellen Thames. If he said a player or the other team, that’s an even bigger miss. He said king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, wgstl said: Kept calling Parker sincer BilliesBy40 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, 3star_recruit said: So I'm supposed to discard Okoro's season long numbers against real competition last year because he looked subpar against UMSL? I don't think so. Heck yes. Discard it all. Over reaction to 22 minutes of Okoro against a D2 team overrides all of last year. Having Thatch play Pg for 4 min in the first half is more than enough evidence that we are doomed if Yuri can’t go 40. cgeldmacher likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 38 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Heck yes. Discard it all. Over reaction to 22 minutes of Okoro against a D2 team overrides all of last year. Having Thatch play Pg for 4 min in the first half is more than enough evidence that we are doomed if Yuri can’t go 40. Hoosier thatch's poor point guard play last night was second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: He said king Fair enough. I didn’t grab one of the roster sheets because, and I quote myself “ I know who our players are and I don’t care who their players are” so I didn’t know who the UMSL players were. Lord Elrond likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, DeSmetBilliken said: Fair enough. I didn’t grab one of the roster sheets because, and I quote myself “ I know who our players are and I don’t care who their players are” so I didn’t know who the UMSL players were. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compton Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 7 hours ago, gobillsgo said: Hughes surprised me. I think he’ll get time this year. Smooth stroke (seems to have sped up the release a bit from HS). Might be our best secondary ball handler. Seems likely if the fact that he got more minutes than the rest of the Freshman combined is any indication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Hoosier thatch's poor point guard play last night was second half. OMG, we are DOOOOOMEEEEEEDDDDDD. Thatch played 6 min in the second half when Collins was on the bench....so max 10 min at PG. Cancel the season. Ford doesn't have any idea what he is doing. I'm impressed that this board has better talent evaluators than the SLU staff. Awesome. So you along with several other posters have written him off based on 10 minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, Compton said: Seems likely if the fact that he got more minutes than the rest of the Freshman combined is any indication. Junior had a strong second half in his senior season of high school and his been playing with more consistency ever since. The freshmen are competing to see who gets to play 5-7 min a game. In that scenario, Coach Ford probably values the player more who protects the basketball than the guy who plays better defense but is looser with the basketball. That's just where the competition stands now. If one of our future opponents exposes us defensively, I could easily see those minutes swinging Thames' or Kramer's way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: OMG, we are DOOOOOMEEEEEEDDDDDD. Thatch played 6 min in the second half when Collins was on the bench....so max 10 min at PG. Cancel the season. Ford doesn't have any idea what he is doing. I'm impressed that this board has better talent evaluators than the SLU staff. Awesome. So you along with several other posters have written him off based on 10 minutes? You seem like you’re a lot of fun at parties. No one has written off either Thatch or Okoro. And no one is claiming to be a better talent evaluator than Ford or any of the other coaches. Posters in this thread, including myself, are simply giving an account of the game last night for those who were unable to attend. And Thatch and Okoro were unimpressive, so I said that in my report. I’m not saying they should be cut from the roster. we’ve got some sensitive posters in this thread. CenHudDude, SLUMedBilliken15, dlarry and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I just didn't like seeing the go stand in the corner and wait for the ball offense again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, 3star_recruit said: Junior had a strong second half in his senior season of high school and his been playing with more consistency ever since. The freshmen are competing to see who gets to play 5-7 min a game. In that scenario, Coach Ford probably values the player more who protects the basketball than the guy who plays better defense but is looser with the basketball. That's just where the competition stands now. If one of our future opponents exposes us defensively, I could easily see those minutes swinging Thames' or Kramer's way. Barring a bunch of injuries I will be shocked if there is 5-7 minutes for the freshman unless we are blowing out everyone. slufan13 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenbooster Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 6 hours ago, gobillsgo said: I think between Perkins, Parker, and Pickett, with all also being around the same height, we are gonna see some steam coming out of his ears trying to figure it out. I expect him to regularly screw that up, and probably won’t care enough to correct himself. Plus 2 of them are “Javon’s” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 4 hours ago, HoosierPal said: OMG, we are DOOOOOMEEEEEEDDDDDD. Thatch played 6 min in the second half when Collins was on the bench....so max 10 min at PG. Cancel the season. Ford doesn't have any idea what he is doing. I'm impressed that this board has better talent evaluators than the SLU staff. Awesome. So you along with several other posters have written him off based on 10 minutes? There is nothing wrong with being a little concerned about the back up point guard position. Littlebill and slufan13 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 1 hour ago, willie said: Barring a bunch of injuries I will be shocked if there is 5-7 minutes for the freshman unless we are blowing out everyone. I tend to think you are right, providing someone emerges as a credible backup point guard. If not, I would not be surprised legend Jr emerges. Imo he was the surprise of the night Don't get me wrong he's not going to play 20+ mpg likely, but yuri isn't going to play 40 mpg either. Now who might emerge for those minutes? Maybe Fred just had a bad night Maybe while yuri rests the team defers to Perkins or Parker to be a college team version of James harden or what Westbrook used to be. But I wouldn't write off all the freshmen yet. dlarry likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 I am not concerned as to who gets mop up minutes in the OCC. I am not concerned about who mans the point in regular season games. We all know who that is. What concerns me is who is thrust into the role due to foul trouble or injury and has to play our point for more than half the game. Hopefully, as Ben Fred said in his article, Saint Louis can avoid the bad mojo that has seemed to plague us these last few years of the Ford regime. No injury, no worries. The same is the case across the A10. Smith at Dayton. Fernandes at Umass. Baldwin at VCU. Loyer at Davidson. It's all part of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 16 hours ago, dlarry said: There is nothing wrong with being a little concerned about the back up point guard position. I totally agree. I just don't think that concern should be based on a few minutes of time that Thatch was at PG during the UMSL game when we were clearly trying to force the ball inside to get our bigs some work. If you were concerned about it before Monday, or not, Monday should not have done much for your opinion. dlarry likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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