William Iken Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, cheeseman said: I am beginning to think that the consensual sex is not the issue here. From the girl's attorney statement it sounds like the issue is the non consensual (alleged) picture/video taking as well as the release no matter how inadvertent. This may be good news in the sense that if only one or two took the pictures and only one released it by mistake then the other two may not have a huge problem. Given that AD and Graves have left and Bishop and JG are still on campus I can not help to wonder if they know what the decision from the appeal will basically be. That's exactly the issue (it seems). But again, only one player took and posted the video (again, it seems). So the other men are just as much victims as the ladies (yes indeed implied consent from all other six parties). But the men are crucified and ladies both victimized and celebrated #metoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Iken Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Box and Won said: Please put tilkowsky on ignore. Not worth your time. Ok Ok Ok Edited February 4, 2018 by Quality Is Job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 11 hours ago, DeSmetBilliken said: Weathers learned about Title IX procedures from the outside group that conducted the investigation. Therefore, the Weathers probably didn’t go rogue with her decision. The players were doomed from the beginning. I think the person feeding this information also thinks this business relationship looks funny. Is there a way to find out how much the outside firm was paid? They drug this thing out way longer then it should of amd billed the university all along the way. I am sure it was very profitable for the outside firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, slusam said: I think the person feeding this information also thinks this business relationship looks funny. Is there a way to find out how much the outside firm was paid? They drug this thing out way longer then it should of amd billed the university all along the way. I am sure it was very profitable for the outside firm. Why couldn't the SLU title IX office do the investigation itself? Who recommended they use an outside firm? Who recommended they hire the firm they did hire? Was there any oversight from SLU or did they give the outside firm a blank check to bill any hours they thought they needed. Seems like a cozy relationship between this firm and the Title IX office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Rosenblum needs to immediately file for an injunction to stay any penalties if the decision is bad. Then file the necessary litigation which should be in federal court as this whole process is totally unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, Tilkowsky said: They also aren't high profile members of the University. The guys are. The basketball players should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the student body. As long as Tilkowsky's incorrect views are posted here, I will respond when I choose. The basketball players should be held to the same standard, not a higher standard, as any other student at SLU. Males should be held to the same standard, not a higher standard, as any other gender at SLU. The administrators that affect suspensions and expulsions should be held to a higher standard of judgement and discretion, than dumb teenage students. We expect more out of experienced and supposedly professionally trained persons to be fair to dumb students and not use them as political tools to right perceived injustices conducted by males or student athletes. Get off your high horse Tilkowsky. Spoon-Balls, JettFlight5 and William Iken like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Amen Brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billfan7 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, HoosierBilliken said: As long as Tilkowsky's incorrect views are posted here, I will respond when I choose. The basketball players should be held to the same standard, not a higher standard, as any other student at SLU. Males should be held to the same standard, not a higher standard, as any other gender at SLU. The administrators that affect suspensions and expulsions should be held to a higher standard of judgement and discretion, than dumb teenage students. We expect more out of experienced and supposedly professionally trained persons to be fair to dumb students and not use them as political tools to right perceived injustices conducted by males or student athletes. Get off your high horse Tilkowsky. But your just falling for his trap when you respond. He does not believe this stuff and only posts it for the reactions of outraged posters. He gets his jollies and feels power over you when you react to his BS posts. He is in his mom's basement snickering at you right now because you fell for it. He probably sits in front of his computer all day waiting for notifications that someone reacted to his post. It is a sickness. I am not calling you out -- just trying to explain why we should not respond to him. If his views are not responded to they do not become truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenbooster Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Box and Won said: Please put tilkowsky on ignore. Not worth your time. This Edited February 4, 2018 by Quality Is Job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73Billiken Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 48 minutes ago, Billboy1 said: Rosenblum needs to immediately file for an injunction to stay any penalties if the decision is bad. Then file the necessary litigation which should be in federal court as this whole process is totally unconstitutional. To the lawyers out there: Are the women/girls involved in this cluster at risk for any defamation of character suits, etc or is the legal liability limited to the actions of the university? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billfan7 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, 73Billiken said: To the lawyers out there: Are the women/girls involved in this cluster at risk for any defamation of character suits, etc or is the legal liability limited to the actions of the university? Tough to say because most of the facts are not known and what we think we know is 3rd and 4th hand information. Practically speaking, the big question would be: Do the accusers personally have any money (parent's homeowner's insurance???)? Otherwise, it would tough to get an attorney to take it and likely not be worth the time and money even if the facts make them liable. SLU is the best target for any civil suit because they have the deepest pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 11:20 AM, 73Billiken said: To the lawyers out there: Are the women/girls involved in this cluster at risk for any defamation of character suits, etc or is the legal liability limited to the actions of the university? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Does anyone else have the feeling that this is now being drug out as both parties try to figure out a resolution that allows JG to continue playing, both this year and in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, 73Billiken said: To the lawyers out there: Are the women/girls involved in this cluster at risk for any defamation of character suits, etc or is the legal liability limited to the actions of the university? I think getting anything out of the accusers would be difficult, as to my knowledge, they haven’t publicly revealed names. I know that sounds ridiculous since anyone paying attention knows who the players are, but that’s the truth. Someone suggested going after the parents’ homeowners insurance policy as a source of money. I think that could be a long shot too. In general, unless there’s specific language to the contrary, insurance is intended to cover negligence. Defamation, slander, and libel are intentional torts, and their insurance company is likely to deny coverage. Again, it would depend on the insurance policy language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 hours ago, William Iken said: That's exactly the issue (it seems). But again, only one player took and posted the video (again, it seems). So the other men are just as much victims as the ladies (yes indeed implied consent from all other six parties). But the men are crucified and ladies both victimized and celebrated #metoo! Are you leaping to the assumption that only one person took pictures and posted ? I have not heard that stated as fact. Have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 2 hours ago, bauman said: Does anyone else have the feeling that this is now being drug out as both parties try to figure out a resolution that allows JG to continue playing, both this year and in the future? I suppose, and hope that is the case. On the bright side, if there is no decision by tomorrow AM, then the whole team should travel to Olean, and since they have they do not have WIFI or cell service in Olean JG could play Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUGuy123 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Can someone tell me how we all know that it is Jordan Goodwin who was involved in this? Like has someone seen proof of this? Why is it singled out to Jordan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, SLUGuy123 said: Can someone tell me how we all know that it is Jordan Goodwin who was involved in this? Like has someone seen proof of this? Why is it singled out to Jordan? Early post on twitter or Mizzou board when situation broke accurately named the 3 sitting out...the fourth person named in that post was JGOOD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseOfTheBillikens Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, SLUGuy123 said: Can someone tell me how we all know that it is Jordan Goodwin who was involved in this? Like has someone seen proof of this? Why is it singled out to Jordan? The initial message shared on social media by the srat star had Jordan Goodwin name attached to it. There is more details in this thread and don't feel like explaining again. Edit: Venice beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 To add, Pestello retweeted something about Goodwins triple double and then deleted it the day the suspensions came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, SLUGuy123 said: Can someone tell me how we all know that it is Jordan Goodwin who was involved in this? Like has someone seen proof of this? Why is it singled out to Jordan? I don’t believe anyone has identified him publicly though. I heard Martin Kilcoyne and Charlie Marlow discussing the situation and how odd it has been to cover since no names have truly been made public and so little of the situation as well, so it puts them in an odd place of hearing a lot of things, but not being able to report much. It’s like 4 players are under investigation, these three players aren’t playing, let the audience connect those obvious dots for the three, but I don’t think anyone wants to touch the 4th even though they would certainly know. I wasn’t there, but I think the team made an appearance at Busch Stadium for a Billiken Night theme and the team was absent 4 players, with the 3 matching up with the Tweet and subsequently with the guys not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, slufan13 said: To add, Pestello retweeted something about Goodwins triple double and then deleted it the day the suspensions came out. The severity of the punishments must have caught him by surprise too. He surely would have read the outside report by then. Come on Fred, you're the boss. Take control and make this situation right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu06 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 6 hours ago, cheeseman said: I am beginning to think that the consensual sex is not the issue here. From the girl's attorney statement it sounds like the issue is the non consensual (alleged) picture/video taking as well as the release no matter how inadvertent. This may be good news in the sense that if only one or two took the pictures and only one released it by mistake then the other two may not have a huge problem. Given that AD and Graves have left and Bishop and JG are still on campus I can not help to wonder if they know what the decision from thye appeal will basically be. Agreed. Presume the parties are all over 18, so no charge of producing child pornography... However, as a result of "revenge porn" many states now have strict laws about posting nude photos or videos online without the other party's/parties' consent. My gut reaction is that this has been one of the main issues all along (not sure if MO has such laws in place also noting that SLU is a private institution and can create its own / stricter rules). Also, I think some people have mentioned that this was all consensual and implied you cannot "take back" consent, which from my understanding is just wrong (e.g. you begin consensual sex, one party clearly says stop, the other deoesn't, etc.). This logic would also apply to "consent" given to filming. It's a good sign that no criminal charges were filed, but a prosecutor choosing not to file criminal charges where proof must be "beyond a reasonable doubt" is much different than a private institutions evaluation of breaking school conduct (which I know from personal experience throwing a party in the village, is very strict). With that said, I still don't understand why it has taken so long to flesh this all out and make a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJumpUp Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 39 minutes ago, slu06 said: Agreed. Presume the parties are all over 18, so no charge of producing child pornography... However, as a result of "revenge porn" many states now have strict laws about posting nude photos or videos online without the other party's/parties' consent. My gut reaction is that this has been one of the main issues all along (not sure if MO has such laws in place also noting that SLU is a private institution and can create its own / stricter rules). Also, I think some people have mentioned that this was all consensual and implied you cannot "take back" consent, which from my understanding is just wrong (e.g. you begin consensual sex, one party clearly says stop, the other deoesn't, etc.). This logic would also apply to "consent" given to filming. It's a good sign that no criminal charges were filed, but a prosecutor choosing not to file criminal charges where proof must be "beyond a reasonable doubt" is much different than a private institutions evaluation of breaking school conduct (which I know from personal experience throwing a party in the village, is very strict). With that said, I still don't understand why it has taken so long to flesh this all out and make a decision. It's over 16 in Missouri, not 18, so that's no issue. There is absolutely nothing criminal here, it all comes down to violations of school rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnnyJumpUp said: It's over 16 in Missouri, not 18, so that's no issue. There is absolutely nothing criminal here, it all comes down to violations of school rules. If I was Pestello, I would have the four players compose a heart felt apology letter to the orgy survivors, put money in the envelope, and call it a day, then secure a promise that there will be no further orgies the rest of the time at school. This isn't that difficult to solve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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