BrockL Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: It's been that way for a while.......if you want to watch/read something quaint, try "all the president's men" All the time they spent verifying sources is a bad joke today. Rachel Maddow would've been on the air with the first whiff of watergate, even if the source was the McGovern campaign...... There sure are a lot of self-appointed journalism experts on here. You fellas ever work in a newsroom? Just curious where this expertise is coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, BrockL said: There sure are a lot of self-appointed journalism experts on here. You fellas ever work in a newsroom? Just curious where this expertise is coming from. I have eyes and ears and the experience of 50+ years walking this earth...... slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 42 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: so a "journalist" is ok if they put out rumors and unsubstantiated information? if that is true in todays journalism, journalism truly is dead. the good ole days a story didnt make the news unless there were two verified sources. that's not needed anymore i guess. in fact nothing has to be verified i guess. and then it's just reader/viewer/listener beware. Like I said, Gardner isn't a journalist. Chapley is. Chapley didn't write an article or post his own tweet about the party. He re-tweeted Gardner's tweet and put a disclaimer on it that he hadn't verified anything. You can clearly see Brooks Ford in the pictures and they are clearly screengrabs from his social media account. I'm not sure what sources Carter needed to retweet something & clearly state that he hasn't verified anything. I hope you know this by now, but you should be independently verifying anything you read on a message board or social media with a reputable source (or really multiple reputable sources) before believing it regardless of the source or who the source appears to be. It has always been reader beware when it comes to the internet. Littlebill and hmart23 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: I have eyes and ears and the experience of 50+ years walking this earth...... i have eyes and ears and nearly 7 decades, journalism is non existent' Old guy and slufanskip like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, dennis_w said: i have eyes and ears and nearly 7 decades, journalism is non existent' No degree in journalism? Pffft.......so you're just a slightly older mbm like me....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: No degree in journalism? Pffft.......so you're just a slightly older mbm like me....... 15 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: No degree in journalism? Pffft.......so you're just a slightly older mbm like me....... yes,mbm i am. i read newspapers for decades until they became unreadable. now i just read billikens.com slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, billiken_roy said: so a "journalist" is ok if they put out rumors and unsubstantiated information? if that is true in todays journalism, journalism truly is dead. the good ole days a story didnt make the news unless there were two verified sources. that's not needed anymore i guess. in fact nothing has to be verified i guess. and then it's just reader/viewer/listener beware. Those days are long gone. Rumors, opinions, and unsubstantiated information is 95% of journalism today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, dennis_w said: yes,mbm i am. i read newspapers for decades until they became unreadable. now i just read billikens.com If you want PROOF as to how bad and meaningless the current level of "journalism" has become, just look at the daily PD or your local daily newspaper and note how few pages it has, and how free of advertisement it has become. This is not only for print media. CNN is close to bankruptcy and looking for a buyer. In a short phrase, crap does not sell well. I do not need to buy or read crap, neither does anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, BrockL said: There sure are a lot of self-appointed journalism experts on here. You fellas ever work in a newsroom? Just curious where this expertise is coming from. Brock, while I have never worked in a newsroom, I have spent my entire career drafting and reviewing written materials. As a SLU alum it concerns me that a very recent Masters in Communications grad cannot even write a decent short, one-paragraph bio on his "media" website. Chapley describes himself thus; He most recently was "a the lead" (what is a the lead?) Beat writer (small w) at ScoopswithDannyMac.com. Prior to that he was a Staff Writer (Cap W) for the University News.... I'm not certain if "writer" should have a capital "W" or not, but I am certain that it needs to be the same based on the way it is used in this bio. By the way, this paragraph has been unchanged for quite a while. If I was trying to use a website to secure business, I think I would make sure that it was correct and professional in appearance. I think I would also make sure that in March 2021 my most recent website article was not written almost 4 months ago. As for his only apparent media-related employment at Scoops, I couldn't find any references to any recent Chapley input or to him as a staff member. So, as stated above, I have never worked in a newsroom, but it seems like that is something that Chapley and I have in common. The one difference is, I don't hold myself out as a media source, just another MBM whose tweets do not continue to appear on the front page of Billikens.com. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 20 hours ago, majerus mojo said: JB has exceeded most expectations since he’s taken over as Gov. This is the second or third time you’ve whined about him on the board this week. Shut up Still waiting for your evidence of me posting the two or three times I’ve mentioned the governor of Illinois this past week. Did I forget? Or did you make it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, Old guy said: If you want PROOF as to how bad and meaningless the current level of "journalism" has become, just look at the daily PD or your local daily newspaper and note how few pages it has, and how free of advertisement it has become. This is not only for print media. CNN is close to bankruptcy and looking for a buyer. In a short phrase, crap does not sell well. I do not need to buy or read crap, neither does anyone else. CNN is owned by AT&T. While they would probably like to get rid of it bankruptcy is not an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I have the degree and enough time in grade to be a journalist from both sides of the aisle. My major problem is typing ---- I lead the league in typos and unforced errors. Journalism doesn't exist anymore. Kind of like song artists and movie producers. Who needs that when you can rap and/or shoot on an Iphone, Maybe even start your own blog or something. Hey, it worked for Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, Joe Lunardi and Jerry Palm. And now there is the rush to reveal it first so you get credit for being first. Being first is more important than actually being correct. Whoever advocated checking multiple sources before conclusion is right on. We all know Wikipedia is wrong all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 hours ago, willie said: CNN is owned by AT&T. While they would probably like to get rid of it bankruptcy is not an option. Wrong you are in this one Willie. Large corporations can have divisions that produce nothing but losses and give them bad reputations. They become a burden both financial and otherwise. ATT is not doing great as far as I know. Sure, they are BIG but they have lots of debt and a number of divisions that just do not perform as expected. They can play with the junk divisions for as long as the money holds, but money is not forever. Lehman Bros and NY Central found out this truth some time ago. You either turn around the non performing areas or get rid of them, no other options available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The disconnect between the message board set and social media set has never been in more stark focus. hmart23 and stmdragons like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Old guy said: Wrong you are in this one Willie. Large corporations can have divisions that produce nothing but losses and give them bad reputations. They become a burden both financial and otherwise. ATT is not doing great as far as I know. Sure, they are BIG but they have lots of debt and a number of divisions that just do not perform as expected. They can play with the junk divisions for as long as the money holds, but money is not forever. Lehman Bros and NY Central found out this truth some time ago. You either turn around the non performing areas or get rid of them, no other options available. CNN is minuscule in the AT&T structure. It was acquired as part of the Time Warner acquisition. Yes they would probably like to divest them because it doesn’t fit but no bankruptcy is not an option. While T has been an underperforming asset it is a huge and profitable company with investment grade debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 There are LOTS of very large companies with very large caps, lots of debt and many non performing divisions that just do not do well and over time sink slowly. Probably a good example of that was Sears which basically refused to die until it was dead. Sears at one point was very inventive, for example they created Discover (the credit card) which they got rid of, at one time they were into retail brokerage. The problem with Sears was its management and it was a problem they had until they died. ATT in well started in the downward spiral. I think it is just a matter of time. And if they find no buyer for CNN they will probably close it down. Another example of a poorly run company that is or was a giant, at least some time ago, is GE. Size and money is only part of the equation, with s top management that consistently makes bad decisions they go down the tubes sooner or later. In my opinion ATT is in that category and keeping CNN alive is not a good decision. My point in the initial post was that crap does not sell as news. And this IS true, although ATT may keep the division dangling on life support that would be better spent trying to turn around their main businesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 hours ago, BigMouthBilliken said: Still waiting for your evidence of me posting the two or three times I’ve mentioned the governor of Illinois this past week. Did I forget? Or did you make it up? Lol.. get a grip dude. If you’re begging here’s another billiken_roy and BilliesBy40 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, majerus mojo said: Lol.. get a grip dude. If you’re begging here’s another Ok one time. Seems like you were off a few times in your count. It appears my post from 11 days ago really struck a nerve with you. Sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 59 minutes ago, BigMouthBilliken said: Ok one time. Seems like you were off a few times in your count. It appears my post from 11 days ago really struck a nerve with you. Sad This seems hard for you. I said this is the second or third time you’ve whined about JB, and provided a second example upon your repeated requests.... L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 This board has already checked into off-season mode Billiken Rich likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 7 hours ago, majerus mojo said: This seems hard for you. I said this is the second or third time you’ve whined about JB, and provided a second example upon your repeated requests.... L You said the second or third time “this week.” Since you care about semantics just wanted to show the posts were 11 days apart. So I’m averaging 1 post a week about JB over the last two weeks so you can adjust your official count in your diary. Sorry I hurt your feelings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 16 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: I think we’re going to get into Billiken gossip mostly. Really focus in on off the court rumors and salacious pictures of players that we can take out of context. Just stay away from Grandy Glaze SUPER HOLE SPREADER content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Box and Won said: Just stay away from Grandy Glaze SUPER HOLE SPREADER content. Shouldn’t you be supporting the alumni if this esteemed university? So, if you are a fan of VCU, St. Bonaventure, Mizzou, or just a random troll, there is some required content posted by Grandy Glaze. If you watch these videos, and pay for them, you will understand everything about basketball. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, AnkielBreakers said: Shouldn’t you be supporting the alumni if this esteemed university? So, if you are a fan of VCU, St. Bonaventure, Mizzou, or just a random troll, there is some required content posted by Grandy Glaze. If you watch these videos, and pay for them, you will understand everything about basketball. Good luck! 8 minutes ago, Box and Won said: Just stay away from Grandy Glaze SUPER HOLE SPREADER content. I’m going to be honest on this one. I’ve gone back and forth in my head more times than I care to admit on wether or not I should try to interview him. Should I put it to a board vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crymdg2 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: I’m going to be honest on this one. I’ve gone back and forth in my head more times than I care to admit on wether or not I should try to interview him. Should I put it to a board vote? I think it'd probably be a pretty entertaining back and forth, but having said that....No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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