Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)

[billikenfan05]

1 minute ago, TheOne said:

Big game coming up against a high profile VCU opponent nationally televised next Tuesday on CBSSN - this board has the opportunity to organize something in order tomake a statement to the nation and put the spotlight on Pestello and the school.  If they wont give a decision, this board has the opportunity to FORCE it out, or FORCE national embarrassment on the school on program.  Sad that this is what it has come to....

I really like the big head idea. 

[juniorbill76]

1 minute ago, TheOne said:

Big game coming up against a high profile VCU opponent nationally televised next Tuesday on CBSSN - this board has the opportunity to organize something in order tomake a statement to the nation and put the spotlight on Pestello and the school.  If they wont give a decision, this board has the opportunity to FORCE it out, or FORCE national embarrassment on the school on program.  Sad that this is what it has come to....

That'll show 'em.

[slufan13]

If you want to prove a point don't show up 

[BIG BILL FAN]

Frank Cusumano had some strong thoughts on the situation today. He also talked about Jordan Goodwin’s potential.  The Billiken talk starts at the 7:00 min mark.

 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thepressbox/2018/01/18/segment-1--opening-monologue-11818

[wgstl]

Someone needs to hold up a sign right behind the broadcasters when the camera is on them.

[dlarry]

2 hours ago, brianstl said:

There are tons of college age white women that think what Aziz did is sexual assault.  They believe it to their core.   I don't know where this victim mindset has come from over the last couple of decades.  It is frightening. 

It really is crazy.

It's almost like being a victim is cool now. People want to feel like victims and take it as a badge of honor. 

I liked when you fought to avoid being a victim.

[kappy96]

30 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said:

Frank Cusumano had some strong thoughts on the situation today. He also talked about Jordan Goodwin’s potential.  The Billiken talk starts at the 7:00 min mark.

 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thepressbox/2018/01/18/segment-1--opening-monologue-11818

Strong take by Frank.  About time.  Didn’t care for the statement about this destroying recruiting...not sure who he’s spoken with but if SLU does indeed get painted with a scarlet letter Ford will jump faster than Fred can say no comment.

[BACKHANDtheRICAN]

4 hours ago, dlarry said:

This is the problem and just insane.  One in 3 young women believe being complimented is harrasment?

If true, the only man safe anymore is 05...

[BillIkenFan_Dan]

56 minutes ago, slufan13 said:

If you want to prove a point don't show up 

I think we should still support the boys on the court, but just put some pressure on slu because Pestello doesn’t care if we show up or not. 

[SLU_Lax]

2 hours ago, JeffinMH said:

Enrollment mostly.  Parents need to know that SLU is safe place to send thier daughters.  In turn the big donors want to be ensured of no unsavory back room deals. Remember what I said, families with students, alumni, females I hear talking in the stands think a sexual assault actually took place.  Even if in reality everything was consensual.  I haven't heard any of the young women siding with the players ... but I am sure some are out there.

 

How is it a safe place for daughters when accusations of sexual assault take 4 months to get resolved? The players are still in school. This process is unfair for all sides. I would immediately conclude as a father that the school is incompetent. This situation isn’t that tough. There aren’t ins and outs to this case.  They aren’t trying to bring down the mob by catching little fish and trying to get them to flip on bigger fish. It is a single incident over a single night. It’s not trying to unwind some huge conspiracy. It all reeks of incompetence. 

[JohnnyJumpUp]

15 minutes ago, BACKHANDtheRICAN said:

If true, the only man safe anymore is 05...

BACKHAND is BACK

[LindellWest]

5 minutes ago, JohnnyJumpUp said:

BACKHAND is BACK

 

[GoBills73]

58 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said:

Frank Cusumano had some strong thoughts on the situation today. He also talked about Jordan Goodwin’s potential.  The Billiken talk starts at the 7:00 min mark.

 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thepressbox/2018/01/18/segment-1--opening-monologue-11818

Very concerning comments regarding recruiting. If the three don't start playing soon i don't see how our recruiting doesn't get severely impacted. 

#freethe3

[Bay Area Billiken]

46 minutes ago, kappy96 said:

Strong take by Frank.  About time.  Didn’t care for the statement about this destroying recruiting...not sure who he’s spoken with but if SLU does indeed get painted with a scarlet letter Ford will jump faster than Fred can say no comment.

This is an excellent and much needed assessment by a major local St. Louis media voice, a media voice with real standing.

Bravo Mr. Cusumano.

[Billiken82]

4 hours ago, JeffinMH said:

I am not sure how to answer.  Most times when the police get involved in the middle of the night something really bad transpired.I am not saying there is blame on both sides but everyone would have better served if basically an orgy wasn't videoed in the middle of the night on school property.

Most the time when the police are called in the middle of the night they respond.  That is their job.  They are neither prosecutor, judge, nor jury.   It’s kind of an implied level of protection expected in America.  What rock did you just crawl out from under?

[BACKHANDtheRICAN]

56 minutes ago, JohnnyJumpUp said:

BACKHAND is BACK

The three need backhand. Men everywhere need backhand...only 05 is safe.

[johnbj14]

I did a double take when I saw Backhand post. What a day. 

[brianstl]

1 hour ago, JohnnyJumpUp said:

BACKHAND is BACK

It is about time they finished his case and lifted his suspension 

[cheeseman]

1 hour ago, Bay Area Billiken said:

This is an excellent and much needed assessment by a major local St. Louis media voice, a media voice with real standing.

Bravo Mr. Cusumano.

Ford is not in a position to jump ship.  He has not polished his resume enough.  He has nothing new to add to it.  My guess is he will stay until he has a year or two of good runs here.  He is making very good money and his daughter just started high school.  He can still recruit - perhaps not here in the same way but outside of the area he can still do well.  I would think in 2-3 years we will be looking for a new coach.

[NextYearBill]

i cant believe the office of the president will not respond to my emails.... that irks me more than anything 

[Quality Is Job 1]

We've been operating under the assumption that either or both parties would certainly appeal the hearing officer's decision, leading to another three weeks of waiting, but the following information in Stu's piece today suggests that might not be the case:

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Grounds for an appeal include a deviation from outlined procedures that could impact the outcome or the discovery of "new or relevant" information that was not available during the investigation.

Dissatisfaction with the hearing officer's decision is not considered the basis for an appeal.

So, if there's a strong chance that the hearing officer's decision will be final, what the heck is that person/SLU waiting for?  They've had more than enough time to review the information!  Are they trying to extend the unofficial sanctions (the interim suspension) to mollify the accuser(s) pressing the issue to save pride before they finally announce what seems obvious — that there are no grounds for dire sanctions?!

What I gather from following this four-month ordeal is that the young women were the initiators and the players committed no crime, but they made one slip-up in sharing the video in a place none of them intended, so one of the accusers hatched a plan among the women to claim they'd been sexually assaulted (raped) in order to try to salvage her reputation.  Obviously we'll never know the objective details, but this seems plausible.  (I still say that if Coach Ford, in his own investigation in interviewing the players, would have had even an inkling that the players had raped the women, he would have dismissed them from the team immediately.)

So, maybe the sharing of the video was a violation of the school's policy on sexual conduct, even if clearly accidental, but I have a hard time thinking that many reasonable people think that expulsion, suspension, or academic probation would be suitable sanctions for such activity.  That leaves counseling or community service (if my memory is correct).  It seems to me that counseling best fits the infraction, if that's the determination.  That should have been decided no less than two months ago.  So the administrative foot-dragging must be a secret deal between the Title IX coordinator and the young women to impose other "unofficial" sanctions — to this point a 20-game suspension — in order to exact vengeance for women everywhere before the real ruling is finally announced.

[Spoon-Balls]

1 hour ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

So, maybe the sharing of the video was a violation of the school's policy on sexual conduct even, if clearly accidental, but I have a hard time thinking that many reasonable people think that expulsion, suspension, or academic probation would be suitable sanctions for such activity.  That leaves counseling or community service (if my memory is correct).  It seems to me that counseling best fits the infraction, if that's the determination.  That should have been decided no less than two months ago.  So the administrative foot-dragging must be a secret deal between the Title IX coordinator and the young women to impose other "unofficial" sanctions — to this point a 20-game suspension — in order to exact vengeance for women everywhere before the real ruling is finally announced.

This has been my prevailing theory for a while now. Disgusting if it's actually the case that there has been some intentional foot dragging by the hearing officer and/or Kratky, and I hope SLU gets hit hard with a massive lawsuit so that the Board has no choice but to kick Fred to the curb.

The University can't keep losing donors at the rate that it is currently losing them. 

[WestCoastBilliken]

57 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

We've been operating under the assumption that either or both parties would certainly appeal the hearing officer's decision, leading to another three weeks of waiting, but the following information in Stu's piece today suggests that might not be the case:

So, if there's a strong chance that the hearing officer's decision will be final, what the heck is that person/SLU waiting for?  They've had more than enough time to review the information!  Are they trying to extend the unofficial sanctions (the interim suspension) to mollify the accuser(s) pressing the issue to save pride before they finally announce what seems obvious — that there are no grounds for dire sanctions?!

What I gather from following this four-month ordeal is that the young women were the initiators and the players committed no crime, but they made one slip-up in sharing the video in a place none of them intended, so one of the accusers hatched a plan among the women to claim they'd been sexually assaulted (raped) in order to try to salvage her reputation.  Obviously we'll never know the objective details, but this seems plausible.  (I still say that if Coach Ford, in his own investigation in interviewing the players, would have had even an inkling that the players had raped the women, he would have dismissed them from the team immediately.)

So, maybe the sharing of the video was a violation of the school's policy on sexual conduct even, if clearly accidental, but I have a hard time thinking that many reasonable people think that expulsion, suspension, or academic probation would be suitable sanctions for such activity.  That leaves counseling or community service (if my memory is correct).  It seems to me that counseling best fits the infraction, if that's the determination.  That should have been decided no less than two months ago.  So the administrative foot-dragging must be a secret deal between the Title IX coordinator and the young women to impose other "unofficial" sanctions — to this point a 20-game suspension — in order to exact vengeance for women everywhere before the real ruling is finally announced.

Wow.. a whole lot of large assumptions in here...

 

I do love the rationalizing of the "just a tiny little slip up sharing a video of them on porn hub -- oopsies kids will be kids" 

 

If someone shared a private video of me (especially a sex video with my face) on a public forum, I would be going for the kill... dont lawsuits happen all the time over releasing these types of videos? 

[Quality Is Job 1]

Just now, WestCoastBilliken said:

Wow.. a whole lot of large assumptions in here...

If you've been following along — I understand it's been a long thread over a three-and-a-half-month period — a reasonable person would most likely acknowledge that my "assumptions" are not particularly large, at all.  And, no, I haven't talked to anyone close to the situation.

[WestCoastBilliken]

12 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

If you've been following along — I understand it's been a long thread over a three-and-a-half-month period — a reasonable person would most likely acknowledge that my "assumptions" are not particularly large, at all.  And, no, I haven't talked to anyone close to the situation.

I have been following along and from what I can gather, every single person on here seem to be making assumptions outside of players and girls were involved and a video was released on a public forum without consent- anything else seems to be assumptions..... regardless, it doesn't explain how you rationalize releasing a sex tape of someone without their consent on a public website as "kids being kids". Funny you glossed over that response. 

I believe their have been many lawsuits over a private video being released on a public forum... one in particular took down an entire website empire.  

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/115-million-verdict-in-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-lawsuit-could-wipe-out-gawker/

And another lawsuit where 50 cent was ordered to pay $7 million for releasing a sex tape unauthorized:

https://www.vibe.com/2017/01/50-cent-sues-lawyers-rick-ross-32-million-sextape/

Example after example if you want to google. 

Its not a "kids being kids" and anyone under the age of 50 doesnt 'accidentally release a video on a public forum' without intent. If it was me, I would be raising all hell and I think 99% of the posters on here would be as well if it was them or their kids on that video.