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Bess is one of them.

Isabell shot .340 from 3 last season, averaging 1.8/5.3 per game. Wiley shot .367, going 1.3/3.5. Bess: .270, 0.7/2.7. Goodwin: .235, 0.7/3.1. We add Hankton, Gudmundsson, Thatch, and Jacobs as the other guys who'll shoot it from the perimeter (with the occasional big man 3). So yeah, on paper, this is not a good perimeter shooting team. When you combine the above makes and attempts, the four veterans would make 4.5/14.6 per game, for .308. However, I'm counting on all four of those guys to show improvement from there, and the four freshmen to get some good looks. Defenses could pack it in on us last year and not give Goodwin as much room to operate. With a shortened roster, we had tired legs, especially as the season wore on. Goodwin had that unreal early-season cold streak. Isabell will not have the usage rate he did at Drexel. He's a dynamic player but hopefully he doesn't feel the need to shoot it as much as he did there, and if he's more patient with his looks, I'd look for that .340 to go up a couple percent. I know Wiley sees himself as more than a shooter, which is kind of the role he fell into at Maryland, and that he can also let the looks come to him. We talked earlier this week about how Ford has only had one team above .350 from three, and I think that is a reasonable goal. Bess and Goodwin can't be below .300 again, Isabell and Wiley should both be above .350, and here's hoping the freshmen can emerge as shooting threats. This is the one area where Johnson is a tough loss.

i dont want all the local kids. just the best of them.

To heck with #22. We need to go after #5 in blue. Now that is a true Billiiken.

With you all the way on 3 point shooting. We were something like 314th last year for shooting from afar. We lost our best three point shooter (Johnson hit 43% in conference play) and our second best shooter in Roby. One way to look at the new team is comparing overall shooting versus conference play shooting. Bess was 27% overall and 26% in conference play. He has had two years under Izzo and two under Ford to improve his shot, so I'm not looking for much improvement. Bess won't be taking as many three pointers as last year, so maybe 30% is doable. Goodwin was 23.5% overall but a huge jump to 34.4% in conference. He certainly can be written in for 35%. Isabell was 34% and 36.7% in conference. So a slight improvement there. 35%, yeah. Wiley was 36.7% and 36.7%. That's consistent. Mark him down for 36.7% this season. And no one wants to count Welmer. He finished his one season at 37.1%. If he can replicate that, it is icing on the cake. Freshmen - who knows. In HS ball, passive zone defenses and/or 5'6" man to man perimeter defenders leave shooters wide open. In AAU ball, defense is all but taboo. Hopefully one of the four will rise to the occasion and be a long range sniper off the bench. A team average of 35% would have been in the neighborhood of 175th last season in the NCAA. I'd take that.

Our lack of 3 point shooting may keep us from making a deep run the NCAA tournament, but it won't have any impact on a down A10 conference.

If you want a reason to be optimistic about Goodwin from 3 in the upcoming season look at his conference 3 point shooting numbers.

Nobody goes there anymore from 4-6pm on Fridays. It’s too crowded.

This is something I think is underrated regarding TF giving out so many offers. Here we have a kid that's probably one and done or straight to the NBA tweeting Blessed and honored to receive an offer from SLU. It's free advertising from a kid other players look up to. How many times did we see tweets like that or our name even out there with kids like this

Confirmed that they did not register a block against Wake Forest in that 1995 NCAA Tournament game. Your hunch is indeed correct. Duncan, however, had 3 blocks in that game, and I bet at least one was on Robinson (who finished with 12 and 10, not bad). Duncan, by the way, had such a Duncan game: 25 points (9-12, 7-11), 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2 assists, and a steal. Highmark and Clagget went 8-24 from 3, each hitting 4 of them. Waldman was brutal, going 1-10 from the field and 0-8 from 3. Harris was the only SLU player to get to the FT line, going 2-4; he also had 15 boards. 33 blocks and a 299th place finish in back-to-back seasons in 1994 and 1995. Pretty amazing. Those were good teams, too. Just didn't play big. Donnie Campbell led them with 8 blocks in the 1993-1994 campaign.

On the other end of the spectrum, the 1994-1995 NCAA team had a total of 33 blocks, lead by David Robinson's season total of 8. (I doubt if any of those were against Tim Duncan.) That team also shot 38.9% from the arc, lead by H at 42.7% and Claggett at 41.9%

2 categories the 2018-2019 team should be SLU's all time leader in: blocks and dunks. Does anyone know if SLU keeps dunk records? They must somewhere, because I've seen tweets before about dunk leaders in Chaifetz. But I can't find anything publicly. Block numbers go back to 1986. SLU's five best shot blocking teams: 2017-2018: 146 blocks (46th in D-I), led by French (59). 2013-2014: 138 (101st), Loe (41), Manning (33). 2009-2010: 169 (28th), Reed (73). All three of these are school records - total blocks, rank among D-I colleges in blocks, and individual blocks in a season. 2006-2007: 142 (51st), Vouyoukas (57). 1999-2000: 126 (66th), Tatum (29), Heinrich (28), Baniak (23). I see no reason why this upcoming team won't challenge that record set in 2010, and if I had to guess, this team is going to take it. French is back, we add Santos (0.8 BPG in 17.1 MPG as a sophomore) and Gordon (2.0 BPG as a senior), we have good sized guards, and we should play more than 33 games this year. 146 blocks / 33 games last year = 4.42 BPG, which I think they should be able to beat. 169/36 in 2010 = 4.69 BPG, so there you have it: 4.7 blocks per game in a 36-game season would do it. That team crapped out in the conference tournament, losing to Rhody in their first game, but they got 5 games in the CBI. Another cleaner way to look at it: 5 BPG in a 34-game schedule gets them to 170 and the record. This should easily be SLU's best dunking team of all time but I can't back that up with numbers at this point.

I let my inner Old Guy out in this thread at the beginning of last year... I have personal experience with this kind of adaptation and just know a decent amount about the human visual system.

-did he miss a 3 in any of the videos released so far? no -did neighbor Dave say anything about him missing a 3 during his visit to practice? no -he may never miss again

He also had the shoulder surgery that cut his Sr year of HS ball short. I'd imagine that might have had lingering effects on his shot. I'm sure there was also some normal adjustments to the speed & better defense of college players. There is plenty of reasons to believe Goodwin will improve his overall %s compared to last year, but like Hoosier outlined I'm not so sure about expecting improvements from any others.

I think his change to contacts took some time to adjust with his shot and had a direct effect on his percentage. Maybe @Old guy can give us some facts on the human body's adjustments to eyewear, associated with hand eye coordination.

Collins made the right call in opting for surgery now. He'll be at full strength later in the HS season, and more importantly, when he arrives on a college campus in the spring/summer. He may lose the chance to be evaluated a couple more times this month, but I'm wondering if his shoulder was a factor in his disappointing Peach Jam.

His shooting actually picked up a little before conference season. Goodwin started the year 3/38 from 3 pt land (7.9%). On 12/16 vs Oregon State he shot 3/6 and was better from there shooting 16/43 (37.2%).

Stu is bringing some recruiting nuggets about Yuri today...

Dominate the boards and you get more shots, so the shooting percentage doesnt have to be as high to increase scoring. rebound and defend= wins

It's amazing how much better you can shoot from three when teams have to be concerned about your post game. We should have a lot of wide open looks this year. Additionally, we should be a top 10 team this year in ft attempts. I'm more concerned about how we shoot them.

We have a beefy big 10 style front court and are dealing with A10 officiating. Hopefully we don't see too many games where the A10 zebras put the other team in the bonus by the first media time out.

The one where gloryravs isn’t

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Good call (assuming you are referring to J McGraugh's). Their buffalo chicken salad is the best!

Southtown Pub. With any of their sauces on the side.

Not sure if you can call him a forward but Harry Rodgers is an all time Billiken great whether he was on the All Century Team or not.Harry is top 5 all time in my book.

Fμck the lame, monotonous, off season basketball conversation, I want more OT pizza and fishing talk!

He is already practicing calling Carteare daddy.

Just throwing my two cents in, but I played soccer and basketball with rec-specs through college - yes, I was THAT guy. I still have the same lenses/prescription for my goggles as I had from when I was a Sophomore in high school, even though the prescription continued to change for my normal, everyday glasses... I shoot/play/do everything better in my rec-specs. Begin Old Guy monologue/ The human visual system readily adapts, and if your eyes are used to seeing the basketball court with 20/40 vision, that's what the rest of you comes to expect. If Goodwin has played his whole life without corrected vision, everything he's done on the court has trained him to compensate for it. Now that he finally has corrected his vision, it will undoubtedly take some time for his muscle memory to catch up and stop compensating. Even in normal circumstances, it can take days to weeks to adjust to a new prescription (which is why you aren't supposed to drive home from the optometrist). To re-train your fine and gross motor skills to the level required of a high-level athlete could take on the order of months. Combine this with a shoulder surgery, as is the case for Goodwin, and you have an additional hurdle. /end Old Guy monologue