Taj79 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Howard suspended for rest of regular season. I agree with Mike and Tony ---- he needs anger management classes before he comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatskablamo Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Taj79 said: Howard suspended for rest of regular season. I agree with Mike and Tony ---- he needs anger management classes before he comes back. Perfect symmetry: Suspended for five fabulous games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Too light of a punishment. Any other adult and they lose their job. Had the wisconsin coach slapped Howard would he have gotten off so light? Highly doubt it thatskablamo likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatskablamo Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 8 hours ago, BigMouthBilliken said: Too light of a punishment. Any other adult and they lose their job. Had the wisconsin coach slapped Howard would he have gotten off so light? Highly doubt it Ever heard of a bank too big to fail? Juwan Howard has helped to create so much capital for the UM that he literally had enough goodwill in the account to finagle his way out of the worst possible punishment. And I think that is what Stephen A Smith was talking about today as well. Even though Woody Hayes crossed the line, Woody was on his way out and a generation behind. Firing Howard would set the Wolverines program back ten, maybe fifteen years. It is what it is, folks. UM could have sent a message, but Juwan Howard has given so much to that school as a player, alum and now coach that his own personal investment in the program merited just a proverbial slap on the wrist. I think you could easily argue the position that both sides here have put too much in to just throw it all away. On the flip side, he does have at least two major strikes on the sideline and I’m sure the AD and Mary Sue Coleman will be watching him with an eagle eye moving forward. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 As I use to tell high school coaches - everybody loves you until they don't. When they don't it usually is because you stopped winning. If Howard has problems winning next year things could start to get hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 12 hours ago, BigMouthBilliken said: Too light of a punishment. Any other adult and they lose their job. Had the wisconsin coach slapped Howard would he have gotten off so light? Highly doubt it I don’t know. My first reaction was he needs be fired, but I have come off that stance. I think we as society have reached a point where we want fire and cancel everyone when that shouldn’t be the case. I think it is fueled by social media where the most hardcore stances get the most interaction and are constantly echoed. The first hot takes of a few individuals have now become the accepted belief and the accepted way we operate as a society. Bills By 40 and thatskablamo like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, brianstl said: I don’t know. My first reaction was he needs be fired, but I have come off that stance. I think we as society have reached a point where we want fire and cancel everyone when that shouldn’t be the case. I think it is fueled by social media where the most hardcore stances get the most interaction and are constantly echoed. The first hot takes of a few individuals have now become the accepted belief and the accepted way we operate as a society. Talk about cancel culture all you want but the dude literally slapped another grown man. It's not like he made an insensitive remark or a crude joke. Society has nothing to do with this. He's supposed to be leader of young men? Come on. Any other job in any industry and there's zero tolerance. Maybe even the authorities are involved. 5 games is nothing. Should have been rest of season or fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBFan Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Standards in life should be consistent for everyone Michigan has in my opinion has different standards for their sports program which is not a surprise. Howard should have been fired. I am not of the cancel culture person that feels people should be fired because of what they say, Howard assaulted another coach. Howard put his hands on someone and that is against the law. I was a Howard fan I watched him play as part of the fab 5 for Michigan and the NBA. I never realized he had an anger control problem. I am concerned we will see more of this in college basketball since the slap on the wrist. None of us should not be surprised if a player hits another player now. The NCAA better not do anything if the NCAA does nothing to Howard. I do want to hear about a kid being kicked out of school for this since Michigan and the NCAA set the standards. BigMouthBilliken and thatskablamo like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Interesting that discussions have yet to break down along racial lines (which I believe have nothing to do with this). But the reality is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Taj79 said: Interesting that discussions have yet to break down along racial lines (which I believe have nothing to do with this). But the reality is there. Has nothing to do with it yet there would be calls for the assistant coach's head if he had hit Howard. Unfortunate reality and shouldn't be a factor yet that is the world we live in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Vols with 4 games left in regular season...2 games they should win on road with Mizzou tonight and UGA next week. The 2 home games are Auburn this week and Arkansas next week. I'd like to see them win all 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatskablamo Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, CBFan said: Standards in life should be consistent for everyone Michigan has in my opinion has different standards for their sports program which is not a surprise. Howard should have been fired. I am not of the cancel culture person that feels people should be fired because of what they say, Howard assaulted another coach. Howard put his hands on someone and that is against the law. I was a Howard fan I watched him play as part of the fab 5 for Michigan and the NBA. I never realized he had an anger control problem. I am concerned we will see more of this in college basketball since the slap on the wrist. None of us should not be surprised if a player hits another player now. The NCAA better not do anything if the NCAA does nothing to Howard. I do want to hear about a kid being kicked out of school for this since Michigan and the NCAA set the standards. I found it totally not shocking that even the UM AD wanted limited culpability - letting the Big Ten be Pontius Pilate in this scenario; he knows that the mob mentality wouldn’t be able to go from Ann Arbor to Chicago to standout with their pitchforks so he initially put the onus on the conference. Deflection was a smart move by him. However, you’re absolutely right that this has set a disturbing precedent. There will be players that try to test the limit of what they can get away with before the hammer falls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 In the 80's John Cheney tried to choke out the GW coach. In the 90's Cheney interrupted Calipari's press conference, charged after him and threatened to kill him. He didn't get fired. Just five years ago we had assistant coaches at Mizzou and UGA pushing, grabbing and poking each other in the face at half-time. They didn't get fired. I don't think what Howard did deserves a termination. I don't think he was trying to punch or slap the coach. I think he was trying to grab him. I do think he probably should have been suspended throughout the rest of this season and post-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 https://twitter.com/IlliniNewsTweet/status/1495512659135025154 For the uninitiated, that’s satire. Most who hail from Illinois will understand. Bizziken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatskablamo Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bay Area Billiken said: https://twitter.com/IlliniNewsTweet/status/1495512659135025154 For the uninitiated, that’s satire. Most who hail from Illinois will understand. Adding insult to injury that Lou Henson let him get away… sweet Lou didn’t have much after that 88-89 squad. That was right about the time Howard and his Vocational team hit the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, brianstl said: I don’t know. My first reaction was he needs be fired, but I have come off that stance. I think we as society have reached a point where we want fire and cancel everyone when that shouldn’t be the case. I think it is fueled by social media where the most hardcore stances get the most interaction and are constantly echoed. The first hot takes of a few individuals have now become the accepted belief and the accepted way we operate as a society. There are way more fights on the court than there used to be years ago. Coaches are supposed to be the cool headed ones that head off these incidents. Conferences and schools rely on the coaches to be the calming influence on the players to avoid such fights on the court. When a coach is the one that starts throwing the punches, that's a serious red flag that has to be addressed. Now that he has been given a slap on the wrist, albeit a pretty hard one, what happens the next time a Michigan player gets really pissed off at an opponent on the court and wants to hit him. Will he think, "better not do that or my coach will be mad at me," or does he think "hell coach don't put up with no sh*t, why should I." That's the dangerous message that Howard just sent. It is also why Dayton's Grant should have been suspended at least one game for running all the way across the court acting like he wanted to fight a fan. billiken_roy and Bay Area Billiken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: There are way more fights on the court than there used to be years ago. Coaches are supposed to be the cool headed ones that head off these incidents. Conferences and schools rely on the coaches to be the calming influence on the players to avoid such fights on the court. When a coach is the one that starts throwing the punches, that's a serious red flag that has to be addressed. Now that he has been given a slap on the wrist, albeit a pretty hard one, what happens the next time a Michigan player gets really pissed off at an opponent on the court and wants to hit him. Will he think, "better not do that or my coach will be mad at me," or does he think "hell coach don't put up with no sh*t, why should I." That's the dangerous message that Howard just sent. It is also why Dayton's Grant should have been suspended at least one game for running all the way across the court acting like he wanted to fight a fan. -really? Bizziken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Howard got a largely ceremonial slap on the wrist. The guy is a former NBA player. His "fine" would be like charging us a Benjamin. His suspension is all of 5 regular season games, 4 at home. Michigan and the B1G want that NCAA Unit ($$$). A classic is how the B1G drug Gard into it, a Solomon splitting of the baby, make up call. I highly doubt Gard gets fined absent Howard's antics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 6 hours ago, cgeldmacher said: There are way more fights on the court than there used to be years ago. Coaches are supposed to be the cool headed ones that head off these incidents. Conferences and schools rely on the coaches to be the calming influence on the players to avoid such fights on the court. When a coach is the one that starts throwing the punches, that's a serious red flag that has to be addressed. Now that he has been given a slap on the wrist, albeit a pretty hard one, what happens the next time a Michigan player gets really pissed off at an opponent on the court and wants to hit him. Will he think, "better not do that or my coach will be mad at me," or does he think "hell coach don't put up with no sh*t, why should I." That's the dangerous message that Howard just sent. It is also why Dayton's Grant should have been suspended at least one game for running all the way across the court acting like he wanted to fight a fan. 5 hours ago, Cowboy II said: -really? That's categorically false if you're looking at the pros. The NBA and ABA were way wilder back in the day. It's not even close, especially post-Malice in the Palace. Seems harder to verify for college but I also find that really hard to believe. Seems like recency bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cgeldmacher Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 16 hours ago, Pistol said: That's categorically false if you're looking at the pros. The NBA and ABA were way wilder back in the day. It's not even close, especially post-Malice in the Palace. Seems harder to verify for college but I also find that really hard to believe. Seems like recency bias. There are no statistics for how many bench clearing incidents there were in basketball in a particular decade. I am only basing my statement on having watched basketball since the 1980s. It seems to me that there are way more incidents where teams have to be separated in the past several years than there used to be. I know there are isolated incidents, especially in the NBA, that we are all aware of, but those seemed to be the exception back then. Now, pushing and shoving and teams having to be separated seems to be much more prevalent. Also, to be clear, I was talking about the college game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 These incidents are extremely rare in college basketball. For SLU i remember recently Gordon got into it with a player in the handshake line. Unfortunately SLU players fight each other more than the other team. The only brawl I can remember was at halftime against DePaul in Claggs Jr or Sr season. Punches were thrown but no one was removed from the game or even Teed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 At Seton Hall. He and Myles Powell had a skirmish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 9:14 AM, BigMouthBilliken said: He's supposed to be leader of young men? Come on. Any other job in any industry and there's zero tolerance. This shouldn't be compared to most jobs. Lets not compare college coaches to bank tellers. Michigan is/was a bubble team, and the HC got suspended the rest of the way. This is pretty fair. Especially if Michigan doesn't make it, now he's especially in more trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, wgstl said: This shouldn't be compared to most jobs. Lets not compare college coaches to bank tellers. Michigan is/was a bubble team, and the HC got suspended the rest of the way. This is pretty fair. Especially if Michigan doesn't make it, now he's especially in more trouble. No a college head coach has more responsibility then a bank teller. The bank teller is suppose to have others at the bank to keep them in check a coach not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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