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Fall 2017 allegations against unnamed players (aka Situation 2)


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9 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said:

ESPN shafts SLU in their A10 preview. Doesn't even talk about SLU other than Ford having the hardest job right now because of the situation. 

GloryRavs, when you're as bad as we've been the last 3 years, you're gonna have to earn preseason recognition.  Recruiting rankings alone aren't gonna do it. Win, and earn respect. It's that simple. 

A few years back, at the end of Majerus era, (i.e before your time as a fan) we were preseason #8 in the nation by Lindy's or something like that. But you have to earn that with results coupled with good recruiting. 

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11 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said:

ESPN shafts SLU in their A10 preview. Doesn't even talk about SLU other than Ford having the hardest job right now because of the situation. 

These rankings totally depend on what happens with S2. If nothing comes of it, they'll finish in the top third of the league. If worst case happens - it will be a long year. i don't think that is a stretch. 

However- St. Joe's in the tournament seems absolutely preposterous to me.

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This year is probably the most indifferent I've ever been to preseason rankings for SLU. No media members (or opposing coaches for that matter) have enough information on this team to make a good guess at how we'll do.

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6 minutes ago, NH said:

This year is probably the most indifferent I've ever been to preseason rankings for SLU. No media members (or opposing coaches for that matter) have enough information on this team to make a good guess at how we'll do.

Nor do we at this point. ^_^

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Just saw that (and posted the link at the same time). I was wondering if this is a way of the University preparing for some sort of announcement regarding the situation. Almost like the obligatory "we're gonna do something about this" but the players are not going to be suspended. Appease all parties. 

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33 minutes ago, Spoon-Balls said:

Just saw that (and posted the link at the same time). I was wondering if this is a way of the University preparing for some sort of announcement regarding the situation. Almost like the obligatory "we're gonna do something about this" but the players are not going to be suspended. Appease all parties. 

Anyone have a copy of the e-mail Pestello sent? I agree it could be what you said but without looking at the exact content it's difficult to assign any meaning. All the Post article did was highlight a couple points from the e-mail.

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Dear Members of the SLU Community,

 

As a follow-up to my Sept. 26 message, I am writing to share my continued distress about the behavior behind the reports of sexual misconduct across the nation, in higher education, and right here at SLU.

 

We are better than this as a country and as a University.

 

For years we have talked about statistics:

  • One in five women and one in 16 men are sexually assaulted while in college (Krebs, Lindquist, Warner, Fisher, & Martin, 2007).
  • The majority of these incidents (90%) on college campuses are never reported (Fisher, Cullen, & Turner, 2000).

 

While these statistics are disturbing, they allow us to observe from a distance. Behind each one of these numbers are people whose lives have been inexorably changed. We have to put a stop to this behavior. All of us have a responsibility to instill values and teach behaviors that aid in preventing sexual misconduct.

 

In recent weeks, we have seen more reports of sexual misconduct here at SLU. I think that’s due, in part, to our many programming and support efforts, the caring professionals, and thorough processes we have put in place that make members of our community feel confident that their accounts of sexual misconduct will be addressed promptly and that support for them will be immediate and ongoing.

 

But there is more work to be done. We need to do more to change the culture and climate on college and university campuses. We must do better to empower bystanders to intervene. We must do better to adopt the active use of effective consent. We need to look at the statistics as a challenge to do better. Normalcy should not be defined by prevalence. To do this, I need your help.

 

The University is committed to fostering a safe and supportive environment that ensures the development of a healthy mind, healthy body and healthy spirt for all. Our Catholic, Jesuit values require us to take courageous action.

 

Here are some of the new initiatives we are undertaking to expand our current sexual misconduct prevention efforts:

 

  • This academic year, all students will receive a climate survey that will include numerous questions related to student attitudes, behaviors and experiences linked to sexual misconduct. We will share our findings with the entire SLU community and use that student experience data to inform future interventions and programs that seek to curb sexual misconduct.
  • Beginning in the 2018-2019 academic year, all students (new and returning) must complete the Haven Online Sexual Misconduct Awareness Training before they will be permitted to register for classes. It is available on mySLU. Haven is a leading online program addressing the critical issues of sexual assault, relationship violence, stalking and sexual harassment – among students, faculty and staff.
  • Provost Brickhouse will work with faculty to identify ways to integrate sexual assault prevention and awareness education into course curricula.
  • We will engage leading national and culturally fluent experts to provide consultation and training on our campus and to help us strengthen on our prevention efforts.

 

In the next few weeks, other University leaders and I will meet with representatives of the student group, Assembly for the Prevention of Sexual Assault (ASAP), and collaborate with them to identify other ways to more effectively implement existing and new programs and actions. We will meet with any other student groups that desire to be a part of our collective effort to eradicate sexual misconduct. As always, I welcome any observations and suggestions from all of the SLU community.

 

I ask you to join me in this effort. Together, we will make it happen; we must make it happen.

 

Sincerely,

 

Fred P. Pestello, Ph.D.

President

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1 hour ago, Spoon-Balls said:

Just saw that (and posted the link at the same time). I was wondering if this is a way of the University preparing for some sort of announcement regarding the situation. Almost like the obligatory "we're gonna do something about this" but the players are not going to be suspended. Appease all parties. 

Either that or hes getting ready to drop the hammer

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8 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

If in our society and culture we would define sexual misconduct as "any sexually-related interaction outside of consensual loving activities between (and only between) the partners of a marriage," then some substantial progress can occur.

That kind of progress could make the theory of communism viable too.  The problem is that we are imperfect creatures and our society has moved way beyond the idea of sex only in marriage.   It was once something to aspire to and is now a punchline

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6 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said:

That kind of progress could make the theory of communism viable too.  The problem is that we are imperfect creatures and our society has moved way beyond the idea of sex only in marriage.   It was once something to aspire to and is now a punchline

You lost me in your first sentence; I'll need you to elaborate before I can respond to that.  As for the rest of it, I understand that we're flawed, but I fail to see how lowering the societal standards produces improvement.  People can laugh while descending into chaos.

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3 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

You lost me in your first sentence; I'll need you to elaborate before I can respond to that.  As for the rest of it, I understand that we're flawed, but I fail to see how lowering the societal standards produces improvement.  People can laugh while descending into chaos.

The theory of communism can only work if everyone is working to the best of there ability regardless of their compensation.  In a perfect world that can work.  The same perfect world, that never really was, that you would like to get back to.  There is no realistic way to raise societal standards short of a religious revival that I am not looking forward to.

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A lot of what goes on in the current world depends on image. I view this release as an "image" release, something that says 1. We are aware this is going on. 2. We are doing our best to define how bad the situation really is. 3. We will raise awareness and take measures to improve the situation. 

All nice and pretty but certainly parallel to whatever is going on behind doors at the law firm hired to deal with title IX (which is costly and which SLU does NOT want to be involved with frequently). From my point of view this kind of "We are doing all we possibly can be expected to do" statement has little to do with sanctions or remedies or what have you that will or may be taken at some unspecified time in the future (probably not the very distant future).

Finally, please let's not go into the theory of communism in this forum.

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11 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

You lost me in your first sentence; I'll need you to elaborate before I can respond to that.  As for the rest of it, I understand that we're flawed, but I fail to see how lowering the societal standards produces improvement.  People can laugh while descending into chaos.

One could make the argument that if society's standards are overly restrictive, then humans are more likely to rebel and take part in "inappropriate behaviors".  Same arguments apply with drugs and alcohol.  

Anybody watching The Deuce on HBO? As far as I can see, David Simon's basic theory is that the loosening of our laws regarding pornography during the 1970s helped lead to the removal of highly visible street-side prostitution in cities.  

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50 minutes ago, Quality Is Job 1 said:

If in our society and culture we would define sexual misconduct as "any sexually-related interaction outside of consensual loving activities between (and only between) the partners of a marriage," then some substantial progress can occur.

This retrenchment was already attempted by societal leaders in the 1950s.  The result was the sexual revolution of the 1960s.

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