Lord Elrond Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 33 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: I didn't see this coming. Pac 12 may not be dead. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41226997/sources-boise-state-four-schools-set-join-pac-12 https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pac-12-poaches-mountain-west-schools-to-join-oregon-state-washington-state-as-conference-rebuilds/ Does not mean it gets back to previous TV revenues or prestige in college football. TV dollars will look at market size and potential viewership for rights fees. Boise Idaho and other cities do not add up to LA market size. For things like college football playoff places, the fact that they are using the old conference name will not matter. To be seen what this ends up meaning, other than the destruction of the Mountain West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Thinking about geographic populations is the old way of thinking. The new way of thinking is subscribers. The population of Pocatello isn't a factor but fan engagement and support is. BSU has good support and some name recognition so it's a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 It’s not the number of subscribers, in the streaming world it’s the number of people you can get to pay for content. There is still a correlation to population, with some consideration to how many of those potential content consumers are wealthy (I.e. extra money to spend). Yes BSU has some recognition, but are there enough who you can get to fork out money to see these games? TBD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 The Mountain West plus two also-rans from the Pac 12 just seems like a rebranded Mountain West to me. What do our West Coast folks think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 43 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said: It’s not the number of subscribers, in the streaming world it’s the number of people you can get to pay for content. AKA subscribers Yes there's correlation to population but primarily it's the importance of sports to that population. Anyway, PAC-12 is doing what they can, these were the best options they had after screwing it up. Texas nearly joined the PAC-12 years ago how far the conference has fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieBilliken Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 22 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: AKA subscribers Yes there's correlation to population but primarily it's the importance of sports to that population. Anyway, PAC-12 is doing what they can, these were the best options they had after screwing it up. Texas nearly joined the PAC-12 years ago how far the conference has fallen. I was living in OKC at the time. Texas & OU we’re headed to the PAC 12. The only thing that stopped it was the powerful people in the state Legislature wouldn’t allow the OU conference change unless Oklahoma State was also included. The PAC 12 at the time didn’t want anything to do with Okla State, and Texas wasn’t going without OU. Then the Longhorn Network premiered that was supposed to change everything (but in the end had no impact). Amazing how much changes in 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 2 hours ago, OkieBilliken said: I was living in OKC at the time. Texas & OU we’re headed to the PAC 12. The only thing that stopped it was the powerful people in the state Legislature wouldn’t allow the OU conference change unless Oklahoma State was also included. The PAC 12 at the time didn’t want anything to do with Okla State, and Texas wasn’t going without OU. Then the Longhorn Network premiered that was supposed to change everything (but in the end had no impact). Amazing how much changes in 10 years. LHN is an interesting side story. Texas wanted the B12 to be a trend setter in having a conference channel. The B12 being the fools they are, didn't see the point. So UT went alone. Texas got paid big money by ESPN to have LHN but it coincided with a decade of football mediocrity. SPUMAC, aTm, Nebraska site it and Texas' hold on the B12 as a reason they changed conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 9/12/2024 at 12:48 PM, 3star_recruit said: The Mountain West plus two also-rans from the Pac 12 just seems like a rebranded Mountain West to me. What do our West Coast folks think? A key is what happens to the ACC, and if Cal and Stanford become available to "return" to the PAC, although I don't see that happening. The PAC-2 are sitting on boatloads of left behind PAC-12 money, can afford this move. The newcomers to the PAC may not have the biggest names, but Boise State, San Diego State and Fresno State have good football programs, and San Diego State, Boise State and Colorado State have good basketball programs. The new PAC-6 needs at least 2 more schools to reach the required 8. The PAC-2 (Oregon State and Washington State) have another year in their 2 year grace period to get at least 2 more to join the new PAC. They have a number of options from both the Mountain West (UNLV) and the American. There is speculation about expanding into Texas (North Texas, UTSA, good TV markets). Memphis and Tulane have also been mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 14 minutes ago, Bay Area Billiken said: A key is what happens to the ACC, and if Cal and Stanford become available to "return" to the PAC, although I don't see that happening. The PAC-2 are sitting on boatloads of left behind PAC-12 money, can afford this move. The newcomers to the PAC may not have the biggest names, but Boise State, San Diego State and Fresno State have good football programs, and San Diego State, Boise State and Colorado State have good basketball programs. The new PAC-6 needs at least 2 more schools to reach the required 8. The PAC-2 (Oregon State and Washington State) have another year in their 2 year grace period to get at least 2 more to join the new PAC. They have a number of options from both the Mountain West (UNLV) and the American. There is speculation about expanding into Texas (North Texas, UTSA, good TV markets). Memphis and Tulane have also been mentioned. Yeah, if Cal and Stanford wanted to be in this new PAC they would have formed it with OSU and WSU instead of joining the ACC. Cal and Stanford don't want to be in conference with institutions they believe are far below them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted September 19 Author Share Posted September 19 Alot of rumors flying around regarding the Pac 12 , Mountain West.. Have seen UTSA, Memphis , Tulare, UNLV as possible targets for the Pac 12. Even USF ( South Florida ) UTEP and Texas State possible Mountain West target Air Force as possible AAC target, get the 3 service academies together... Say for the sake of saying Memphis , Tulane leave... Would that make Wichita State think about wanting to be in a Basketball driven league? Would the Big 12 go after Hawaii to be in 5 time zones?? Alot more moves coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 I'm surprised Nevada, UNLV, Utah State and New Mexico wouldn't just join the Pac 12 - boom, there you would have a Pac 10 again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 17 minutes ago, BLIKNS said: Alot of rumors flying around regarding the Pac 12 , Mountain West.. Have seen UTSA, Memphis , Tulare, UNLV as possible targets for the Pac 12. Even USF ( South Florida ) UTEP and Texas State possible Mountain West target Air Force as possible AAC target, get the 3 service academies together... Say for the sake of saying Memphis , Tulane leave... Would that make Wichita State think about wanting to be in a Basketball driven league? Would the Big 12 go after Hawaii to be in 5 time zones?? Alot more moves coming I'm reading similar- Memphis, Tulane (New Orleans market), UNLV (Las Vegas market), South Florida (Tampa market) to Pac-12, with expansion into Texas (UTSA, North Texas) also mentioned. I've also seen mention of Air Force to AAC, although there was also mention of Air Force to the Pac-12, reasoning that to get the Denver market, the Pac-12 would need both Colorado State and Air Force. The Pac-2 (Oregon State and Washington State) is sitting on boatloads of left behind Pac-12 money, and is able to make these moves. New Pac-12 TV money, while not at Power 4 level, is expected to still be more than in the AAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Reports are out that Gonzaga has joined the new Pac 12. Reports are also out saying they aren't joining the new Pac 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 Crazy . Saw Memphis,, Tulane, UTSA and USF ( South Florida ) say they will remain in the AAC . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 21 minutes ago, BLIKNS said: Crazy . Saw Memphis,, Tulane, UTSA and USF ( South Florida ) say they will remain in the AAC . https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41403363/memphis-tulane-usf-utsa-commit-aac-amid-pac-12-interest In addition, ESPN has confirmed that Air Force has pledged its commitment to stay in the Mountain West. That is in the form of a memorandum of understanding that will allow the league to work toward a television deal and grant of rights. And for what it's worth, https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10136512-report-gonzaga-pac-12-in-serious-talks-amid-conference-realignment-rumors https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1784775/gonzaga-pac-12-bulldogs-new-conference-conflicting-reports/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenHudDude Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 38 minutes ago, thetorch said: Reports are out that Gonzaga has joined the new Pac 12. Reports are also out saying they aren't joining the new Pac 12. 59/50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenHudDude Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Just now, CenHudDude said: 59/50 Typo: 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 McMurphy reporting that not only is Gonzaga headed to the PAC 12, but will be get the same revenue sharing amount as the football schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HoosierPal Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 43 minutes ago, brianstl said: McMurphy reporting that not only is Gonzaga headed to the PAC 12, but will be get the same revenue sharing amount as the football schools. Kind of funny. Put it out there, it's gotta be true, unless it isn't. Wait 12 hour and see what tomorrow brings. Realignment is ON. The WCC, MWC, AAC, and PAC 12 are all in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted Tuesday at 03:17 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:17 PM WCC is toast. Gonzaga to the Big East not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted Tuesday at 04:01 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:01 PM Purely hypothetical: If offered, would you want SLU to join the PAC12, now that Gonzaga is in? 9pm starts would be terrible, but I think it’s a strong enough conference that you say yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted Tuesday at 04:21 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:21 PM 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: WCC is not toast. Gonzaga to the Big East not gonna happen. -wow, I see this as a smart move by Gonz as who knows what will happen to their program after Coach Few Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIKNS Posted Tuesday at 04:47 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 04:47 PM Saw rumor Pac 12 could also be targeting Grand Canyon and St. Mary's .. would still need an 8th football member.. On a side note UTEP to the Mountain West, giving them 8. No word on Texas State . My wish A-10 tries for Wichita State and College of Charleston... 14 or 16 does it really make a difference anymore. Missouri Valley losing Mo State ,to C-USA ... could see some movement there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquinas Posted Tuesday at 06:07 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:07 PM I thought Ganzaga might be the centerpiece of a basketball only conference. Would I want SLU to join, Pac 12. No! 1. It's almost all west coast. 2 time zones, no traditional rivals. 2. It's a football conference, with all of the football schools, wanting to be in better football conferences. = no stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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