billiken_roy Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 the answer has been and still is "H". SLU_Lax likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 15 hours ago, NoCoBillsFan said: The real question is who will you put on your profile picture if he does in fact leave? The shareholders are conducting meetings to brainstorm exactly this. It's a big decision to rebrand the entire company but it looks like it must be done!! : ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, 2010andBeyond said: Yuri is very good, but imo Mitchell was better and I never considered Kwamain one of the best in the nation so I have a hard time coming to that conclusion with Yuri. Yuri is a unique player and may be one of the best passers in the nation but I wouldn’t consider him one of the best couple of PGs 18 minutes ago, cheeseman said: Good points and besides where has Yuri taken us - not even close to KM. Now that being said, we are in trouble now that he left unless Ford pulls a rabbit out of his hat. Kwamain was my favorite Billiken of all time, until the day I saw Yuri play. I suspected he'd be special and if he had another year (specifically this upcoming one) by god this wouldn't even be a conversation anymore - except maybe for some of you old heads that like to die by anything nostalgic. He's the best passer in the country, and that was proven last year. Not only with his assists total or average but with the level of difficulty in those passes. 19 in one game speaks volumes, and he had 14 points that game too. He averaged over 11 points per game to go with >4 rebounds and 1.9 steals, too, which speaks to his great defense. KM had different circumstances. Better surrounding cast than Yuri had last year. Better coach (by a lot, and that's not a slight at Ford). No global pandemic wiping out 90% of the team and like half the season. Best years were when he was 22 and 23 years old...aka Yuri's next two years. MusicCityBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: Kwamain was my favorite Billiken of all time, until the day I saw Yuri play. I suspected he'd be special and if he had another year (specifically this upcoming one) by god this wouldn't even be a conversation anymore - except maybe for some of you old heads that like to die by anything nostalgic. He's the best passer in the country, and that was proven last year. Not only with his assists total or average but with the level of difficulty in those passes. 19 in one game speaks volumes, and he had 14 points that game too. He averaged over 11 points per game to go with >4 rebounds and 1.9 steals, too, which speaks to his great defense. KM had different circumstances. Better surrounding cast than Yuri had last year. Better coach (by a lot, and that's not a slight at Ford). No global pandemic wiping out 90% of the team and like half the season. Best years were when he was 22 and 23 years old...aka Yuri's next two years. Kwamain was a 2 guard or could be called a combo. He never averaged 4 assists per game and had a career asst/to ratio under 1.5 He also never had a season with more steals than Yuri had last year. it’s really not even a discussion, the needle is pegged in Yuri!s favor. It’s not close Bills By 40 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: Kwamain was my favorite Billiken of all time, until the day I saw Yuri play. I suspected he'd be special and if he had another year (specifically this upcoming one) by god this wouldn't even be a conversation anymore - except maybe for some of you old heads that like to die by anything nostalgic. He's the best passer in the country, and that was proven last year. Not only with his assists total or average but with the level of difficulty in those passes. 19 in one game speaks volumes, and he had 14 points that game too. He averaged over 11 points per game to go with >4 rebounds and 1.9 steals, too, which speaks to his great defense. KM had different circumstances. Better surrounding cast than Yuri had last year. Better coach (by a lot, and that's not a slight at Ford). No global pandemic wiping out 90% of the team and like half the season. Best years were when he was 22 and 23 years old...aka Yuri's next two years. Bottom line is important. I am not so sure that KM's supporting cast was all that much better. I agree coaching was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, cheeseman said: Bottom line is important. I am not so sure that KM's supporting cast was all that much better. I agree coaching was better. Mitchell had McCall and Jett to help out with playmaking responsibilities. Yuri had Deandre Jones. That's why his usage rate was through the roof. The only player ahead of Yuri in the point guard discussion is H. Next year the baton would have been passed. Yuri would have been on the preseason Wooden Award list, he would have become the all-time A10 assists leader and we would have landed two Billikens on the conference first team. The fact that money wiped all that away just breaks your heart. cheeseman and Littlebill like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Mitchell had McCall and Jett to help out with a playmaking responsibilities. Yuri had DeAndre Jones. That's why his usage rate was through the roof. The only player ahead of Yuri in the point guard discussion is H. Next year the baton would have been passed. Yuri would have been on the preseason Wooden Award list, he would have become the all-time A10 assists leader and we would have landed two Billikens on the conference first team. The fact that money wiped all the that away just breaks your heart. Let's not forget that the man is on pace to break the all-time NCAA assists record...that shouldn't be taken lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, cheeseman said: Bottom line is important. I am not so sure that KM's supporting cast was all that much better. I agree coaching was better. If you compare KM's teams to Yuri's 2020-2021 squad, I give the nod to Yuri's squad. But that was taken away by Covid. If you compare either of Yuri's other teams I give the nod to KM's teams. JJ, McCall, Loe, Evans, Conklin, Ellis, guys like Cassity or Barnett who were killer role players, Cory Remekun. Specifically the 2011-2012 team was much better. 2020-2021 squad could've been the best team in recent memory if the whole team hadn't been hit by a train. MusicCityBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I wouldn't put him as the best, but I always was a big fan of Charles Newberry, think he was under appreciated on those NIT teams Billikenbooster, MusicCityBilliken, pakapablo and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pakapablo Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, BLIKNS said: I wouldn't put him as the best, but I always was a big fan of Charles Newberry, think he was under appreciated on those NIT teams Don't know about best but Charles Newberry is my all time favorite. He was fun to watch. There was something cool (not temperature) about his style of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I’d like to change my vote….again. BILLS324, JettFlight5 and BuiltFordBills like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 This isn't a question anymore. There might be some great Billikens at the top but they're all behind Yuri "Bad Motherf**ker" Collins. SLUMedBilliken15 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Let's look at it in a different way. How many Billiken PGs have ever made it to a spot in the NBA. Jordan Goodwin is about to achieve this level. Anyone else. Yuri still has some time to go before it can be determined if he makes it to the NBA or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 30 minutes ago, Old guy said: Let's look at it in a different way. How many Billiken PGs have ever made it to a spot in the NBA. Jordan Goodwin is about to achieve this level. Anyone else. Yuri still has some time to go before it can be determined if he makes it to the NBA or not. Let's look at it in a different way - kiss my @$$. Billiken Rich and SLUMedBilliken15 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Old guy said: Let's look at it in a different way. How many Billiken PGs have ever made it to a spot in the NBA. Jordan Goodwin is about to achieve this level. Anyone else. Yuri still has some time to go before it can be determined if he makes it to the NBA or not. Let’s look at it a different way, we cannot see backward from the end of time, so we cannot know if he is the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Bills By 40 said: Let's look at it in a different way - kiss my @$$. as much as i like goodwin, he made the nba because of improvements after he left, he was a very mediocre shooter to the detriment of the billikens at time. anyway are we discussing billiken point guards or former billikens in the nba? goodwins assets as a billiken was not as a point guard imo rgbilliken and slufanskip like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Old guy said: Let's look at it in a different way. How many Billiken PGs have ever made it to a spot in the NBA. Jordan Goodwin is about to achieve this level. Anyone else. Yuri still has some time to go before it can be determined if he makes it to the NBA or not. Why would we look at their NBA career when judging what they did in college? Christian Laettner is the best college player Duke has ever had but his pro career looks like crap compared to Jayson Tatum. They are two different games. Collins making or not making the NBA has zero to do with his place as a Billiken great. Bills By 40, almaman, slufanskip and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On the contrary, people that play sports in college do not visualize their years in college other than as a step in their career. The ones that succeed go to the NBA, or the NFL or other professional leagues. Besides from a college's point of view having an alum of their program with an active successful career in the NBA can be of great importance to the program. I see no reason not to extend the term Billiken to those that have made it into the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, Old guy said: On the contrary, people that play sports in college do not visualize their years in college other than as a step in their career. The ones that succeed go to the NBA, or the NFL or other professional leagues. Besides from a college's point of view having an alum of their program with an active successful career in the NBA can be of great importance to the program. I see no reason not to extend the term Billiken to those that have made it into the NBA. BuiltFordBills, SLU_Lax, slufanskip and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 54 minutes ago, dlarry said: I didn’t know that all players in college simply view their college careers as a steppingstone to a pro career. We’ve had a load of players who’s entire careers were wasted. Kinda sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenbooster Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 4/22/2022 at 11:20 AM, pakapablo said: Don't know about best but Charles Newberry is my all time favorite. He was fun to watch. There was something cool (not temperature) about his style of play. Out of reactions, sorry. Newberry was so cool and unemotional about his play. On my gavorite all-time Billiken teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 54 minutes ago, slufanskip said: I didn’t know that all players in college simply view their college careers as a steppingstone to a pro career. We’ve had a load of players who’s entire careers were wasted. Kinda sad And a lot of lawyers graduate each year that wind up becoming tennis pros, or horticulturists. Life does not work as people imagine it will, people go in different directions when something does not work out. Kind of sad indeed c'est la vie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 I'd still give it to H who could shoot. Yuri has some improvement to be had in that area but he is gaining. Also H got to three NCAA games. Yuri not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 If Mr Collins stays next year he needs to average about 7 1/2 rebounds a game to become the all time D-1 career assist leader. think he's 487 away from the needed 1077. We can watch him climb this list when he's back from this tournament. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/ast-player-career.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Taj79 said: I'd still give it to H who could shoot. Yuri has some improvement to be had in that area but he is gaining. Also H got to three NCAA games. Yuri not yet. I don’t get the un love for Yuri. I agree with Travis “Best Point Guard in the country” . He obviously proved last night that he can score. Only deficiency I see is he gets posted up by taller guards. Best true point guard in my long Billiken history by a mile. I think the board is guilty of being nostalgic. rgbilliken, slufanskip, SLUMedBilliken15 and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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