O.T. Conference Shuffle ( OU and Texas inquire about joining SEC)

[almaman]

this maybe on here already a list of the 28 Jesuit USA college & universities. 

https://boler.jcu.edu/why-boler/our-network/association-of-jesuit-colleges-and-universities/#:~:text=The Association of Jesuit Colleges,higher learning throughout the world.

[HoosierPal]

Just WOW.

 

[Lord Elrond]

15 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

Just WOW.

 

Wow is right…

[billikenfan05]

5 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:

Wow is right…

 

The Cuonzo hire really signaled the end of Missouri State's interest in putting a serious basketball program together. This is surprising in that there were no real rumblings. Other than that it makes a lot of sense. 

[HoosierPal]

8 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:

Wow is right…

Gotta be a football move. 
The Valley isn’t having a good off season. 

[Slu let the dogs out?]

[Pistol]

The Valley has always been proactive and smart when replacing departing members but every time it happens, the options become fewer and weaker.

If they want to replace MSU and stay at 12, they're going to have to look at the Horizon, Summit, and OVC. I'm not sure there are any realistic options outside of those leagues (unless they think Chicago State could bail on the NEC and commit to athletics, wink).

If I ran the MVC, I'd be calling a lot of ADs today. St. Thomas, Oral Roberts, Morehead State, NKU, and quite a few other Summit and Horizon schools. If football aspirations don't stand in the way, there are still some intriguing options out there.

[OkieBilliken]

This would move Mo State into the Football Bowl Subdivision.   They have been a mediocre football team in the FCS.  In order to be a decent FBS team, you have to have a ton of NIL $$$$ committed to football.  They better have a plan to win and generate a bunch more revenue.  That CUSA tv revenue isn’t that much.  Wow!  It’s a ballsy move.   Where is that Valley fan now???  

[slufan13]

Which poster will bring up the question/topic that always follows? Taking bets 

[jonny karate]

24 minutes ago, slufan13 said:

Which poster will bring up the question/topic that always follows? Taking bets 

The slu to valley topic? Lol. I do Wonder what those folks think of this

[brianstl]

46 minutes ago, OkieBilliken said:

This would move Mo State into the Football Bowl Subdivision.   They have been a mediocre football team in the FCS.  In order to be a decent FBS team, you have to have a ton of NIL $$$$ committed to football.  They better have a plan to win and generate a bunch more revenue.  That CUSA tv revenue isn’t that much.  Wow!  It’s a ballsy move.   Where is that Valley fan now???  

They been pretty aggressive trying to build their football program up over the last decade and have had mixed success in the toughest football conference in the FCS.  Honestly they probably waited 3 or 4 years too long to pull the trigger.  They probably would have got into the Sun Belt if they would have made the move then.  That is a much better conference for both football and basketball then what calls itself the CUSA today.

[SLU_Lax]

I wonder what Conference USA gains. This just gives them a team and numbers help, but it doesn’t seem to bring any other benefits in recruiting, travel, SOS, TV revenue, or anything else. 

[TheA_Bomb]

A better move in my mind would be to the MAC.  UMASS to the MAC makes 13 teams, SMS could be 14. Better conference with regional alignment. 

Plus added bonus of tie in to the Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl presented by Snoop and Dre Gin and Juice.*

SPUMAC lite being dumb

 

* This is not a joke this is real

[JMM28]

Chasing the football dream. In another 5-10 years, Missouri State and CUSA will just be back playing the MVC-F teams at the same level. 

[brianstl]

17 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said:

A better move in my mind would be to the MAC.  UMASS to the MAC makes 13 teams, SMS could be 14. Better conference with regional alignment. 

Plus added bonus of tie in to the Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl presented by Snoop and Dre Gin and Juice.*

SPUMAC lite being dumb

 

* This is not a joke this is real

Do people not understand how bad the MAC actually is?  It is the worst FBS football conference and is a OVC level conference in basketball.  As bad as CUSA has become, it still is better than the MAC.  I am probably not exaggerating much if at all when I say the football played in the MVC Football conference is better overall than the MAC.

[HoosierPal]

Here is a FAQ on the move from today's Springfield News Leader.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2024/05/10/missouri-state-conference-usa-faq-football-fbs-fcs-espn-tv-deal-expenses-clif-smart-mvc-valley/73640659007/

[TheA_Bomb]

16 minutes ago, brianstl said:

Do people not understand how bad the MAC actually is?  It is the worst FBS football conference and is a OVC level conference in basketball.  As bad as CUSA has become, it still is better than the MAC.  I am probably not exaggerating much if at all when I say the football played in the MVC Football conference is better overall than the MAC.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10104303-ranking-every-college-football-conference-after-the-2023-24-season

Last season CUSA barely edged out the MAC in average ESPN FPI.  MAC #10 with CUSA #9 of 10 total.  So yes last year it's the worst.  But CUSA isn't much better. MAC has more regional alignment for a Midwest school.

For basketball there's more of a gap. Per KenPom CUSA was #15 and MAC 24 last season.

If you're a SPUMAC Lite fan who would you rather play? Liberty, and Jacksonville St or Miami, and Ohio?  

Plus did you miss the part about the Snoop Dogg Bowl?

But to answer the question I didn't realize how bad the MAC is now. However, the difference in football with CUSA is negligible and basketball the gap is bigger but still they're both one bid leagues.

I'm glad I'm not a fan of that school.

[Lord Elrond]

54 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said:

A better move in my mind would be to the MAC.  UMASS to the MAC makes 13 teams, SMS could be 14. Better conference with regional alignment. 

Plus added bonus of tie in to the Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl presented by Snoop and Dre Gin and Juice.*

SPUMAC lite being dumb

 

* This is not a joke this is real

I think UMass tried to join the C-USA, and was rejected, so went to the MAC as the second (maybe only interested) choice. Missouri State to C-USA was all about football from Missouri State’s perspective. Not sure what C-USA gets out of this, unless they are expecting other departures from their conference.

[billikenfan05]

 

LETS GET WEIRD!!!

[Brighton]

MVC: "Lindenwood, come on down !"

 

They would be fools not to at least talk to them.

[BLIKNS]

See the as a good move for the WCC, Bay Area Billiken, said this may happen... Remember Oregon State and Washington State will be temporary basketball only members.. Adding logical regional markets , is that even allowed anymore???

 

 

 

 

 

[BLIKNS]

Good for MO State ... another hit to the Valley... Will the Salukis and or Northern Iowa also follow..

C-USA is kind of the Island of Misfit Toys... but is a place for teams to go into the FBS

Thought the A- Sun and WAC were going to have a merger, and start a new FBS conference 

[Aquinas]

This will greatly increase their travel footprint and travel costs for all sports.

[Lord Elrond]

This gets more interesting the more I look into it, I’m not sure it impacts any other school, or if it means the MVC is looking for a new member or not. 
There are actually two Missouri Valley Conferences, the MVC for all sports except football, and the Missouri Valley Football Conference, which is a FCS football only conference. Missouri State was a member of both, and left both conferences to join the C-USA. No Summit League team or Horizon League team is likely to join, both those conferences are non-football. (Matter of fact, the Missouri Valley Football conference already has North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota, and South Dakota state from the Summit League and Youngstown State from the Horizon League as full members). The OVC is more interesting, because they are already a FBS conference, so moving to the MVFC would mean a step down to FCS football.

Most likely outcome is the MVC adds a non-football school (if they decide they need one) and the MVFC goes looking for a football only addition. Probably separate schools.

[thatskablamo]

31 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:

This gets more interesting the more I look into it, I’m not sure it impacts any other school, or if it means the MVC is looking for a new member or not. 
There are actually two Missouri Valley Conferences, the MVC for all sports except football, and the Missouri Valley Football Conference, which is a FCS football only conference. Missouri State was a member of both, and left both conferences to join the C-USA. No Summit League team or Horizon League team is likely to join, both those conferences are non-football. (Matter of fact, the Missouri Valley Football conference already has North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota, and South Dakota state from the Summit League and Youngstown State from the Horizon League as full members). The OVC is more interesting, because they are already a FBS conference, so moving to the MVFC would mean a step down to FCS football.

Most likely outcome is the MVC adds a non-football school (if they decide they need one) and the MVFC goes looking for a football only addition. Probably separate schools.

So just taking a glance at their footprint, those schools would be like an IU-Indy (formerly IUPUI), Bellarmine in Louisville and for the sake of raiding the Horizon League, let’s say UW-Milwaukee? They grabbed UIC from the Horizon. The talking heads who cover the Valley are even suggesting Oral Bob and UT-Arlington, which would bring the conference back into Oklahoma and Texas. So many good Valley games when Tubby was at Tulsa and Mo Cheeks was at West Texas State. Going to be very interesting to see who they add to the fold.