HoosierPal Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 This was linked somewhere in a post in another thread. But this is serious enough to stand alone. It's real. https://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/slu-basketballs-terrence-hargrove-jr-finds-happiness-after-battling-depression/article_211f8153-ac1c-5bb5-8d96-262252af3023.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_stltoday SLU_Lax, Bizziken, BrettJollyComedyHour and 4 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Good for him. Mental health awareness has come a long way in the last 10 years or so. I’m glad these kids are willing to share instead of suppressing these experiences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crymdg2 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Major shout out to TJ! Mental health is incredibly real and affects more people than we ever realize. An all too real of a reminder that basketball is just a game, something I too often forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post juniorbill76 Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 Thanks for this. It’s a good reminder for all us MBMs to be mindful of how we talk about our student athletes when we’re disappointed with individual or team performance. rgbilliken, RiseOfTheBillikens, Adman and 11 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 -very brave for TJH to make this public, I hope he wasn't reading this site and that contributed to his feelings but I am very happy he is in a better place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Cowboy II said: -very brave for TJH to make this public, I hope he wasn't reading this site and that contributed to his feelings but I am very happy he is in a better place Regrettably, I would be surprised if this site did not contribute in some way. Quote Hargrove didn’t miss practices or games, but his head was not clear of the distractions, which he said included negativity expressed about him from the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I have seen lots of posts saying Hargrove was not given enough minutes, but I do not recall much saying he was not capable. However, I have a lot of people on ignore so I cannot judge what they said about Hargrove. Hargrove and Parker are two of my favorite players in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Lax Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Hargrove is my daughter's favorite player. He is way up there for me as well (Thatch is my favorite). I also am glad he is sharing his experience and letting people know that it can happen to anyone (even someone with as much going for them as this young man). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieBilliken Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I love TJ. I don't think I've ever said anything disparaging about any Billiken athlete not named Diener. I think this is further evidence that social media is poison and is destroying the world. If you get five messages telling you, "you are great" and one saying that "you cant defend a statue," you will focus on the negative one. Its human nature. Spoon-Balls likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewsorlose Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 23 minutes ago, OkieBilliken said: I love TJ. I don't think I've ever said anything disparaging about any Billiken athlete not named Diener. I think this is further evidence that social media is poison and is destroying the world. If you get five messages telling you, "you are great" and one saying that "you cant defend a statue," you will focus on the negative one. Its human nature. This is so true. We give the players a lot of love but I'm sure they'll remember the one negative more than the ten positives. It's where we are as humanity and most of us are the same. TJ, I hope you're not reading this, but if you are, know that you and all of the players are loved. SLUMedBilliken15 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 37 minutes ago, Crewsorlose said: This is so true. We give the players a lot of love but I'm sure they'll remember the one negative more than the ten positives. It's where we are as humanity and most of us are the same. TJ, I hope you're not reading this, but if you are, know that you and all of the players are loved. 1 hour ago, OkieBilliken said: I love TJ. I don't think I've ever said anything disparaging about any Billiken athlete not named Diener. I think this is further evidence that social media is poison and is destroying the world. If you get five messages telling you, "you are great" and one saying that "you cant defend a statue," you will focus on the negative one. Its human nature. McBroom is a (alleged) scam artist. If anyone is looking for a punching bag, he's easy to find on social media. Yell at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: McBroom is a (alleged) scam artist. If anyone is looking for a punching bag, he's easy to find on social media. Yell at him. Lol Austin McBroom's trajectory is one of the oddest Billiken stories ever. Fraz likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, OkieBilliken said: I love TJ. I don't think I've ever said anything disparaging about any Billiken athlete not named Diener.. Probably safe to say now, but there was a 'bit of a rumor that Diener used to post on the board while he was a player. [I do not have evidence of this though] In the smallest of small world things, my sister (now in Milwaukee) used to be in a book club with Drew's wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 In rare instances family members posted, Thompson and McGuire if recalling correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, VeniceMenace said: In rare instances family members posted, Thompson and McGuire if recalling correctly? -don't know about them but Reggie Bryant's sister was a poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenHudDude Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, SluSignGuy said: Regrettably, I would be surprised if this site did not contribute in some way. Shame on any of us MBMs who may have trashed TJ or any of our players. They are 18 to 23 years old young men, who are impressionable. Some of them have more natural ability than others. They all have rigorous schedules for both academics and basketball. None of them need to see themselves trashed on a message board because we feel that the team is not performing up to our expectations. As for TJ himself, he has great athleticism and always plays hard. When he is not on the court, he is one of our best cheerleaders from the bench. I give him all the credit in the world for coming forth with his struggles. You are in my prayers TJ. billikenbill and rgbilliken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, CenHudDude said: Shame on any of us MBMs who may have trashed TJ or any of our players. They are 18 to 23 years old young men, who are impressionable. Some of them have more natural ability than others. They all have rigorous schedules for both academics and basketball. None of them need to see themselves trashed on a message board because we feel that the team is not performing up to our expectations. As for TJ himself, he has great athleticism and always plays hard. When he is not on the court, he is one of our best cheerleaders from the bench. I give him all the credit in the world for coming forth with his struggles. You are in my prayers TJ. The one thing I’ll say that’s slightly devils advocate is that there’s a difference between discussing the team and players in a critical manner ie: man TJ just hasn’t developed the way we’d hoped or TJ struggling to hold onto the ball and “TJ you fuoking stink man”. Any one of those things could have caused his pain. 2 of the 3 I would call acceptable. GDTs are another issue all together. It’s a bunch of overdramatic heat of the moment posts but they stay there forever. Nobody thinks to delete them. @SluSignGuywhat do you think about deleting GDT an hour after the games and creating PGT. Idk workshopping on the fly here. let’s also not jump to conclusions as to the extent of this website and Billiken twitter played. Remember that TJ has had ESL heaping praise and pressure on his back for probably 10-15 years now. That weighs too. SLU_Nick likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Props to Lamont Evans and Sincere Parker for helping out a teammate in need. SLUMedBilliken15, stmdragons and HoosierPal like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: The one thing I’ll say that’s slightly devils advocate is that there’s a difference between discussing the team and players in a critical manner ie: man TJ just hasn’t developed the way we’d hoped or TJ struggling to hold onto the ball and “TJ you fuoking stink man”. Any one of those things could have caused his pain. 2 of the 3 I would call acceptable. GDTs are another issue all together. It’s a bunch of overdramatic heat of the moment posts but they stay there forever. Nobody thinks to delete them. @SluSignGuywhat do you think about deleting GDT an hour after the games and creating PGT. Idk workshopping on the fly here. let’s also not jump to conclusions as to the extent of this website and Billiken twitter played. Remember that TJ has had ESL heaping praise and pressure on his back for probably 10-15 years now. That weighs too. Totally agree that the GDTs are a cesspool of terrible overreactions in the moment. Sometimes, I won't read them if we are losing or if we have lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, CenHudDude said: Shame on any of us MBMs who may have trashed TJ or any of our players. They are 18 to 23 years old young men, who are impressionable. Some of them have more natural ability than others. They all have rigorous schedules for both academics and basketball. None of them need to see themselves trashed on a message board because we feel that the team is not performing up to our expectations. As for TJ himself, he has great athleticism and always plays hard. When he is not on the court, he is one of our best cheerleaders from the bench. I give him all the credit in the world for coming forth with his struggles. You are in my prayers TJ. 18-23 year old men fought and won World War II. I don't recall anyone trashing TJ any worse than anyone else. There was mainly speculation as to why he isn't playing more despite his obvious athleticism. Depression is not necessarily caused MBM speculation. It's an illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I want to add to this that Hargrove's depression may have something to do with Ford. Ford was severely limiting his playing time and in some games he would yank him out of the court when Hargrove was having a hot run. Never underestimate how important the relationship of a player with his coach may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, Old guy said: I want to add to this that Hargrove's depression may have something to do with Ford. Ford was severely limiting his playing time and in some games he would yank him out of the court when Hargrove was having a hot run. Never underestimate how important the relationship of a player with his coach may be. Did Ford also cause the war in Ukraine? Global Warming? The Joker's pregnancy? majerus mojo and juniorbill76 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettJollyComedyHour Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Billiken Rich said: Did Ford also cause the war in Ukraine? Global Warming? The Joker's pregnancy? I'm starting to wonder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Travis Ford is one diabolical dude. I could see old guy nominating him to be the next Bond villian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieBilliken Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: Did Ford also cause the war in Ukraine? Global Warming? The Joker's pregnancy? Didnt Ford spend the preseason in Wuhan one year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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