wgstl Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, hmart23 said: I think they're saying both hurt. I don't think they're disagreeing with you Exactly. I’m saying no matter how slu spins this, attendance will be an issue until cases are low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmart23 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, wgstl said: Exactly. I’m saying no matter how slu spins this, attendance will be an issue until cases are low. ahh got it. Yeah I just don't see us getting more fans until March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, hmart23 said: ahh got it. Yeah I just don't see us getting more fans until March every game televised, various mandates, enforced not enforced, high priced low quality concessions, all this leaves little incentive to attend, i dont see attendance coming back much this year wgstl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, dennis_w said: every game televised, various mandates, enforced not enforced, high priced low quality concessions, all this leaves little incentive to attend, i dont see attendance coming back much this year And here I thought Guy Philips was the sole reason for the dip in attendance. Fraz likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: And here I thought Guy Philips was the sole reason for the dip in attendance. that too brianstl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, dennis_w said: that too You do know Guy hasn’t been there the last 2 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, willie said: You do know Guy hasn’t been there the last 2 games. Shhhh. You'll jinx it. RUBillsFan and brianstl like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Shhhh. You'll jinx it. Apparently he had a knee replacement, so may be out for a little while longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, willie said: You do know Guy hasn’t been there the last 2 games. I really don’t pay attention to the public address announcer or the excessively loud time out entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/15/2022 at 5:51 PM, Bay Area Billiken said: https://twitter.com/studurando/status/1482490499147698179?s=21 I can’t believe this tweet hasn’t been discussed more. Sounds a bit discouraging to me, but maybe I’m reading too much into it. SLU1818 and Coach314 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I just read the long discussion about regulations and attendance levels at the Chaifetz. In reality, it does not matter what the reason for the low attendance is (I assume there are multiple reasons), what really matters is the level of revenue generated by the Chaifetz. I have no idea if the Chaifetz has a full schedule of non sports performances this year or not, nor the level of attendance to these other events. Prior to Covid the Chaifetz had a much higher attendance levels for basketball games, and a reasonably full schedule of non sports performances and events. I believe it generated significant level of yearly profits. After Covid hit, this does not appear to be the case. From a numbers point of view, the Chaifetz needs to be paid for a certain % of the seats available for any event they hold (whether the seats are occupied or not, like it happens when someone with paid season tickets does not show up) in order to cover the fixed costs associated with holding an event and maintaining the arena. Again, I have no idea what this % may be but suspect that an average attendance level of 4000 to 5000 people does not cover expenses. This is both bad and not sustainable in a long term basis. dennis_w likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatskablamo Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/15/2022 at 2:51 PM, billikenbill said: Yes. Way overhyped. Dana Altman must have saw something… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 The fact that Guy is still there tells me that SLU still isn’t serious about sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 12 hours ago, wgstl said: denial? What? Lol. You sorta just answered this convo for me. You’re saying 1/4 is not vaxxed, so only a quarter of ppl are not going to be happy with the requirements to watch SLU. Are you aware that’s there’s also a large bunch( SLUs crowd as an older crowd) who don’t want to be around ppl who are not vaxxed? only a quarter?????????? that's a substantial number....unreal the thought process...how about giving up a quarter of your income, would you notice it????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Old guy said: I just read the long discussion about regulations and attendance levels at the Chaifetz. In reality, it does not matter what the reason for the low attendance is (I assume there are multiple reasons), what really matters is the level of revenue generated by the Chaifetz. I have no idea if the Chaifetz has a full schedule of non sports performances this year or not, nor the level of attendance to these other events. Prior to Covid the Chaifetz had a much higher attendance levels for basketball games, and a reasonably full schedule of non sports performances and events. I believe it generated significant level of yearly profits. After Covid hit, this does not appear to be the case. From a numbers point of view, the Chaifetz needs to be paid for a certain % of the seats available for any event they hold (whether the seats are occupied or not, like it happens when someone with paid season tickets does not show up) in order to cover the fixed costs associated with holding an event and maintaining the arena. Again, I have no idea what this % may be but suspect that an average attendance level of 4000 to 5000 people does not cover expenses. This is both bad and not sustainable in a long term basis. I know that the parking fees for games and all concessions go to retire the bond. I have no idea how the financials work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowry Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 21 hours ago, cheeseman said: All I know is that a friend of mine worked at that table and it is a just few rows away from where I sit. I always talked to him before games and I did not see him there at any of the games so far. When he told me about them being moved he did not say when that happened but when I did see him sort of my accident a few games ago and asked why they were moved he told what I posted. Now maybe I should have inquired more but it really wasn't that big of a deal to me. Guess we sit close to each other. I wondered why they took the tables away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: only a quarter?????????? that's a substantial number....unreal the thought process...how about giving up a quarter of your income, would you notice it????? You keep missing exactly what I’m saying, and I’m starting to believe it’s on purpose. If it was just a quarter you’d be right. It’s not, you’re missing the counter side of that which helps offset those numbers - which is my point. look you’re picking a fight with some who is not happy about the mandate and the protocols, I think it’s stupid. But it’s annoying hearing biased people from both sides on this issue. RUBillsFan, Billikenbooster and Ironbills like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgbilliken Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 17 hours ago, CenHudDude said: Aha! I’m a week ahead of myself. I wondered why I wasn’t hearing any more smack talk. Thanks. Don't worry. Win or lose I'll be posting a very detailed recap. brianstl likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, wgstl said: You keep missing exactly what I’m saying, and I’m starting to believe it’s on purpose. If it was just a quarter you’d be right. It’s not, you’re missing the counter side of that which helps offset those numbers - which is my point. look you’re picking a fight with some who is not happy about the mandate and the protocols, I think it’s stupid. But it’s annoying hearing biased people from both sides on this issue. all i did is present the facts, and you dismissed them...were you trying to pick a fight???? here are some more facts, continued low attendance is going to be detrimental to the success of the Billiken basketball program going forward...i hope you are as understanding when that happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: all i did is present the facts, and you dismissed them...were you trying to pick a fight???? here are some more facts, continued low attendance is going to be detrimental to the success of the Billiken basketball program going forward...i hope you are as understanding when that happens... No doubt low attendance is bad for the program, but you haven't presented anything other than anecdotal evidence of yourself and couple other MBMs who are unhappy with the vaccine mandates to show that the vaccine mandates are the reason for poor attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A10Ref Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said: No doubt low attendance is bad for the program, but you haven't presented anything other than anecdotal evidence of yourself and couple other MBMs who are unhappy with the vaccine mandates to show that the vaccine mandates are the reason for poor attendance. Attendance is down across the board. Every school, outside the perennial sell-out schools, is feeling this. I watched a great Big 12 game the other night, two well-above .500 schools, and there were about 2-4k people in the stands. Fraz, RUBillsFan, slufanskip and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: all i did is present the facts, and you dismissed them...were you trying to pick a fight???? here are some more facts, continued low attendance is going to be detrimental to the success of the Billiken basketball program going forward...i hope you are as understanding when that happens... None of that are facts lol. Those are called opinions. Ironbills and RUBillsFan like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, wgstl said: None of that are facts lol. Those are called opinions. slu could put this to rest by telling us how many cancelled their tickets, if very few that would be an endorsement of their vax rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, dennis_w said: slu could put this to rest by telling us how many cancelled their tickets, if very few that would be an endorsement of their vax rules I wish they would so we could know, but there’s no reason for them to do that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgbilliken Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 @BIG BILL FAN i don't think anyone is disputing that vaccine mandates are one reason attendance is lower. It obviously is causing some fans not to attend who would've attended otherwise. People are just pointing out that the reverse is also true that there are some people who wouldn't attend before the vaccine/negative test requirement who now feel more comfortable. That's OK if you disagree with the second group but they certainly exist whether you agree or not. The point being it's more likely to be a combination of factors, many of which are related to COVID, than SOLELY the vaccine/negative test requirement leading to low attendance. RUBillsFan, Ironbills, TheA_Bomb and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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