TheChosenOne Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, wgstl said: perhaps. His size(weight) still worries me a lot. If we get him, I think there will be a strong emphasis on adding as much weight as possible. Im not against getting him, but if we have any chance, I'd rather get Mohamed Diarra. Very similar player. I know the terms are dated and these guys are listed at very similar size with somewhat similar JUCO production on paper (Pryor average 14.8 points and 8.0 rebounds while Diarra averaged 17.8 points and 12.6 rebounds). However, Diarra strikes me as more of a true big (maybe proven by his rebounding numbers compared to Pryor (Diarra averaged 3.6 offensive/9 defensive vs 1.7 offensive/6.3 defensive for Pryor) and blocks (Diarra averaged 2.37 blocks vs 1.4 for Pryor) with stretch ability (he has some point forward type attributes to me) while Pryor to me looks more like a wing with length (not sure any of the stats prove that out though beyond far fewer TOs and him shooting a bit better from 3 on similar attempts and from the free throw line on much fewer attempts). Having watched Diarra at Mizzou, it certainly emphasizes to me the need to have the right expectations for kids moving up from the JUCO level especially if the expectation is for them to defend the paint and score at the rim. I will say when I watch both of those guys there is an awkwardness about their games that is somewhat similar. Is Diarra looking to continue playing in college? He had some somewhat intriguing attributes if allowed to play as more of stretch big instead primarily in the paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabriel Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 If you had a front court of three marten linssens, you’re finishing 8th in the A10. The guy averaged like 12 minutes a game when we were desperate for front court depth. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, Soderball said: Roy, I agree with you, but... the reality is we are a middling program in a Juan Bid League. We take what we can get at this point. Power 5 big guys will mop the floor with our bigs. The last time we competed in that arena was when we had Willie Reed, who had the potential to develop into a monstrous talent. I know someone will come at me "but French and Goodwin" both fantastic players(especially goodwin) but not really traditional "5" big guys. French's height sometimes cost us, but the combo of him and goodwin allowed us to compete with the big boys on the boards sometimes. i dont disagree it was the best we could get, and as my comments reflect, i have positive thoughts about what he gave us in effort and his production, but he wasnt the level some of these comments are projecting. gabriel likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Just now, billiken_roy said: i dont disagree it was the best we could get, and as my comments reflect, i have positive thoughts about what he gave us in effort and his production, but he wasnt the level some of these comments are projecting. Correct. Linssen was a very solid backup big, but folks seem to be going far beyond that romanticizing his time as a Billiken. billiken_roy and gabriel like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: Correct. Linssen was a very solid backup big, but folks seem to be going far beyond that romanticizing his time as a Billiken. His offensive efficiency should be romanticized. It was beautiful to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Can we all agree that Ryan Luechtefeld should be running the BVF? What has Troy the boy Robertson done so far? Fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: Can we all agree that Ryan Luechtefeld should be running the BVF? What has Troy the boy Robertson done so far? Fail. You don't believe a local realtor is the guy to deliver us results against high-major programs? thetorch likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 minute ago, TheChosenOne said: You don't believe a local realtor is the guy to deliver us results against high-major programs? watch it, I could lead us against High major programs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Interesting comment from Mizzou Coach Gates in the PD. We knew this was likely to happen, but it seems like a real thing. Until the May 11 portal deadline passes, Gates won’t know for sure how many scholarship spots are available. But for the roster mathematicians trying to calculate the team’s scholarship situation, a growing trend further clouds the picture. NCAA rules allow teams to carry a maximum of 13 scholarship players, but loopholes have emerged. Gates noted that several teams now feature scholarship-caliber players who aren’t on scholarship, subtly suggesting they’re being paid NIL income in lieu of scholarships. “Certain kids are qualifying for in-state tuition and some kids are now able to pay their own way,” he said. “So you can’t operate and assume that rosters are capped at 13 kids. You can’t assume that because ultimately there’s ingenuity into building rosters more than ever before.” slufan13 and Young Charles like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: Can we all agree that Ryan Luechtefeld should be running the BVF? What has Troy the boy Robertson done so far? Fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Interesting comment from Mizzou Coach Gates in the PD. We knew this was likely to happen, but it seems like a real thing. Until the May 11 portal deadline passes, Gates won’t know for sure how many scholarship spots are available. But for the roster mathematicians trying to calculate the team’s scholarship situation, a growing trend further clouds the picture. NCAA rules allow teams to carry a maximum of 13 scholarship players, but loopholes have emerged. Gates noted that several teams now feature scholarship-caliber players who aren’t on scholarship, subtly suggesting they’re being paid NIL income in lieu of scholarships. “Certain kids are qualifying for in-state tuition and some kids are now able to pay their own way,” he said. “So you can’t operate and assume that rosters are capped at 13 kids. You can’t assume that because ultimately there’s ingenuity into building rosters more than ever before.” Get ready for teams subbing offense for defense with two different squads...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 53 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: You don't believe a local realtor is the guy to deliver us results against high-major programs? I don't think the guy running it is the problem. As @cheeseman said you got donors that are hesitant because they don't want to throw good moody after bad after losing faith in Ford. I think a bigger long term problem could be that you might have a group of donors including one huge donor that are now pissed at the athletic program and SLU in general. It goes beyond Ford now. They don't want to give at all to anything. I don't know how you fix that in the short or medium term regardless of what happens with the coaching situation in future years, if that really is the case. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Interesting comment from Mizzou Coach Gates in the PD. We knew this was likely to happen, but it seems like a real thing. Until the May 11 portal deadline passes, Gates won’t know for sure how many scholarship spots are available. But for the roster mathematicians trying to calculate the team’s scholarship situation, a growing trend further clouds the picture. NCAA rules allow teams to carry a maximum of 13 scholarship players, but loopholes have emerged. Gates noted that several teams now feature scholarship-caliber players who aren’t on scholarship, subtly suggesting they’re being paid NIL income in lieu of scholarships. “Certain kids are qualifying for in-state tuition and some kids are now able to pay their own way,” he said. “So you can’t operate and assume that rosters are capped at 13 kids. You can’t assume that because ultimately there’s ingenuity into building rosters more than ever before.” Might as well tag Arkansas in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, brianstl said: I don't think the guy running it is the problem. Right, my post was just a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Now I'm okay with Pryor just because we need the bodies down low. Although Pryor does continue to refer to himself as a guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: Right, my post was just a joke. Me too kinda. But for real Ryan Luechtefeld is much smarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 I'm starting to think that my $10 is the only $10 in the BVF Lord Elrond, Bizziken, slubillikens43 and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, brianstl said: I don't think the guy running it is the problem. As @cheeseman said you got donors that are hesitant because they don't want to throw good moody after bad after losing faith in Ford. I think a bigger long term problem could be that you might have a group of donors including one huge donor that are now pissed at the athletic program and SLU in general. It goes beyond Ford now. They don't want to give at all to anything. I don't know how you fix that in the short or medium term regardless of what happens with the coaching situation in future years, if that really is the case. My concern as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 Not to pile on what is already a difficult day for our program, but I hope people are not looking at the BVF as a way to elevate our program. Here is what I mean. There is almost no chance that our NIL fund is in the same league as the NIL funds of power conference state schools that kick out tens of thousands of graduates each year. The power conference schools will always have more NIL money to spend, possibly by a lot, than we will. Also, while I agree that kids will follow the money, there probably will not be a direct correlation between money offered and getting a kid. If we offer a kid $100,000 to come to SLU out of the BVF, and, let's say, West Virginia offers the same kid $50,000, that kid may still choose WV, because he wants to play in a power conference. He might think that he's going to be just fine on $50,000 a year, and the difference between that and the $100,000 we offer is not enough to sway him. Having NIL money to offer and the BVF to organize that money and utilize it well is necessary in the present environment, but please don't think that our fund is going to change the landscape in comparison to others or suddenly cause us to get kids we wouldn't have gotten in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Charles Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 The sample size on this NIL stuff is very limited... and I could be way off, but at this rate it looks like we will just be paying for the same caliber of kids we were already getting prior to NIL. I hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 5 hours ago, billiken_roy said: look i hate the NiL b.s. as much as anyone. but it is what it is. and the toothpaste is out of the tube now. there is no going back. how in the hell do you think a kid from the ghetto is not going to be all about the money first and foremost? coming out with the pat answer when asked about NiL money "we want guys that want to be here" might be the most head in the sand thing i have ever heard. talk about destined to fail. imo if we dont get in on this asap. slu basketball arrow is going to be pointed down. Again, i dont like it, but it's now become part of the game and you dam well better embrace it or be left behind. seriously, imo, we are headed towards D3 if we dont. All time cliche post willie and VeniceMenace like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 4 hours ago, johnbj14 said: I can’t believe the revisionist history with Marten right now. He was rock solid on offense and defense, only tailing off after a bad ankle injury that he dealt with the back half of his senior season. Give me a big man rotation of 3 Linssens and I’d be thrilled. Thank you John. I fu*king loved Linssen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 I'm not sure Linssen was that great but he filled and embraced the role perfectly. I'd take him as a bench big man on any team in the country. He also played with passion and intensity and wasn't afraid to show that to his teammates which this team really missed. The guy could have a 4/2 statline and would be the most valuable player in the game MusicCityBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said: Thank you John. I fu*king loved Linssen. Linssen had the intangibles too, as he was an excellent leader. Something sorely lacking this year. David King likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 55 minutes ago, DOC said: Linssen had the intangibles too, as he was an excellent leader. Something sorely lacking this year. 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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