Slu let the dogs out? Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Didn't see this posted yet: https://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/benjamin-hochman/hochman-slu-s-goodwin-praised-by-claggett-and-hughes/article_471f8367-2cdc-586e-9427-e195643dbf02.html My favorite part of the article? The entire paragraph in the middle of the article talking about Mizzou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 fan Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Pretty cool that Tatum sends a text everyday about working hard to JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Strange the other post writer managed to do an article on MU without mentioning SLU. Quality Is Job 1 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said: Didn't see this posted yet: Someone posted it in the Post SLU rebounding thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Did Hochman need to bring up Missouri in the article? NO. But he does seem to be taking a real interest in our program. Don't ***** too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, willie said: Did Hochman need to bring up Missouri in the article? NO. But he does seem to be taking a real interest in our program. Don't ***** too much. b.s. he made dam sure that we are more or less lucky to be mentioned with the greatness of mi$$ouri existing. i say either write a billiken article or write another dam tiger article. but out of respect, he shouldnt mix the two. this came off patronizing imo. it really pizzed me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, willie said: Did Hochman need to bring up Missouri in the article? NO. But he does seem to be taking a real interest in our program. Don't ***** too much. Yea I disagree. I posted that in the other thread, if you are going to write an article on Goodwin, write it on Goodwin. He could've just said, "he may be one of the best players in the state" without qualifiers and people can debate Goodwin vs Tilmon if they want. Then the stretch to "oh speaking of Mizzou and Whitfield" to tie in Blackwell. Looking at the sports section right now, there are 3 different articles about Blackwell going to Mizzou, did he really have to find that random way to insert her into an article about Goodwin? I'm all for taking an interest in the local teams but you don't need to tie it back to his favorite school all the time. It would've been a great article without those random Mizzou quips. majerus mojo likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Hochman is a columnist . He is not a Billiken basketball writer. As I said I don't think it was necessary but I don't believe it's the sin that you and Roy do. JohnnyJumpUp likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, willie said: Hochman is a columnist . He is not a Billiken basketball writer. As I said I don't think it was necessary but I don't believe it's the sin that you and Roy do. and a damn sucky columnist imo. hope he gets shipped to the west coast to write for a paper in fresno or something akin. we dont need him here. no one is asking him to be a billiken writer. just stay on frickin topic. is that so hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Mizzou will tank this year in the sec while slu is number 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: and a damn sucky columnist imo. hope he gets shipped to the west coast to write for a paper in fresno or something akin. we dont need him here. no one is asking him to be a billiken writer. just stay on frickin topic. is that so hard? Man do you need to lighten up. Everything in your life is either black or white. There is a shade of gray. Littlebill, cheeseman, VeniceMenace and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_06 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I wouldn't say sin or something along those lines, just in my opinion, it made for a poor article. He had a great idea for a column, talk to two local SLU legends about another potential one but then he adds like a stream of thought that is just Mizzou things that were on his mind. Another article about Goodwin starting a trend of kids staying close to home and if he wants to include the Mizzou players, fine go ahead. You would have to include Thatch too because that is about same distance from St. Louis as Columbia. Of course with an asterisk, I would argue staying home started with Austin Gillmann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I think the issue here is the title of the column. He advertises it as a Goodwin article but trails off into irrelevant things. I don't think there would be anything to complaint about if he advertised the article as a State of Basketball in Missouri article or something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, willie said: Man do you need to lighten up. Everything in your life is either black or white. There is a shade of gray. i question your acceptance of once again patronizing the billikens. at some point we deserve our day in the sun and this team seems to be a great chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Hochman is terrible but at least we don't have to read anything from Ortiz Billiken Rich, RUBillsFan, gobillsgo and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: i question your acceptance of once again patronizing the billikens. at some point we deserve our day in the sun and this team seems to be a great chance. I view this as the glass is half full. Hochman has had several articles on the Bills this month. I don't think Bernie wrote that many about the Bills in 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, willie said: I view this as the glass is half full. Hochman has had several articles on the Bills this month. I don't think Bernie wrote that many about the Bills in 5 years. so you want to compare him to just about the biggest billiken hater / non-believer of all time and are thrilled he gives us a smidgen of press? i guess i expect a little more respect and credence than you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 So the part in question is in bold here: He’s the top player on the top team in the conference, a St. Louis U. Billiken from the St. Louis area. SLU, if you haven’t heard, was picked to win the Atlantic 10 Conference, and its sophomore from Centreville is the center of attention, even though Goodwin plays in the backcourt. With an asterisk, he’s the best basketball player in the state — Mizzou’s Jontay Porter isn’t playing this season after a bad knee injury. And Goodwin has exemplified this renaissance of area talent actually staying in the area. Freshman teammate Carte’Are Gordon was also a top-100 player coming out of Webster Groves High School. Over at Mizzou, top-100 center Jeremiah Tilmon might make me eat my words about Goodwin, and the former East St. Louis player is teammates with the talented freshman from Whitfield, Torrence Watson. Oh, speaking of Whitfield stars and Mizzou, Aijha Blackwell announced Monday night that she’ll play for the Tigers next season — according to espnW, she’s the No. 8 high school senior in the nation. The first time I read it, I'll also admit to being like, "WTF, why is he talking about Mizzou here?" But after reading again, he is tying a trend together, that more STL-area players are staying in state to go to SLU and Mizzou, and he does talk about Gordon before Tilmon, Watson, and Blackwell. And while I think he'd be better served talking about the HS seniors about to go to SLU - Collins and Hargrove - I still get that this point is probably geared toward your more general STL sports fan and not just us hardcore SLU fans. It's probably interesting to them that all these local kids are suddenly staying home to go to these two programs. I'd have to read through a lot of Mizzou articles to see whether he's doing the same thing when talking about Watson or Tilmon - I can't imagine him being mid-piece on one or both of those guys and including the same paragraph, but in reverse - but I don't feel like doing that research. Anyway, we've been screaming for years that we don't get enough coverage and we've gotten a bunch lately. It's not perfect but it's progress. Because we all know deep down this is based on clicks for them and Mizzou gets a lot more than we do. Numbers are numbers. Don't take it all too personally. Start winning and we'll see more. dlarry, Coach314, rgbilliken and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniorbill76 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I wish the season would start already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, juniorbill76 said: I wish the season would start already. First exhibition (Quincy) is this week — Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Can't wait for it to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The board always gets a little paranoid the closer we get to the start of a new season. It's in our Billiken DNA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I like Hochman. willie likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slu let the dogs out? Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 I'll gladly give up a few sentences here and there so Hochman can scratch his Mizzou itch if it means there will be an article on SLU basketball every day or two. HoosierPal and rgbilliken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Box and Won said: I like Hochman. I’ve always liked his content. I don’t like is his constant 90’s pop culture references in an attempt to be funny. I think he has gotten better with that though. At first, his articles were nothing but Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Full House gags but it seems he has gotten away from that. I’m still not completely sold on him as a writer but he puts in the effort and seems to be improving. as for this article, I wasn’t thrilled about the Mizzou references but I won’t let it get my panties in a bunch. Overall it was a good piece. Box and Won and billikenfan05 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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