The Jimerson GATTPOW & TOPO

[3star_recruit]

Jimerson's biggest moments late in games have been in the last handful of games.  I think his big scoring outputs and actually performing well down the stretch will be enough to put on on the A10 first team this year.  Not enough by itself to get his jersey retired but most likely a prerequisite.

[billikenbill]

9 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

my favorite illustration of this is Pete Maravich at LSU.   averaged 44 points per game without a 3 point line.   incredible.  

The Pistol took 55% of all the official team FG attempts at LSU. He also lived at the foul line so the unofficial number of FG attempts is closer to 60%. Their offense consisted of Pete dribbling off any of the four screens set by his teammates. I recall a SEC player saying that playing defense against LSU was chasing after Pete and running into 4 refrigerators setting screens for him.

[thetorch]

1 hour ago, dlarry said:

 

You want more I can’t do it off the top of my head but I can’t do that for Claggett, Lisch, Evans, Conklin Douglas or Bonner either.

 

He's the all time leading scorer for the Bills if people believe he achieved this by strictly dominating crappy competition….i don’t know what to tell them besides they are wrong. 

Jimerson has scored 20 points in a road victory in A10 play over the course of 6 seasons....3 times.  Twice against Rhode Island and once against Fordham.

Jimerson has put up huge counting numbers for SLU.  He was the best player on a team 1 year, we finished 13-20 that season.  He's never been a "clutch" player.  He's not taking the last shot on any of his teams that he played on by design.  

He is a great Billiken.  You can say that without implying that he was a clutch player in big big games.  He wasn't and thats OK.  If you take the special events in his career, let's say he played from 06-10, he plays 4 years, never gets two redshirts and a covid year.  He ends up scoring about 1400 points.  Not too shabby in Billikens history.  Let's not rewrite history here though.  Jimerson is not Claggett, Lisch, Bonner etc.  Doesn't mean he isn't good though.

[dlarry]

1 hour ago, thetorch said:

Jimerson has scored 20 points in a road victory in A10 play over the course of 6 seasons....3 times.  Twice against Rhode Island and once against Fordham.

Jimerson has put up huge counting numbers for SLU.  He was the best player on a team 1 year, we finished 13-20 that season.  He's never been a "clutch" player.  He's not taking the last shot on any of his teams that he played on by design.  

He is a great Billiken.  You can say that without implying that he was a clutch player in big big games.  He wasn't and thats OK.  If you take the special events in his career, let's say he played from 06-10, he plays 4 years, never gets two redshirts and a covid year.  He ends up scoring about 1400 points.  Not too shabby in Billikens history.  Let's not rewrite history here though.  Jimerson is not Claggett, Lisch, Bonner etc.  Doesn't mean he isn't good though.

Not many guys would get the last shot when you play with 2 future NBA players and a healthy Perkins. 
I wouldnt put him in the top tier with Bonner, Clagget, Hughes but I have no problem putting him in tier 2 with the Lisch Liddell and anyone from the Majerus years. 

[3star_recruit]

Is Player of the Year a three-man race between Max Shulga, Avila and Jimerson?  George Mason was so balanced offensively I question whether they have anybody who is a player of the year candidate.

[HoosierPal]

3 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said:

Is Player of the Year a four-man race between Max Shulga, Avila, Jimerson and Bailey Reed?  George Mason was so balanced offensively I question whether they have anybody who is a player of the year candidate.

I'd put X Brown on first team.  Maybe not POY, but definitely top 5.  

Another player who impressed me in our game was Rafael Castro.  The man was a beast with 21 points, 9 boards and 2 blocks. 

[HoosierPal]

Top 10 Career Iron Man

Rank	Player	MP	From	To	Last School
1	Jacob Gilyard	5747	2018	2022	Richmond
2	Caleb Love	5526	2021	2025	Arizona
3	RJ Davis	5506	2021	2025	North Carolina
4	Braden Norris	5484	2019	2024	Loyola (IL)
5	Max Abmas	5472	2020	2024	Texas
6	Marcus Carr	5433	2018	2023	Texas
7	Kyle Lofton	5426	2019	2023	Florida
8	Antoine Davis	5376	2019	2023	Detroit Mercy
9	Gibson Jimerson	5352	2020	2025	Saint Louis
10	Kihei Clark	5338	2019	2023	Virginia

[thetorch]

1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said:

Is Player of the Year a three-man race between Max Shulga, Avila and Jimerson?  George Mason was so balanced offensively I question whether they have anybody who is a player of the year candidate.

If true, how do we have two of the top 3 players and finish 5th?  No way we deserve 2 1st teamers.  We don't deserve a 1 and 2nd teamer either.

[billiken_roy]

9 hours ago, dlarry said:

Not many guys would get the last shot when you play with 2 future NBA players and a healthy Perkins. 
I wouldnt put him in the top tier with Bonner, Clagget, Hughes but I have no problem putting him in tier 2 with the Lisch Liddell and anyone from the Majerus years. 

i have no problem comparing jimerson with claggett.   i think they were very similar players only jimerson developed other aspects of his game in his later years at slu.   driving to the basket, cutting and moving without the ball, rebounding.  claggett may have been a better shooter, but jimerson was no slouch shooting either.  i'd put them in the same tier.   

in the last 40 years, that first tier is only bonner and hughes imo. 

[dlarry]

23 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

i have no problem comparing jimerson with claggett.   i think they were very similar players only jimerson developed other aspects of his game in his later years at slu.   driving to the basket, cutting and moving without the ball, rebounding.  claggett may have been a better shooter, but jimerson was no slouch shooting either.  i'd put them in the same tier.   

in the last 40 years, that first tier is only bonner and hughes imo. 

I'm OK with that. I think I hold the Claggett's and Highmarks a little higher than most because of the time they were playing. I was 10-14 during the  Spoon Years and at that age those guys were larger than life. I'm sure some of that has carried over to how I feel now.

[Taj79]

For what it's worth, Tim McCormack had his first team all A10 as Shulga, Flemming, Haynes, Thomas and Dawson with his MVP as Shulga.  Others have talked about Reynolds, Bamisile, Bailey, Santos, Brown, and Diggins in various posts.  Very few have mentioned Jimerson and even fewer Avila.  

[3star_recruit]

2 hours ago, Taj79 said:

For what it's worth, Tim McCormack had his first team all A10 as Shulga, Flemming, Haynes, Thomas and Dawson with his MVP as Shulga.  Others have talked about Reynolds, Bamisile, Bailey, Santos, Brown, and Diggins in various posts.  Very few have mentioned Jimerson and even fewer Avila.  

Thanks for the info.  The thinking appears to be, for the most part, to recognize the best players from the best teams, which I have no problem with.  Sebastian Thomas is the best point guard in the league and since point guard is the most important position I follow the logic there.  

If that is the case, then Jimerson and Avila are second teamers.

[thetorch]

16 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

i have no problem comparing jimerson with claggett.   i think they were very similar players only jimerson developed other aspects of his game in his later years at slu.   driving to the basket, cutting and moving without the ball, rebounding.  claggett may have been a better shooter, but jimerson was no slouch shooting either.  i'd put them in the same tier.   

in the last 40 years, that first tier is only bonner and hughes imo. 

You have severely underrated Erwin Claggett.

Claggett was first team all conference 3 years

93 All GMC - Claggett, Ron Curry, Penny Hardaway, Nick Van Exel, Tom Kleinschmidt

94 All GMC - Claggett, Tom Kleinschmidt, Anthony Miller, Jim Mcilvaine, Robert Shannon, David Vaughn

95 All GMC - Claggett, Lazelle Durden, Tom Kleinschmidt, Danny Fortson, Lorenzen Wright

Claggett made an all conference team with two first round draft picks as a sophomore.  I think he's on a different tier than Jimerson.  

The Great Midwest was much better than the A10 has been for the last decade.  Way more talent.  Claggett dominated that league.  26 year old Claggett in the current A10?!?!?! He'd put up 30 a game. 

[SLU_Nick]

15 minutes ago, thetorch said:

You have severely underrated Erwin Claggett.

Claggett was first team all conference 3 years

93 All GMC - Claggett, Ron Curry, Penny Hardaway, Nick Van Exel, Tom Kleinschmidt

94 All GMC - Claggett, Tom Kleinschmidt, Anthony Miller, Jim Mcilvaine, Robert Shannon, David Vaughn

95 All GMC - Claggett, Lazelle Durden, Tom Kleinschmidt, Danny Fortson, Lorenzen Wright

Claggett made an all conference team with two first round draft picks as a sophomore.  I think he's on a different tier than Jimerson.  

The Great Midwest was much better than the A10 has been for the last decade.  Way more talent.  Claggett dominated that league.  26 year old Claggett in the current A10?!?!?! He'd put up 30 a game. 

He was before my time but 3 time first team all conference is absurd.  
 

I’m taking him over Jimerson sight unseen 

[billiken_roy]

6 hours ago, thetorch said:

You have severely underrated Erwin Claggett.

Claggett was first team all conference 3 years

93 All GMC - Claggett, Ron Curry, Penny Hardaway, Nick Van Exel, Tom Kleinschmidt

94 All GMC - Claggett, Tom Kleinschmidt, Anthony Miller, Jim Mcilvaine, Robert Shannon, David Vaughn

95 All GMC - Claggett, Lazelle Durden, Tom Kleinschmidt, Danny Fortson, Lorenzen Wright

Claggett made an all conference team with two first round draft picks as a sophomore.  I think he's on a different tier than Jimerson.  

The Great Midwest was much better than the A10 has been for the last decade.  Way more talent.  Claggett dominated that league.  26 year old Claggett in the current A10?!?!?! He'd put up 30 a game. 

clagget was a lazy defender and on offense he stayed outside the lane and waited for H Waldman to find him.   yes he was a great shooter, but that's about where it ended per my memory.  because jimerson developed into an ok all around player compared to claggett was a great shooter, jimerson was a great shooter as well and both jimerson and claggett is a level below bonner and hughes.  imo to put either of them with bonner and hughes is an insult to the two greatest billikens in the last 50 years. 

why do we care what all conference teams each were or were not on?  that just says that jimerson didnt have an H Waldman and Scott Highmark on his team his entire career.  plus probably an indication of the east coast bias the billikens have endured their entire stay in the A10.

both jimerson and claggett should be in the second tier.  great players, but not in the class as hughes and bonner.

[3star_recruit]

35 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

clagget was a lazy defender and on offense he stayed outside the lane and waited for H Waldman to find him.   yes he was a great shooter, but that's about where it ended per my memory.  because jimerson developed into an ok all around player compared to claggett was a great shooter, jimerson was a great shooter as well and both jimerson and claggett is a level below bonner and hughes.  imo to put either of them with bonner and hughes is an insult to the two greatest billikens in the last 50 years. 

why do we care what all conference teams each were or were not on?  that just says that jimerson didnt have an H Waldman and Scott Highmark on his team his entire career.  plus probably an indication of the east coast bias the billikens have endured their entire stay in the A10.

both jimerson and claggett should be in the second tier.  great players, but not in the class as hughes and bonner.

Otherworldly scorers trump great shooters who are okay all around players, IMO. Claggett was a great scorer -- he could create space to get his own shot.  He was first team all-conference even before Waldman got to SLU, as a sophomore to boot. 

We've been MBMs long enough to know that I'm not going to dissuade you on this point.  This is more for the benefit of posters who never saw Claggett play. 

If we're putting billiken Hall of famers on tiers then Bonner and Hughes are on tier one, Claggett and Justin love are on tier 2, and  Yuri and Jimerson are on tier 3.

[billiken_roy]

i like you added justin love to the discussion.   he won that 2000 conference usa tourney almost single handedly.   he was an awesome player and i so wish we would have gotten to see him and hughes together.   hughes did the right thing for himself and his family coming out after his freshman season, but boy what might have been for slu had he stayed around.   him and justin together would have been quite the show and who knows what that might have led to.   

[SLU_Lax]

2 hours ago, 3star_recruit said:

Otherworldly scorers trump great shooters who are okay all around players, IMO. Claggett was a great scorer -- he could create space to get his own shot.  He was first team all-conference even before Waldman got to SLU, as a sophomore to boot. 

We've been MBMs long enough to know that I'm not going to dissuade you on this point.  This is more for the benefit of posters who never saw Claggett play. 

If we're putting billiken Hall of famers on tiers then Bonner and Hughes are on tier one, Claggett and Justin love are on tier 2, and  Yuri and Jimerson are on tier 3.

Where does Jordair fit?

[HoosierPal]

My two cents:  If you look at the three primary stats, points, rebounds, and assists, Jordan Goodwin had the best and most impressive career at SLU.   1460 points (12th all time), 998 rebounds (4th) and 404 assists (6th).  Let's throw in steals, where Goodwin is #1 on the SLU Career list with 225.  And he did this in four years.  If you want to retire a number of jersey, here is where I look first.

 

[3star_recruit]

33 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

My two cents:  If you look at the three primary stats, points, rebounds, and assists, Jordan Goodwin had the best and most impressive career at SLU.   1460 points (12th all time), 998 rebounds (4th) and 404 assists (6th).  Let's throw in steals, where Goodwin is #1 on the SLU Career list with 225.  And he did this in four years.  If you want to retire a number of jersey, here is where I look first.

 

I've got no problem putting Goodwin at tier 2.  If he had put up the same numbers in the Great Midwest or Conference USA there's an argument for him being in tier 1.  Jordair did his thing in a better version of the A10 so I would put him at tier 2 also.

[kmbilliken]

9 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

i like you added justin love to the discussion.   he won that 2000 conference usa tourney almost single handedly.   he was an awesome player and i so wish we would have gotten to see him and hughes together.   hughes did the right thing for himself and his family coming out after his freshman season, but boy what might have been for slu had he stayed around.   him and justin together would have been quite the show and who knows what that might have led to.   

David Burns needs to come in behind Bonner & Hughes, but ahead of the rest.

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

We need an update! 6 is a pretty significant number lol.

[The Wiz]

The Final GATTPOW & TOPO

19th in all time 3PM is pretty sweet including passing Curry at 21.  And unless Lville makes it to the championship game  he should be able to stay ahead of Smith in the 28th spot.

19	Gibson Jimerson	422	2020	2025	Saint Louis
20	Akeem Richmond	416	2010	2014	East Carolina
21	Stephen Curry	414	2007	2009	Davidson
22	Curtis Staples	413	1995	1998	Virginia
23	Jack Leasure	411	2005	2008	Coastal Carolina
24	Keith Veney	409	1993	1997	Marshall
25	Andrew Rowsey	404	2014	2018	Marquette
26	Joseph Girard	402	2020	2024	Clemson
27	Doug Day	401	1990	1993	Radford
28	Gerry McNamara	400	2003	2006	Syracuse
	Reyne Smith	400	2022	2025	Louisville

 

 

Finishing at 112 on the all time points list...Nice...If Lville can knock off Creighton and hold Kalkbrenner  to 16 he should be able to hold on to 112. Great job GJ

110	Steve Alford	2438	1984	1987	Indiana
111	Dallas Moore	2437	2014	2017	North Florida
112	Gibson Jimerson	2428	2020	2025	Saint Louis
	Charles Jones	2428	1994	1998	Long Island University
114	Kevin Foster	2423	2009	2013	Santa Clara
115	Gay Elmore	2422	1983	1987	Virginia Military Institute
116	Carlos Yates	2420	1982	1985	George Mason
117	Ryan Kalkbrenner	2411	2021	2025	Creighton
118	Keith Lee	2408	1982	1985	Memphis
119	Charles Williams	2404	2017	2020	Howard
120	Malik Sealy	2401	1989	1992	St. John's (NY)
121	Phil Sellers	2399	1973	1976	Rutgers
122	Todd Day	2395	1989	1992	Arkansas
	Jayden Gardner	2395	2019	2023	Virginia
124	Lindsey Hunter	2393	1989	1993	Jackson State
125	Kyle Singler	2392	2008	2011	Duke
126	Dell Curry	2389	1983	1986	Virginia Tech

[philliken]

7 hours ago, The Wiz said:

The Final GATTPOW & TOPO

19th in all time 3PM is pretty sweet including passing Curry at 21.  And unless Lville makes it to the championship game  he should be able to stay ahead of Smith in the 28th spot.

19	Gibson Jimerson	422	2020	2025	Saint Louis
20	Akeem Richmond	416	2010	2014	East Carolina
21	Stephen Curry	414	2007	2009	Davidson
22	Curtis Staples	413	1995	1998	Virginia
23	Jack Leasure	411	2005	2008	Coastal Carolina
24	Keith Veney	409	1993	1997	Marshall
25	Andrew Rowsey	404	2014	2018	Marquette
26	Joseph Girard	402	2020	2024	Clemson
27	Doug Day	401	1990	1993	Radford
28	Gerry McNamara	400	2003	2006	Syracuse
	Reyne Smith	400	2022	2025	Louisville

 

 

Finishing at 112 on the all time points list...Nice...If Lville can knock off Creighton and hold Kalkbrenner  to 16 he should be able to hold on to 112. Great job GJ

110	Steve Alford	2438	1984	1987	Indiana
111	Dallas Moore	2437	2014	2017	North Florida
112	Gibson Jimerson	2428	2020	2025	Saint Louis
	Charles Jones	2428	1994	1998	Long Island University
114	Kevin Foster	2423	2009	2013	Santa Clara
115	Gay Elmore	2422	1983	1987	Virginia Military Institute
116	Carlos Yates	2420	1982	1985	George Mason
117	Ryan Kalkbrenner	2411	2021	2025	Creighton
118	Keith Lee	2408	1982	1985	Memphis
119	Charles Williams	2404	2017	2020	Howard
120	Malik Sealy	2401	1989	1992	St. John's (NY)
121	Phil Sellers	2399	1973	1976	Rutgers
122	Todd Day	2395	1989	1992	Arkansas
	Jayden Gardner	2395	2019	2023	Virginia
124	Lindsey Hunter	2393	1989	1993	Jackson State
125	Kyle Singler	2392	2008	2011	Duke
126	Dell Curry	2389	1983	1986	Virginia Tech

Not to mention he's 6th all-time in minutes played!
 

Rank	Player	MP	From	To	Last School
1	Jacob Gilyard	5747	2018	2022	Richmond
2	RJ Davis	5640	2021	2025	North Carolina
3	Caleb Love	5632	2021	2025	Arizona
4	Braden Norris	5484	2019	2024	Loyola (IL)
5	Max Abmas	5472	2020	2024	Texas
6	Gibson Jimerson	5464	2020	2025	Saint Louis
7	Marcus Carr	5433	2018	2023	Texas
8	Kyle Lofton	5426	2019	2023	Florida
9	Antoine Davis	5376	2019	2023	Detroit Mercy
10	Kihei Clark	5338	2019	2023	Virginia