David King Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 8:21 AM, billiken_roy said: it's my opinion the majority of D1 college athletes in the revenue sports never cared about an education. it was always about playing in the nfl or nba no matter how remote their possibility was. Your cynicism makes me sad. Your the one who is delusional if you think more than half of the Billikens think they will play in the NBA or more than half of Mizzou’s football team thinks they will play in the NFL. While some college athletes don’t care about the education, I disagree that most don’t care. In fact, whether they like it or not, most of the D1 college athletes in revenue sports that play 4 years end up getting a pretty good education. Most get a degree, and 4 yrs playing D1 football or basketball looks a lot better on a resume than my summer job painting houses during college. Athletic Scholarship students are forced to go to class and study hall with access to tutors. Not to mention the discipline and team work, etc. that they learn from playing on the team. In my opinion, most D1 college athletes in revenue sports get a far better education than they would if they didn’t have an athletic scholarship. Billiken Rich likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I never said they were good enough to play professionally, just that was there mindset to play college sports. They more or less have no interest in academic reasons. It's all about playing AGB91 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 48 minutes ago, David King said: Your cynicism makes me sad. Your the one who is delusional if you think more than half of the Billikens think they will play in the NBA or more than half of Mizzou’s football team thinks they will play in the NFL. While some college athletes don’t care about the education, I disagree that most don’t care. In fact, whether they like it or not, most of the D1 college athletes in revenue sports that play 4 years end up getting a pretty good education. Most get a degree, and 4 yrs playing D1 football or basketball looks a lot better on a resume than my summer job painting houses during college. Athletic Scholarship students are forced to go to class and study hall with access to tutors. Not to mention the discipline and team work, etc. that they learn from playing on the team. In my opinion, most D1 college athletes in revenue sports get a far better education than they would if they didn’t have an athletic scholarship. “Dumb jock” is a stereotype! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Whatever happened to that mathematical formula they used to measure against teams for grad rates? Guys had five years to get a degree (now likely six) to tally positively to the school's overall grad rate. I seem to recall Tommie Liddell being a bug in that system for us. I imagine it's gone or the accounting has gone plumb wild given grad transfers, transfer portal and all the crap that is the college norm now. I recall kshoe being pretty educated on that stuff a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 50 minutes ago, Taj79 said: Whatever happened to that mathematical formula they used to measure against teams for grad rates? Guys had five years to get a degree (now likely six) to tally positively to the school's overall grad rate. I seem to recall Tommie Liddell being a bug in that system for us. I imagine it's gone or the accounting has gone plumb wild given grad transfers, transfer portal and all the crap that is the college norm now. I recall kshoe being pretty educated on that stuff a few years back. APR is DOD...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 On 8/2/2023 at 1:24 PM, 3star_recruit said: Thanks for your honesty. Here's one of the articles that probably gets thrown around. As a point of reference 24/7 doesn't list Dandridge among the 150 top transfers: https://www.wvnews.com/bluegoldnews/nil-compensation-data-puts-numbers-to-speculation/article_689b9db2-0958-11ee-89a6-07d56b9807df.html I saw this article which is more in line with the higher numbers I had been seeing posted/rumored about. As I posted before, I have no firsthand information or knowledge on any of this, so I have no clue how valid this is or relevant it is to guys we pursued. The article points to the portal getting a bit out of hand this spring which lines up with things our coaches have kind of alluded to. I suppose it is important to have a good idea what you are competing against. Candid Coaches: What NIL price is a projected high-major starter in the transfer looking portal looking for? - CBSSports.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 On 8/31/2023 at 12:50 PM, TheChosenOne said: I saw this article which is more in line with the higher numbers I had been seeing posted/rumored about. As I posted before, I have no firsthand information or knowledge on any of this, so I have no clue how valid this is or relevant it is to guys we pursued. The article points to the portal getting a bit out of hand this spring which lines up with things our coaches have kind of alluded to. I suppose it is important to have a good idea what you are competing against. Candid Coaches: What NIL price is a projected high-major starter in the transfer looking portal looking for? - CBSSports.com The articles thesis is it is a must for all college programs to build their teams from the transfer market even though only a small percentage can afford to do that. I don't know why any coach would participate in this nonsense. Recruit HSers, hope they stay and pay to keep established players. Just keep reloading with HS players. The talent on the transfer outside of maybe the top 3-5 players isn't program changing. If you remove the market for transfers, there won't be any. CenHudDude and dlarry like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 So he would need a waiver , is that correct?? 2 time transfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Or is he a grad transfer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, BLIKNS said: So he would need a waiver , is that correct?? 2 time transfer Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Players still entering the portal. Hasn't school started? Is academics an item on the decision tree anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Players still entering the portal. Hasn't school started? is academics an item on the decision tree anymore? -so he would be a two time transfer needing a waiver, correct? -did any waivers for two time transfers in football get approved? trying to see if we have hope of getting one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cowboy II said: -so he would be a two time transfer needing a waiver, correct? -did any waivers for two time transfers in football get approved? trying to see if we have hope of getting one No waiver needed. McNair is a grad transfer. HoosierPal likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 In these situations you'd expect him to move closer to his hometown Philly but he's shown a willingness to go anywhere. Las Cruces and Starkvegas aren't garden spots. If I'm him I'm calling Romar at Pepperdine or FGCU. But any A-10 school is a good option because he'll play in his hometown guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 hours ago, HoosierPal said: Players still entering the portal. Hasn't school started? Is academics an item on the decision tree anymore? Grad transfers already have degrees. This is a way to extend their playing careers while taking a light class load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 3 hours ago, 3star_recruit said: Grad transfers already have degrees. This is a way to extend their playing careers while taking a light class load. How many Grad transfers get advanced degrees? That should be the focus. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendelprof Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 5 hours ago, HoosierPal said: Players still entering the portal. Hasn't school started? Is academics an item on the decision tree anymore? Sure, school has started, but every school has a start date and then a "drop dead" date by which a student must be enrolled. One of my sons went to SLU, graduated with an engineering degree, and then came back to CA. He took the summer off to celebrate his degree, and didn't really start the process of looking for a job until sometime around the start of the school year. He had an interview in CA where at the end of the interview they asked him if he could provide an academic reference. He wrote one of his favorite professors that Friday morning. The professor immediaely wrote back and said that he (the professor) had just landed a National Science Foundation grant, and if my son could get on a plane and be in class Monday morning, he could get him a full scholarship (for a Master's degree) and hire him to work on the grant project. It was weeks after classes had started. It can be done - and is done - for students the school wants, whether it is for athletic or academic reasons. And yes, my son was on a plane the next day and in class that Monday morning. He had missed a few weeks of classes, but he was able to catch up. cgeldmacher, willie and brianstl like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 -I don't know if any two-time football transfer waivers were granted, but seeing the one in the link being denied doesn't raise hopes we'll get one but who knows, perhaps the NCAA was getting back at UNC for the no class issue https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38347273/north-carolina-wr-tez-walker-appeal-denied-ineligible-23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 NCAA denies Football 2x transfer appeal. Kid didn't play his first season, yet NCAA is counting it. From Athlon Sports. Earlier today, the NCAA denied Walker's transfer waiver appeal — ruling him ineligible for the entire 2023 season. Walker was denied immediate eligibility on the basis of the NCAA's two-time transfer rules. The star wide receiver began his collegiate career at North Carolina Central, but never played for the team due to the COVID-19 pandemic. He then transferred to Kent State where he earned first-team All-MAC honors this past season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Have any 2x transfers had their transfer waivers accepted? Based on some of these posts it seems like a real long shot we will be seeing Ezewiro this winter, but maybe I am wrong (I certainly haven’t followed it closely)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: Have any 2x transfers had their transfer waivers accepted? Based on some of these posts it seems like a real long shot we will be seeing Ezewiro this winter, but maybe I am wrong (I certainly haven’t followed it closely)? Ezewiro will be sitting. No way it is getting approved unless some denial files a lawsuit and the NCAA gets cold feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenbooster Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 If he sits, how many years of eligibility does he have left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I'm guessing two. One done at LSU. Two at Georgetown. That would put him on the five-to-play-four time line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 11 hours ago, Billikenbooster said: If he sits, how many years of eligibility does he have left? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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