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Davidson 0-16 from the arc. Grady's a load. Godmundson looking average. Sure this will all be corrected by the time we get them. But they've lost some bad games: Charlotte and Wake ( BC beat the Deacons) most notable. 

Haven't seen VCU, but Dayton looks scary good. 

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40 minutes ago, slu72 said:

Davidson 0-16 from the arc. Grady's a load. Godmundson looking average. Sure this will all be corrected by the time we get them. But they've lost some bad games: Charlotte and Wake ( BC beat the Deacons) most notable. 

Haven't seen VCU, but Dayton looks scary good. 

Dayton is beatable if Toppin has an off game.  He just  hasn't had an off game.  But every player is going to have off games, it's inevitable.  VCU is more well-rounded.

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1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said:

Dayton is beatable if Toppin has an off game.  He just  hasn't had an off game.  But every player is going to have off games, it's inevitable.  VCU is more well-rounded.

I watched Dayton play 3 games over the last few days and they are way more than Toppin.  They are a complete team that will probably go undefeated in the A-10.  UD is well-rounded and has a lottery pick big man, who can do it all..  The Junior transfer, Chatman, is as good of an on-ball defender as I have seen this year.  I think they are far and away the class of the league this year.

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5 minutes ago, bauman said:

I watched Dayton play 3 games over the last few days and they are way more than Toppin.  They are a complete team that will probably go undefeated in the A-10.  UD is well-rounded and has a lottery pick big man, who can do it all..  The Junior transfer, Chatman, is as good of an on-ball defender as I have seen this year.  I think they are far and away the class of the league this year.

Undefeated in the league? They are very good but you are a prisoner of the moment.  Anthony Grant will definitely find a way to lose a couple games. 

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7 minutes ago, bauman said:

I watched Dayton play 3 games over the last few days and they are way more than Toppin.  They are a complete team that will probably go undefeated in the A-10.  UD is well-rounded and has a lottery pick big man, who can do it all..  The Junior transfer, Chatman, is as good of an on-ball defender as I have seen this year.  I think they are far and away the class of the league this year.

When’s the last time an A10 team went undefeated in conference play?  Genuinely asking. Even when we were a top 15 team in the country we didn’t do that. 

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17 minutes ago, bauman said:

I watched Dayton play 3 games over the last few days and they are way more than Toppin.  They are a complete team that will probably go undefeated in the A-10.  UD is well-rounded and has a lottery pick big man, who can do it all..  The Junior transfer, Chatman, is as good of an on-ball defender as I have seen this year.  I think they are far and away the class of the league this year.

Bet you a Billiken slushie they don’t go undefeated 

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this morning at realtime rpi the billikens are showing as the 56th ranked team and if you click on conference rpi the A10 is 7th.    

wow,  just keep it going billikens!

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_atl10_Men.html 

 

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I like seeing us as #56 in any national ranking service, BUT I find it hard to put much value in a ranking system that has GMU 26; Lasalle 36; VCU 80; and Richmond 81.

The A-10 ranking---#7--- seems about right and is encouraging .

"You can call me Jimerson, you can call me GJ, but ya can't call me Jimmerson!" 😉

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26 minutes ago, bauman said:

I watched Dayton play 3 games over the last few days and they are way more than Toppin.  They are a complete team that will probably go undefeated in the A-10.  UD is well-rounded and has a lottery pick big man, who can do it all..  The Junior transfer, Chatman, is as good of an on-ball defender as I have seen this year.  I think they are far and away the class of the league this year.

You will get the board going with this post lol.

I agree UD is really good will probably be in the top 20 most of the season but injuries happen and the flu happens during the season.  However there is so much good about UD to back up going undefeated in the A10.

Road teams will be fired up to take them down, road players get hot like Jimerson dropping 40 on them.

I hope our team is the team to get them  on the road to build our resume.

Happy Black Friday 

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2 minutes ago, CBFan said:

You will get the board going with this post lol.

I agree UD is really good will probably be in the top 20 most of the season but injuries happen and the flu happens during the season.  However there is so much good about UD to back up going undefeated in the A10.

Road teams will be fired up to take them down, road players get hot like Jimerson dropping 40 on them.

I hope our team is the team to get them  on the road to build our resume.

Happy Black Friday 

I would love to see us take them down and Jimerson be cited as Jimmmmmmmmerson in the post-game thread !  Bring it on Gibson!

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55 minutes ago, bauman said:

I watched Dayton play 3 games over the last few days and they are way more than Toppin.  They are a complete team that will probably go undefeated in the A-10.  UD is well-rounded and has a lottery pick big man, who can do it all..  The Junior transfer, Chatman, is as good of an on-ball defender as I have seen this year.  I think they are far and away the class of the league this year.

I agree with that statement except when it comes to rebounding.  On the boards, they are pretty average besides Toppin.  If they run up against a dominant rebounder or a dominant rebounding team and Toppin has an off night, they can be beaten. Not much of an Achilles heal, but it does exist.  Of the teams left on their schedule, only 4-5 teams have the personnel to exploit it.

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1 hour ago, bauman said:

I would love to see us take them down and Jimerson be cited as Jimmmmmmmmerson in the post-game thread !  Bring it on Gibson!

Being in St Louis none of has had any issues spelling his first name correctly :)

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The truth is that any team can be beaten by another team. Even the very best can be beaten by mediocre teams, just look at the recent defeat of Duke by Stephen F Austin.

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23 hours ago, gobillsgo said:

When’s the last time an A10 team went undefeated in conference play?  Genuinely asking. Even when we were a top 15 team in the country we didn’t do that. 

Pretty sure St Joe's did back in the early 2000's. 

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7 hours ago, slu72 said:

Pretty sure St Joe's did back in the early 2000's. 

GW did it in 2006 (regular season only) with Karl Hobbs as coach and Pops Mensah-Bonsu as their best player.  2006 was kinda of a down year for the A10.  They lost to Temple in their first A10 tournament game.  Pops got hurt and then the selection committee screwed them by putting them in the 8/9 game despite a 26-2 record.  They lost to #1 Duke in the 2nd round. 

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22 minutes ago, slu72 said:

Pretty sure St Joe's did back in the early 2000's. 

St Joe was 27-0 regular season in ‘03-04. Lost to Okie State in EEight. Nelson and West lead the team. 

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28 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said:

GW did it in 2006 (regular season only) with Karl Hobbs as coach and Pops Mensah-Bonsu as their best player.  2006 was kinda of a down year for the A10.  They lost to Temple in their first A10 tournament.  Pops got hurt and then the selection committee screwed them by putting them in the 8/9 game despite a 26-2 record.  They lost to #1 Duke in the 2nd round. 

Forgot about the Colonials. 

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Thought it would be interesting to revisit preseason expectations vs. performance so far. How's everyone feeling about the league so far? I really only see two teams as underperforming. The clusters I have them in currently are:

Exceeding Expectations:

Dayton: They look dangerous. They're up to 19 in the new AP poll. Obi Toppin is a force and they now have some depth behind him. They narrowly avoided a home embarrassment against Indiana State to start the season, clobbered a couple bunnies after that, and took Kansas to OT in the Maui final after routing both Georgia and VT. St. Mary's and Colorado are two solid tests before the conference season starts.
Richmond: This team didn't look much different on paper heading into this season, so what does an extra year of experience around two very good players do? A lot, apparently. Wins over Vandy, Wisconsin, and BC, with their only loss coming to #18 Auburn. Francis and Sherod have become solid running mates for Gilyard and Golden and Cayo rounds out a tough starting five. There's a drop-off when they go to the bench - which fortunately wasn't an issue against BC, when Golden sat with an ankle injury. He should be fine for A10 play. The remaining non-conference schedule is not nearly as strong as it started, but a road game at Alabama is a tough final test before the conference.
George Mason: I had this team at the bottom of the middle-of-the-pack in the conference and they look solid so far. Only loss is to #6 Maryland. Wins over Nebraska, Old Dominion, New Mexico State. A road game at TCU to end the non-conference schedule is their last chance to really raise eyebrows before A10 play, but they'll have double-digit wins by then. They have a really balanced attack, and now Justin Kier is easing back in, having appeared in the past three games and increasing his minutes each time.
Duquesne: My question heading into the season was who would replace Williams' scoring. The answer turned out to be: everyone. 5 guys average between 9.5 and 13 PPG. They haven't played anyone too threatening, but they've beaten everyone so far. Narrow wins over Indiana State and Air Force, and comfortable wins over Princeton, Lamar, Lipscomb, and Loyola Marymount. They must have one of the worst non-conference schedules in the country, as their remaining games are VMI, Columbia, Radford, Austin Peay, UAB, and Marshall. They could very well go undefeated heading into the A10 and we still wouldn't have a good sense of how good they are.
SLU: I put us here because I expected either Belmont or BC to be a loss. 7-1 is a good spot for this point in the season. We've looked great at times, looked as sloppy as early in last season at times, and have a lot of long-term upside. Thatch's prolonged absence is a big concern. Tulane will be another good litmus test and K-State and Auburn offer a couple chances for big stock-boosting wins.

Performing as Expected:

VCU: Started 6-0 with a nice win over LSU in there, but dropped two close ones in a row now to Purdue and #17 Tennessee. Neither are bad losses but VCU needs to run the table in the rest of non-conference play (ODU, Missouri State, @Charleston, @Wichita State, Loyola-MD) to keep a national profile.
Rhode Island: They've won every game they should have (including Alabama) and have lost when they were underdogs (Maryland, LSU, WVU). Providence is their last chance to pick up a stock-boosting win before the A10 season, and they need to win the other three (WKU, @MTSU, @Brown).
UMass: A third-year coach started feeling the pressure to win now, overhauled his staff and roster, and he's 5-3 - exactly as most would've expected right here. The losses are to Virginia, St. John's, and Rutgers, and they beat 5 small NE schools. Some more interesting tests are coming up, with South Carolina, Harvard, Yale, Maine, and Akron on the schedule.
La Salle: No one expected them to beat Temple or Villanova, and Penn at the Palestra was also a reach. They have a couple nice wins over Murray State and Wright State and have a chance to have a respectable non-conference record, with Drexel, Morgan State, Wagner, FDU, and Bucknell left. This is a much more forgiving slate than the brutal non-conference schedule they had last year with a new coach.
Fordham: For a team picked last in the A10 by the conference, 5-2 seems like a strong showing so far - but the schedule has been extremely soft. They have losses to a down Nevada and and so-so WKU and wins over no one noteworthy. With remaining games against Manhattan, Bryant, Tennessee State, James Madison, and Coppin State, there's nothing left to change anyone's mind about how they'll do in the A10.
George Washington: With a new coach and some turnover, I don't think anyone expected much out of GW this season. Narrow losses to American, UMKC, and Morgan State are more understandable under the circumstances. A single-digit loss at South Carolina is respectable, too. Wins over Milwaukee and Howard were needed and Evansville is a better win after the Aces' upset of UK. GW has a couple solid games left, like Harvard and Vermont, to earn more respectability and try to get to .500 before A10 play.
St. Joe's: With a new coach and 10 scholarship players, no one expected anything out of SJU this year. So an opening night win over Bradley and an upset at UConn were pleasant surprises - and none of the six losses have been particularly surprising, especially that the team is down to 9 scholarship players with Taylor Funk injured. Ryan Daly has asserted himself as their do-everything player but they would probably rather fast forward through this season.

Disappointments:

Davidson: Depth was a concern heading into this season, especially in the frontcourt, but with two of the conference's best all-around players returning, it was expected that Davidson was a top 2 or 3 team. In hindsight, playing two away games to start the year may have been a mistake; first Auburn on a neutral floor and then a bad loss at Charlotte. They proceeded to squander winnable power conference neutral floor games against Wake Forest and Marquette, wound up on the consolation side of the Orlando Invitational bracket after the MU loss, and lost to Temple yesterday. With only one more home game before A10 play (Coppin State) and games at Northeastern, Loyola-Chicago, and Vandy, Davidson already appears like a team that will have to win the A10 Tournament to get an NCAA bid. Total disaster.
St. Bonaventure: SBU took home losses against Ohio and Vermont to start the season and got hit again at Siena before posting their first win - at Rutgers. Then they lost again at Canisius before a couple home wins over Mercer and San Diego. The next five are all must-wins (including road games at FAU and MTSU) before a very tough road game at Buffalo to wrap up the non-conference schedule. Bonaventure had a brutal start last season, too, before righting the ship in conference play - maybe this is just another slow-starting Bonnies team.

For reference, A10 preseason poll:

1. VCU
2. Davidson
3. Dayton

4. Rhode Island
5. St. Bonaventure

6. Richmond
7. SLU
8. Duquesne
9. George Mason
10. La Salle
11. UMass
12. George Washington
13. St. Joe's
14. Fordham

And to keep myself honest, my preseason expectations (broken into three tiers):

1. VCU
2. Davidson
3. Dayton
4. Rhode Island

5. Duquesne
6. SLU
7. St. Bonaventure
8. Richmond
9. George Mason

10. UMass
11. George Washington
12. La Salle
13. Fordham
14. St. Joe's

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6 hours ago, Pistol said:

Tulane will be another good litmus test

Just saw that Tulane got a single vote in the latest Coaches Poll. Kind of surprised, but happy to see it. Hopefully they build on it (and maybe snag an AP vote as well) with a win over 2-6 Southern Miss on Wednesday. 

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