RiseOfTheBillikens Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, VeniceMenace said: No more pussyfooting around, TFord needs to have a gut check with this team and tell them that! Ya tell them no games matter till the conference tourney. Great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 22 hours ago, TheChosenOne said: Here are the current Pomeroy rankings for the A-10. No commentary, but I was looking this morning and thought I would post it since it might be of interest to others. 75 - VCU 82 - Davidson 83 - Dayton 94 - Saint Louis 99 - Rhode Island 101 - Saint Joseph's 143 - Massachusetts 152 - St. Bonaventure 159 - Duquesne 164 - George Mason 191 - Richmond 203 - Fordham 240 - La Salle 279 - George Washington Here's the NCAA NET rankings as of 12/23. The NCAA has said this will be a metric in their tourney selection. VCU 54 SLU 72 Dayton 76 Rhody 103 Davidson 105 St Joe 115 The rest really don't matter. With VCU moving up to 54, an A10 At-Large may still be possible. SLU didn't take a huge hit (from 61) after the FSU loss. Likely we will loose more ground beating LaSalle than we did loosing to FSU. billiken_roy and TheChosenOne like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Here's the NCAA NET rankings as of 12/23. The NCAA has said this will be a metric in their tourney selection. VCU 54 SLU 72 Dayton 76 Rhody 103 Davidson 105 St Joe 115 The rest really don't matter. With VCU moving up to 54, an A10 At-Large may still be possible. SLU didn't take a huge hit (from 61) after the FSU loss. Likely we will loose more ground beating LaSalle than we did loosing to FSU. a 54 net IF the ncaa sticks strickly to the numbers would likely be about the first 4 out category. 40 is the almost a sure thing mark and then after that it depends on the number of upsets in the top 10 conferences where teams win the conference tourney that shouldnt have been there. remember there are approxiamately 22 conferences that get awarded the autobid for winning their tourney that has no business being in the final 69 teams left to play in the country. add to that the top 40 teams assuming the committee doesnt shaft one of those deserving teams, that leaves 6 teams above 40 to get additional at large bids assuming no conference tourney upsets by less than top 40 teams. not much wiggle room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: a 54 net IF the ncaa sticks strickly to the numbers would likely be about the first 4 out category. 40 is the almost a sure thing mark and then after that it depends on the number of upsets in the top 10 conferences where teams win the conference tourney that shouldnt have been there. remember there are approximately 22 conferences that get awarded the autobid for winning their tourney that has no business being in the final 69 teams left to play in the country. add to that the top 40 teams assuming the committee doesn't shaft one of those deserving teams, that leaves 6 teams above 40 to get additional at large bids assuming no conference tourney upsets by less than top 40 teams. not much wiggle room. Oh yeah. NCAA will factor in Quad 1/2 wins to snub mid majors. Last year St. Mary's 28-5 team with an RPI of 40/KenPom of 28 was left out, as was 23-7 Middle TN with 33/52. And who can ever forget Missouri State being left out in 2006 with an RPI of 26. Still, I'm targeting mid 40's in the NET as bubble city. If a mid-m is above that, just plan on the NIT. I sure wish we could trade our second game with LaSalle out for a rematch with Davidson or VCU, a la what CUSA is doing. LaSalle is sitting at 314 and GW at 302. Three games against 300+ teams will kill our NET. billiken_roy and SLU_Nick like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 it may not be this year maybe but the A10 has to do what ever it takes to shed/resist the deadly and dismissive midmajor label Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: it may not be this year maybe but the A10 has to do what ever it takes to shed/resist the deadly and dismissive midmajor label 5 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: it may not be this year maybe but the A10 has to do what ever it takes to shed/resist the deadly and dismissive midmajor label Ain't happening. Just do what damage we can do in the conf schedule and win in Brooklyn. That will do it. We likely blew an at large losing to Pitt and SIUC. At the most, A10 gets two bids. Tourney champ and gets a Dayton play in for conf champ. I always think St Mary's got screwed last year. The A10's not shown much this year. We had our shot and blew it against 2 teams we should have beat. We didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I think this is not an uncommon situation and that even the best teams lose games they should have won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 11 hours ago, Old guy said: I think this is not an uncommon situation and that even the best teams lose games they should have won. Yes but we do not have that luxury. Our situation is that we must win everything we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I agree we do not have that luxury if we want to be in the NCAA tournament. But honestly I do not know what we can do to prevent these kinds of losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 It could be worse...wonder what happened with Fletcher: https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/winkeler-fletcher-s-absence-is-mystery-to-us-too/article_13d7dd0b-0e31-5c4d-978f-153ed22ea13f.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 19 hours ago, Old guy said: I agree we do not have that luxury if we want to be in the NCAA tournament. But honestly I do not know what we can do to prevent these kinds of losses. It starts with not saying "oh well this happens". It may but a team like the Bills can not let it happen - they just have to "Do It" billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, cheeseman said: It starts with not saying "oh well this happens". It may but a team like the Bills can not let it happen - they just have to "Do It" exactly. when the likes of Villanova or Duke or Michigan have let downs vs lesser opponents, they have their power conferences to fall back on to "correct" the loss. We unfortunately now in a conference where in the 2018-19 season will not even be in the top 10 of conferences let alone the typical 6th or 7th power spot the A10 has traditionally been in during past seasons. Littlebill likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Honestly, the way this team has performed to date it's not deserving of a bid. The only way they get in, other than taking the tourney, is to get thru the conf schedule with only 2-3 losses. Who thinks that is realistic based on the way we've played so far? Not saying they don't have the talent to do it, but with offense in disarray it's gonna be damn difficult to pull off a 15-3 record. Billiken Rich and TheChosenOne like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 If Isabell and a healthy Wiley don't provide the necessary scoring punch from outside, a NCAA bid isn't happening. They were our hoped for missing pieces and unfortunately they are still missing. I'm rooting for these guys. cgeldmacher, Billiken Rich and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 54 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: If Isabell and a healthy Wiley don't provide the necessary scoring punch from outside, a NCAA bid isn't happening. They were our hoped for missing pieces and unfortunately they are still missing. I'm rooting for these guys. And more importantly, we were hoping Jordan Goodwin would take the next step and be an all-conference caliber player... and that hasn't happened - yet. MusicCityBilliken, NextYearBill, Zink and 5 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 40 minutes ago, ACE said: And more importantly, we were hoping Jordan Goodwin would take the next step and be an all-conference caliber player... and that hasn't happened - yet. evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvverytime i hint at this.... people get upset. bottom line - overrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I believe Goodwin has a chance to become an all-conference caliber player, it just won't be this year. His strengths and weaknesses were well-known even as he climbed in the recruiting rankings. Those strengths allowed him to be an impact player as a freshman. Those weaknesses will stall his offensive development until he adds a mid-range or three-point shot. brianstl and Pistol like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Goodwin isn’t overrated, he is just underperforming. He got a triple double last year and almost got it 2 other times. He has shown improvement recently so the best is yet to come. Not having a shooter has clogged the inside on offense which has hurt us in the paint but with Wiley back and hopefully Thor we can improve upon that. We will finish top of the conference this year and make a run in the A10 tourney. Doing well in the A10 does make a difference as long as we dominate our opponents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, NextYearBill said: evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvverytime i hint at this.... people get upset. bottom line - overrated Thus far you are correct...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, NextYearBill said: evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvverytime i hint at this.... people get upset. bottom line - overrated His last game last year he had 28pts and 9 rebounds. During a 3 game stretch last year he averaged almost a triple double. He has the only triple double in school history. He isnt overated. Once he starts hitting shots again he will be fine. He is doing everything else. JohnnyJumpUp, Glorydays2013 and Zink like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, NextYearBill said: evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvverytime i hint at this.... people get upset. bottom line - overrated Let's wait until the end of the season to pass judgement on JGood. Granted, he's not shown us what he did last year, but he had the nose injury and a new cast of players. There have been moments in games where we've seen flashbacks to last year just no consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 We don't have a point guard. Every player is going to look worse than they should if we don't have a player to get them the ball in the right spots to help them be successful. willie, crymdg2 and JohnnyJumpUp like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills73 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: We don't have a point guard. Every player is going to look worse than they should if we don't have a player to get them the ball in the right spots to help them be successful. This. Last year we had Roby and Hines who were at least capable when it came to distributing and ball handling. Not great, but capable. I think we've seen that both JGood and Tramaine are much better off ball than doing a lot of ball handling and facilitating. I'd be curious at how the team would perform with just an average PG distributing to JG and TI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, GoBills73 said: This. Last year we had Roby and Hines who were at least capable when it came to distributing and ball handling. Not great, but capable. I think we've seen that both JGood and Tramaine are much better off ball than doing a lot of ball handling and facilitating. I'd be curious at how the team would perform with just an average PG distributing to JG and TI. If Jacobs weren't so skinny and so inexperienced, he could fill that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I guess this means Yuri's a starter next year at PG, which, isn't all that bad an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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