3star_recruit Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 If Chris May sticks around, new SLU fans will know him as the AD in Golden age of SLU sports, where all the major sports teams were winning. Meanwhile in MBM land we will still be talking about his social media failures and overpaying Travis Ford. We will become the grumpy old men. It is our destiny. DOC, billiken_roy and MB73 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: If Chris May sticks around, new SLU fans will know him as the AD in Golden age of SLU sports, where all the major sports teams were winning. Meanwhile in MBM land we will still be talking about his social media failures and overpaying Travis Ford. We will become the grumpy old men. It is our destiny. I really wish I could learn how to fail upwards. Bills By 40 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 11 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: I really wish I could learn how to fail upwards. You'd have to sell your soul and call everyone "big guy." TheA_Bomb likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 25 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: If Chris May sticks around, new SLU fans will know him as the AD in Golden age of SLU sports, where all the major sports teams were winning. Meanwhile in MBM land we will still be talking about his social media failures and overpaying Travis Ford. We will become the grumpy old men. It is our destiny. If Chris May sticks around we're very likely to miss the opportunities of the continuing changing landscape of college sports. More changes are coming and the SLU AD was not prepared for the telegraphed changes everyone saw coming the last few years. So why would we expect anything different now? The ACC is about to implode setting off more conference changes. The SEC/B10 partnership may cause a schism with the NCAA and develop affect basketball only schools. NLRB rulings and other court rulings may bring changes in athletes status. Lacking leadership and vision makes it hard to navigate these complex situations. Lacking organizational skills makes it hard to run an organization effectively during times of change. The skill of sucking up to rich donors, raising funds and spending their money is just one part of the skillset needed to be a successful AD. "Grumpy Old Men" is your attempt to minimize the importance of those criticizing the lack of effective leadership. Some of us want SLU to be relevant, we haven't been for the last 10 years directly due to May. One hire, a good X post and press conference, doesn't mean you can navigate the upcoming difficult changes. Concerns about these changes are at the fore front of schools with much more money/influence than SLU, see the B12 doing everything they can to stay relevant. Can we claim SLU and the A10 is doing the same? cheeseman and Old guy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 7 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: If Chris May sticks around we're very likely to miss the opportunities of the continuing changing landscape of college sports. More changes are coming and the SLU AD was not prepared for the telegraphed changes everyone saw coming the last few years. So why would we expect anything different now? The ACC is about to implode setting off more conference changes. The SEC/B10 partnership may cause a schism with the NCAA and develop affect basketball only schools. NLRB rulings and other court rulings may bring changes in athletes status. Lacking leadership and vision makes it hard to navigate these complex situations. Lacking organizational skills makes it hard to run an organization effectively during times of change. The skill of sucking up to rich donors, raising funds and spending their money is just one part of the skillset needed to be a successful AD. "Grumpy Old Men" is your attempt to minimize the importance of those criticizing the lack of effective leadership. Some of us want SLU to be relevant, we haven't been for the last 10 years directly due to May. One hire, a good X post and press conference, doesn't mean you can navigate the upcoming difficult changes. Concerns about these changes are at the fore front of schools with much more money/influence than SLU, see the B12 doing everything they can to stay relevant. Can we claim SLU and the A10 is doing the same? The young fans who will experience all the winning over the next 3-5 years won't even know what we're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 22 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: If Chris May sticks around we're very likely to miss the opportunities of the continuing changing landscape of college sports. More changes are coming and the SLU AD was not prepared for the telegraphed changes everyone saw coming the last few years. So why would we expect anything different now? The ACC is about to implode setting off more conference changes. The SEC/B10 partnership may cause a schism with the NCAA and develop affect basketball only schools. NLRB rulings and other court rulings may bring changes in athletes status. Lacking leadership and vision makes it hard to navigate these complex situations. Lacking organizational skills makes it hard to run an organization effectively during times of change. The skill of sucking up to rich donors, raising funds and spending their money is just one part of the skillset needed to be a successful AD. "Grumpy Old Men" is your attempt to minimize the importance of those criticizing the lack of effective leadership. Some of us want SLU to be relevant, we haven't been for the last 10 years directly due to May. One hire, a good X post and press conference, doesn't mean you can navigate the upcoming difficult changes. Concerns about these changes are at the fore front of schools with much more money/influence than SLU, see the B12 doing everything they can to stay relevant. Can we claim SLU and the A10 is doing the same? Tha A10 clearly isn’t thinking out of the box in the climate you describe. If the ACC does indeed implode I expect the remnant teams will seek to merge with the Beast and form a hoops super league. That would likely slam the door on SLU’s dream to someday be admitted. No way will the media and AD’s ignore how many national championships those two leagues have produced over the years. So no matter what governing body takes over the hoops tournament for the national championship you can bet those schools would be included. So, how do mids navigate those waters will be key to SLU’s future? The current College FB landscape, no NCAA management, will likely be the template for college hoops the bigs will adopt. The pot of gold is too big and will only grow bigger. Whether or not we can finagle a way into the party is the major issue that should be our primary concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRN Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 8 minutes ago, slu72 said: Tha A10 clearly isn’t thinking out of the box in the climate you describe. If the ACC does indeed implode I expect the remnant teams will seek to merge with the Beast and form a hoops super league. That would likely slam the door on SLU’s dream to someday be admitted. No way will the media and AD’s ignore how many national championships those two leagues have produced over the years. So no matter what governing body takes over the hoops tournament for the national championship you can bet those schools would be included. So, how do mids navigate those waters will be key to SLU’s future? The current College FB landscape, no NCAA management, will likely be the template for college hoops the bigs will adopt. The pot of gold is too big and will only grow bigger. Whether or not we can finagle a way into the party is the major issue that should be our primary concern. Football makes the money, the ACC and Big XII will eventually be merged once the SEC and Big Ten pull teams from them. None of them will merge with non-football schools, the revenue is in the football TV contracts. Lord Elrond likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 8 minutes ago, slu72 said: Tha A10 clearly isn’t thinking out of the box in the climate you describe. If the ACC does indeed implode I expect the remnant teams will seek to merge with the Beast and form a hoops super league. That would likely slam the door on SLU’s dream to someday be admitted. No way will the media and AD’s ignore how many national championships those two leagues have produced over the years. So no matter what governing body takes over the hoops tournament for the national championship you can bet those schools would be included. So, how do mids navigate those waters will be key to SLU’s future? The current College FB landscape, no NCAA management, will likely be the template for college hoops the bigs will adopt. The pot of gold is too big and will only grow bigger. Whether or not we can finagle a way into the party is the major issue that should be our primary concern. So how are the ACC teams that all play football going to fit in a Big East basketball league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, TRN said: Football makes the money, the ACC and Big XII will eventually be merged once the SEC and Big Ten pull teams from them. None of them will merge with non-football schools, the revenue is in the football TV contracts. I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. Then SLU would still have a shot at the Beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 49 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: The young fans who will experience all the winning over the next 3-5 years won't even know what we're talking about. Kids also don't understand the National Defense Strategy but they live in a country of relative security. Kids don't understand how electricity is made and delivered to their homes but they live in houses with AC and heat. Kids don't understand the intricacies of how oil is discovered, extracted, refined, distributed but they ride a school bus. So it's up to us adults to do things to their benefit. College sports are not as important as those things but I'm not ready for SLU to go DII, DIII, or NAIA just yet. To zoom in on another area you attempted to minimize the importance of, Social Media Marketing. We are all aware that NIL is necessary to attracting the best talent. NIL is enhanced by a good online presence. I eschew social media myself, but see the importance for the Athletic Department. Robbie Avila's online social media hype led him to greater NIL deals, media coverage including multiple appearances on Pat McAfee show. This raised the profile of ISU basketball and himself. He gets more NIL funds. This fact is not lost on potential recruits/transfers. At DKR Texas Memorial Stadium there is a room with all the National Championship and Conference Championship Trophies amongst them is a display tracking the online Social Media engagement. Why? Because today it really matters for recruitment and media deals. If SLU is to move to a better conference or stay in a decent conference our Social Media presence matters. TV Market Size doesn't matter anymore it's online engagement. That is the indicator used to determine media value not a cities population. Tuscaloosa Alabama is not a big city. There is no city in Alabama bigger than St. Louis but Bama has a better TV deal than SLU? Why? Fan engagement and sustained success. Much of fan engagement is now done via social media. Not posting final scores to X or engaging regularly online is dereliction of the most basic duties of fan engagement and inexcusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: I really wish I could learn how to fail upwards. Wait!?!?! I thought you did.......... Just Kidding. Couldn't resist....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I wonder if all the mid majors and the P5 schools who are left out would be best to simply not form conferences but to form one big group who profit from a TV contract for the whole group. This way nobody is left out and you can spend as much as you want by getting your donors and other revenue sources to pay up. Conferences may be a thing of the past. This group could hold there own Dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 24 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: Wait!?!?! I thought you did.......... Just Kidding. Couldn't resist....... Not upward enough. Billiken Rich likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, TheA_Bomb said: If Chris May sticks around we're very likely to miss the opportunities of the continuing changing landscape of college sports. More changes are coming and the SLU AD was not prepared for the telegraphed changes everyone saw coming the last few years. So why would we expect anything different now? The ACC is about to implode setting off more conference changes. The SEC/B10 partnership may cause a schism with the NCAA and develop affect basketball only schools. NLRB rulings and other court rulings may bring changes in athletes status. Lacking leadership and vision makes it hard to navigate these complex situations. Lacking organizational skills makes it hard to run an organization effectively during times of change. The skill of sucking up to rich donors, raising funds and spending their money is just one part of the skillset needed to be a successful AD. "Grumpy Old Men" is your attempt to minimize the importance of those criticizing the lack of effective leadership. Some of us want SLU to be relevant, we haven't been for the last 10 years directly due to May. One hire, a good X post and press conference, doesn't mean you can navigate the upcoming difficult changes. Concerns about these changes are at the fore front of schools with much more money/influence than SLU, see the B12 doing everything they can to stay relevant. Can we claim SLU and the A10 is doing the same? The single biggest factor in SLU being successful in the new landscape and being able to take advantage of the changes and possibly getting into a better conference as a result is........WINNING. Neither Chris May nor any other AD would be able to get SLU into a better situation if we continued down the road we have the past few years. On the flip side, if Schertz gets us to Dayton level or better of sustained success, it will be that, and not any sort of skills that Chris May has or doesn't have that will get us into that better situation. My point is that hiring the right coach and having the right facilities is what will get us to the next level much more so than any long term strategic plan to make that happen. billiken_roy and Adman like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: The single biggest factor in SLU being successful in the new landscape and being able to take advantage of the changes and possibly getting into a better conference as a result is........WINNING. Neither Chris May nor any other AD would be able to get SLU into a better situation if we continued down the road we have the past few years. On the flip side, if Schertz gets us to Dayton level or better of sustained success, it will be that, and not any sort of skills that Chris May has or doesn't have that will get us into that better situation. My point is that hiring the right coach and having the right facilities is what will get us to the next level much more so than any long term strategic plan to make that happen. And a healthy NIL. Adman likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: The single biggest factor in SLU being successful in the new landscape and being able to take advantage of the changes and possibly getting into a better conference as a result is........WINNING. Neither Chris May nor any other AD would be able to get SLU into a better situation if we continued down the road we have the past few years. On the flip side, if Schertz gets us to Dayton level or better of sustained success, it will be that, and not any sort of skills that Chris May has or doesn't have that will get us into that better situation. My point is that hiring the right coach and having the right facilities is what will get us to the next level much more so than any long term strategic plan to make that happen. The fact thatSLU has to aspire to a Dayton level of sustained excellence should be grounds for termination for Chris May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 15 minutes ago, thetorch said: The fact thatSLU has to aspire to a Dayton level of sustained excellence should be grounds for termination for Chris May. I don't like Dayton either but that statement is just silly..... almaman likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny karate Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Has Avila signed yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, jonny karate said: Has Avila signed yet? He's visiting Texas with Julian Larry according to a Texas recruiting guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: He's visiting Texas with Julian Larry according to a Texas recruiting guy. Not sure the Bills NIL can compete with Texas oil money NIL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 6 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: He's visiting Texas with Julian Larry according to a Texas recruiting guy. 2 minutes ago, dlarry said: Not sure the Bills NIL can compete with Texas oil money NIL. They can't compete. But I didn't see anything regarding Avila visiting with Larry on Horns247 and they're a really active pay board with moderators/journalists on top of recruiting. Larry to UT makes sense as he's from Frisco, TX. I don't see Avila fitting into Rodney Terry's offensive system (or lack there of). billikenfan05 and dlarry like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brianstl Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 35 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: They can't compete. But I didn't see anything regarding Avila visiting with Larry on Horns247 and they're a really active pay board with moderators/journalists on top of recruiting. Larry to UT makes sense as he's from Frisco, TX. I don't see Avila fitting into Rodney Terry's offensive system (or lack there of). SLU isn’t losing any of their targets because they can’t compete with the dollars offered. That doesn’t mean they will get everyone they target, but they won’t lose out because they couldn’t compete financially. Plus, why does everyone forget SLU has their own oil money? Adman, TRN and dlarry like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, dlarry said: Not sure the Bills NIL can compete with Texas oil money NIL. does have a look of a Longhorn guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Damn if Avila doesn't come here I am gonna look like a clown telling everyone around me that he was going to be playing for SLU next year. dlarry likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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