billikenfan05 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, dlarry said: 81? Is he going to have them running the “4 corners offense?” The Bills should have brought him in last year to teach French underhanded Free-throws. His role on the staff is to bring the hard candies for the coaches offices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, NoCoBillsFan said: The Memphis game better not be close. I don’t need another year where I’m recklessly optimistic. Why would you want Memphis to hang with us? Wouldn't you rather us just blow them out? billiken_roy, Bills71 and NoCoBillsFan like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, dlarry said: 81? Is he going to have them running the “4 corners offense?” The Bills should have brought him in last year to teach French underhanded Free-throws. hahahaha i dont remember Larry Brown and Kansas being a big proponent of the 4 corners, but i get your statement. in my opinion, the 4 corners was fascinating. one guy (the point guard) could control the entire game by leading a game of keep away. the ncaa actually changed the rules to stop it. as an ancient old high school point guard, i know and appreciate how difficult that is to successfully do but of course at the higher levels of college basketball with all the elite players, of course the strongest teams would have those players to make that work. imo it is incredible that phil ford was not inducted into the college basketball hall of fame for decades after his career ended. he was the 4 corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Kenpom having us going 16-14 is keeping my blue kool aid chugging to a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I’m worried about our offense against Memphis. They were the #1 defensive team last year on KenPom and we will still be learning how to play without Perkins. I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost big… hope I’m wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, SLU_Nick said: Kenpom having us going 16-14 is keeping my blue kool aid chugging to a minimum. I'm not concerned about KenPom. They are weighting the loss of Goodwin, french, and Perkins heavily while not properly incorporating the gain of Nesbitt or Okoro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, BillsBeliever!!! said: I’m worried about our offense against Memphis. They were the #1 defensive team last year on KenPom and we will still be learning how to play without Perkins. I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost big… hope I’m wrong Even if we had Perkins, they still have the former number 1 and number 2 recruits from the class of 2022. I hope you're wrong too, but I'm tempering my expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 4 hours ago, SLU_Nick said: Kenpom having us going 16-14 is keeping my blue kool aid chugging to a minimum. Even Ken Pomeroy would tell you not to put much stock in preseason KenPom rankings, especially with a young team. He had us at 142 preseason two years ago and we ended up going 23-8 and finishing 62nd overall. In 2014-2015 he had us at 81 in the preseason and we ended up going 11-21 finishing 289th in the nation. A10Ref and Littlebill like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 11 hours ago, NH said: Even Ken Pomeroy would tell you not to put much stock in preseason KenPom rankings, especially with a young team. He had us at 142 preseason two years ago and we ended up going 23-8 and finishing 62nd overall. In 2014-2015 he had us at 81 in the preseason and we ended up going 11-21 finishing 289th in the nation. He certainly underestimated the "He Who Shalt Not Be Named" factor in 14-15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 22 hours ago, wgstl said: Larry Brown is 81, one may wonder how invested he actually is as far as coaching goes. Being closer to 81 than the vast majority of the members here, I can assure you that this is not an age at which people are likely to try new things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A10Ref Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Larry Brown probably walked into memphis and thought "this is a sh** show, but the price is right." I hope he's just cashing checks and adding to his trust. Billiken Rich likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I look at Larry Brown as a move by the Memphis powers to be a mentor to Penny with the goal being to keep Penny, a local favorite, while at the same time keeping the fan base happy. No doubting Penny's recruiting abilities. He's right up there with the worst of them; Calipari, Pearl, et al. But getting premium talent is not enough to get the job done. You have to be able to coach it as well. Brown will bring that talent to fruition, while at the same time tutoring Penny in the finer points of coaching. I view Brown as more of a consultant than an assistant coach. He's old enough that a HC position is not his goal at this point. That should ease Penny's mind so he's not looking over his shoulder wondering if his replacement is sitting next to him on the bench. Memphis wants Penny to succeed as he is a favorite son type coach and firing him would be a bad optic. They're gonna give him everything he needs to make Messphis a big time power. 3star_recruit likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A10Ref Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Also, some more context, Larry signed a one year 300k deal to be at Memphis. He's no doubt a great coach and, probably, business man. I imagine he'll give whatever effort he deems is worth 300k (he made around 3 mil per year at SMU). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I don’t think Larry Brown makes much of a difference. I think Memphis returns it’s top player in Quinones, and has a few other key returners. I think Duren and Bates are actually pretty good. You don’t really have to know anything about coaching when the players are good enough. Just get out of the way. We can beat them. By playing good defense and being smart with the ball. Playing tough and fighting for the boards. I think it is important to not expect everything from the players though, so the fan base does not throw an unproductive hissy fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, AnkielBreakers said: I don’t think Larry Brown makes much of a difference. I think Memphis returns it’s top player in Quinones, and has a few other key returners. I think Duren and Bates are actually pretty good. You don’t really have to know anything about coaching when the players are good enough. Just get out of the way. We can beat them. By playing good defense and being smart with the ball. Playing tough and fighting for the boards. I think it is important to not expect everything from the players though, so the fan base does not through an unproductive hissy fit. Oh that's coming this year I guarantee it. A10Ref and Bills By 40 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 If Memphis can get the new guys to buy into the type of defense they played last year, then I think Memphis is a legit Final Four contender. If they run the team as an NBA showcase, I think they will burn out in the NIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 https://twitter.com/studurando/status/1456662654098055171?s=21 Yuri, Nesbitt, Jimerson, TJ, Okoro, Linssen, Thatch, Williams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Memphis will be a very tall and athletic team. But can they play as a unit is to be seen. I'm like the rest of you, I have no idea on Penny's heavy rotation, but 6'9" F Williams, 6'7" G Nolley and 6'5" G Quinones are all returning starters from last season's team. Add 6'6" G transfer Timberlake, 6'11" F/C freshmen Duren and 6'9" F Bates, and you have an imposing first six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, NoCoBillsFan said: https://twitter.com/studurando/status/1456662654098055171?s=21 Yuri, Nesbitt, Jimerson, TJ, Okoro, Linssen, Thatch, Williams? Historically Coach has gone with an 8 + 2 rotation. If these are the 8, then who are the two that can 'hold the line' for short spurts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Historically Coach has gone with an 8 + 2 rotation. If these are the 8, then who are the two that can 'hold the line' for short spurts? I think Traore may play, not because he's the 9th best, but I think Franco and Linssen will run into foul problems often. Jones is our next best option at PG Then Strickland's athleticism/D vs Lorentsson's shooting will be matchup-based for sure HoosierPal likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Littlebill said: I think Traore may play, not because he's the 9th best, but I think Franco and Linssen will run into foul problems often. Jones is our next best option at PG Then Strickland's athleticism/D vs Lorentsson's shooting will be matchup-based for sure FrankO. How have we missed this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, Littlebill said: I think Traore may play, not because he's the 9th best, but I think Franco and Linssen will run into foul problems often. Jones is our next best option at PG Then Strickland's athleticism/D vs Lorentsson's shooting will be matchup-based for sure I think Nesbitt is our second best point guard, Question is will he play very much at point billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, wgstl said: I think Nesbitt is our second best point guard, Question is will he play very much at point Yeah I agree - I was more referring to Hoosier's q about the next 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, wgstl said: I think Nesbitt is our second best point guard, Question is will he play very much at point If Yuri really does play 33-34 min a game, then nobody besides Yuri will be playing much at point. But if Yuri gets 3 fouls in the first half on the road, Nesbitt can competently fill the playmaker role. That's who he's been most of his basketball life. His scoring prowess is a relatively late development. slufanskip and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: If Yuri really does play 33-34 min a game, then nobody besides Yuri will be playing much at point. But if Yuri gets 3 fouls in the first half on the road, Nesbitt can competently fill the playmaker role. That's who he's been most of his basketball life. His scoring prowess is a relatively late development. Yes practices and exhibitions but he passes wayyy better than I thought he would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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