The Jimerson GATTPOW & TOPO

[almaman]

14 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

it has always been my understanding that to get your uniform number in the rafters, you had to be named an all american and you had to have graduated from Saint Louis University.   

second part, check

[3star_recruit]

I don't think it's realistic to expect a mid-major player to be an All-American.  But I do think it's reasonable to expect a Billiken who gets his jersey retired to be first-team all-conference.  Jimerson is very close to doing it this year.  Depends on how the remaining games go.

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

2 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said:

I don't think it's realistic to expect a mid- major player to be an All-American.  But I do think it's reasonable to expect a Billiken who gets his jersey retired to be first-team all-conference.  Jimerson is very close to doing it this year.  Depends on how the remaining games go.

Right, at the very least, he should be in the rafters as the best scorer in program history.

[White Pelican]

2 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

it has always been my understanding that to get your uniform number in the rafters, you had to be named an all american and you had to have graduated from Saint Louis University.   

I had read/heard this before, years ago, and forgotten about it. 

I must say, for a school that doesn't or at least hasn't done all they can to make the athletics department and the teams successful, and from what I read, a BOT that doesn't even know they have sports teams, this mandate seems like an absurd slap in the face to the best athletes to play here.

Who made this rule and why is it still "enforced"?

[cheeseman]

8 hours ago, White Pelican said:

I had read/heard this before, years ago, and forgotten about it. 

I must say, for a school that doesn't or at least hasn't done all they can to make the athletics department and the teams successful, and from what I read, a BOT that doesn't even know they have sports teams, this mandate seems like an absurd slap in the face to the best athletes to play here.

Who made this rule and why is it still "enforced"?

Well Ford got his nephew put up from the rafters. He neither graduated from here or was named to an all American list. 

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

38 minutes ago, cheeseman said:

Well Ford got his nephew put up from the rafters. He neither graduated from here or was named to an all American list. 

Yeah, looking back, I'm not sure why he got something in the rafters. His death was way too young and tragic af, but he was an assistant coach for a couple of years and not much else.

[White Pelican]

To clarify, #50 Ed Mccauley is the ONLY retired number. No one will ever wear it al SLU again.

The others honored are retired JERSEYS which have obviously been reissued. Gibson is wearing one such number now, #24. And yeah, the distinction is kind of weird to me. Apparently those guys are celebrated as great players but not great enough to have their numbers retired.

I can't find any mention of the All America thing anywhere. That doesn't mean it's not a SLU AD rule, but I can't find a cite for it.

My point is, with the SLU records Jimerson holds and the work he's put in, I think he deserves a retired NUMBER, never to be worn again. I feel the same about Bonner and some others. Just my opinion, SLU can and will do as they please.

And please stop with the Ford criticism, (his late nephew's banner in this case). This one in particular is a petty cheap shot. Travis is gone. Let it go. 

Majerus never got us to the Final Four and was the coach of the 20 point game, but he's up there too. Gonna complain about that?

 

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

1 hour ago, White Pelican said:

And please stop with the Ford criticism, (his late nephew's banner in this case). This one in particular is a petty cheap shot. Travis is gone. Let it go. 

No one's using that as a cheap shot, we're debating the merits of inclusion for retired/raftered numbers and just think it's odd the Ford's nephew got one up there.

[The Wiz]

GJ moves up 3 more spots and is only three 3PM from Stephen Curry

20	Stephen Curry	414	2007	2009	Davidson
21	Curtis Staples	413	1995	1998	Virginia
22	Gibson Jimerson	411	2020	2025	Saint Louis
	Jack Leasure	411	2005	2008	Coastal Carolina
24	Keith Veney	409	1993	1997	Marshall

 

Another nice jump of 18 spots on Total Points...passing a number of notable players including recent grad Marcus Carr.

139	Gibson Jimerson	2356	2020	2025	Saint Louis
140	Nate Wolters	2352	2010	2013	South Dakota State
141	Travis Bader	2351	2011	2014	Oakland
142	Marcus Carr	2350	2018	2023	Texas
	Bo Kimble	2350	1986	1990	Loyola Marymount
	Antonio Reeves	2350	2020	2024	Kentucky
	Isaiah Stevens	2350	2020	2024	Colorado State
146	Craig Smith	2349	2003	2006	Boston College
147	Armando Bacot	2348	2020	2024	North Carolina
	Alec Peters	2348	2014	2017	Valparaiso
149	Dana Barros	2342	1986	1989	Boston College
	Shawn Long	2342	2013	2016	Louisiana
151	J.J. Anderson	2341	1979	1982	Bradley
	Anthony Roberts	2341	1974	1977	Oral Roberts
153	Randy Culpepper	2338	2008	2011	UTEP
154	Dave Jamerson	2336	1986	1990	Ohio
	Todd Lichti	2336	1986	1989	Stanford
156	Lawrence Moten	2334	1992	1995	Syracuse
	Robert Parish	2334	1973	1976	Centenary (LA)

[SluSignGuy]

Nigget in Stu's article today

 

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Spending six years with the same program is rare and gave Jimerson the opportunity to cross paths with an uncountable number of people, in basketball and in the business community. He plans to live in St. Louis after college.

No pro ball for Gibby?

But later states:

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Jimerson has acknowledged interest in playing professionally but he has shied away from the topic thus far, wanting to focus on his remaining time with the Billikens.

 

[dlarry]

1 hour ago, SluSignGuy said:

Nigget in Stu's article today

 

No pro ball for Gibby?

But later states:

 

Im guessing he knows the NBA isn’t in his future but knows he could play overseas. 
maybe willing to play in an Australian or Spanish type country but not willing to play in Siberia or Iraq type thing?

[thetorch]

Jimerson made more here this season than he probably can make in any 1 season overseas.  He's also 26, his pro career earning time is pretty short.  He also may be able to make as much in a regular job as he would starting off in Europe, certainly in Australia.

[thetorch]

Most Career 30 point games as a Billiken

1. Lew Mckinney 6

2. Larry Hughes 5

    Anthony Bonner 5

    Gibson Jimerson 5

Most 30 point games in a season as a Billiken

1.  Larry Hughes 5

2. Anthony Bonner 4

    Joe Wiley 4

3. Harry Rogers 3

    Jimmy Irving 3

    Lew Mckinney 3 (Twice)

    Gibson Jimerson 3

There are a number of players who should get consideration for having a number retired or their name in the rafters before Jimerson.  Ray Steiner, David Burns, Jordair Jett, Erwin Claggett, Larry Hughes, Harry Rogers, Jordan Goodwin, Yuri Collins, Dwayne Evans all have resumes that should warrant inclusion over Jimerson.

[dlarry]

Now that his Regular season career over I think we can confidently say Jimerson is an all time Billiken great. 
I think he stands right up there with the Lisch’s and Liddell, the Claggetts and Highmarks, and the Majerus bunch. 
And for the record….YES he does have big moments and big games against top competition! 

[NextYearBill]

14 minutes ago, dlarry said:

Now that his Regular season career over I think we can confidently say Jimerson is an all time Billiken great. 
I think he stands right up there with the Lisch’s and Liddell, the Claggetts and Highmarks, and the Majerus bunch. 
And for the record….YES he does have big moments and big games against top competition! 

One more year!!

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

1 minute ago, NextYearBill said:

One more year!!

????? Isn't he out of eligibility? This is the 2nd time I've heard this since yesterday. 

[MusicCityBilliken]

22 minutes ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said:

????? Isn't he out of eligibility? This is the 2nd time I've heard this since yesterday. 

It was meant as a joke. It's over.

[MusicCityBilliken]

7 hours ago, thetorch said:

Most Career 30 point games as a Billiken

1. Lew Mckinney 6

2. Larry Hughes 5

    Anthony Bonner 5

    Gibson Jimerson 5

Most 30 point games in a season as a Billiken

1.  Larry Hughes 5

2. Anthony Bonner 4

    Joe Wiley 4

3. Harry Rogers 3

    Jimmy Irving 3

    Lew Mckinney 3 (Twice)

    Gibson Jimerson 3

There are a number of players who should get consideration for having a number retired or their name in the rafters before Jimerson.  Ray Steiner, David Burns, Jordair Jett, Erwin Claggett, Larry Hughes, Harry Rogers, Jordan Goodwin, Yuri Collins, Dwayne Evans all have resumes that should warrant inclusion over Jimerson.

A lot these players (Wiley, Irving, Rogers, McKinney) did it before the 3 pt line.

[billiken_roy]

10 minutes ago, MusicCityBilliken said:

A lot these players (Wiley, Irving, Rogers, McKinney) did it before the 3 pt line.

my favorite illustration of this is Pete Maravich at LSU.   averaged 44 points per game without a 3 point line.   incredible.  

[The Wiz]

20	Gibson Jimerson	415	2020	2025	Saint Louis
21	Stephen Curry	414	2007	2009	Davidson
22	Curtis Staples	413	1995	1998	Virginia

In addition to making top 20 all time 3PM, he passes Mr. 3P shooter, Stephen Curry.

 

Another big jump in the standings ...again passing some notable names.

124	Gibson Jimerson	2391	2020	2025	Saint Louis
125	Dell Curry	2389	1983	1986	Virginia Tech
	Kellan Grady	2389	2018	2022	Kentucky
127	Johnny Newman	2383	1983	1986	Richmond
	Henry Williams	2383	1989	1992	Charlotte
129	Ricky Minard	2381	2001	2004	Morehead State
130	Byron Houston	2379	1989	1992	Oklahoma State
131	Ron Harper	2377	1983	1986	Miami (OH)
132	Chasson Randle	2375	2012	2015	Stanford
133	Jim McCoy	2374	1989	1992	Massachusetts
134	Jamal Mashburn	2371	2021	2025	Temple
135	John Williams	2370	1983	1986	Indiana State
136	Bryant Reeves	2367	1992	1995	Oklahoma State
137	Sam Sessoms	2362	2019	2023	Coppin State
138	C.J. McCollum	2361	2010	2013	Lehigh
139	George Dalton	2357	1952	1955	John Carroll
140	Ryan Kalkbrenner	2352	2021	2025	Creighton

[dlarry]

1 hour ago, billiken_roy said:

my favorite illustration of this is Pete Maravich at LSU.   averaged 44 points per game without a 3 point line.   incredible.  

I saw on Twitter some calculated how many points he would have averaged if he had a 3 line. I forget the exact total but it was in the 50,s. I’ll try and find it. But you are correct. Incredible!! 
 

 

https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/lsu/2024/03/03/pete-maravich-pistol-caitlin-clark-college-stats-scoring-record-lsu-ncaa-basketball/72795301007/#

Not what I saw originally but this says he would have averaged 57. 

[CenHudDude]

3 hours ago, dlarry said:

I saw on Twitter some calculated how many points he would have averaged if he had a 3 line. I forget the exact total but it was in the 50,s. I’ll try and find it. But you are correct. Incredible!! 
 

 

https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/lsu/2024/03/03/pete-maravich-pistol-caitlin-clark-college-stats-scoring-record-lsu-ncaa-basketball/72795301007/#

Not what I saw originally but this says he would have averaged 57. 

57 points a game is a pretty good average for a basketball player at any level.  lol. Unbelievable.

[thetorch]

6 hours ago, dlarry said:

Now that his Regular season career over I think we can confidently say Jimerson is an all time Billiken great. 
I think he stands right up there with the Lisch’s and Liddell, the Claggetts and Highmarks, and the Majerus bunch. 
And for the record….YES he does have big moments and big games against top competition! 

Just curious can you name a few?

[dlarry]

1 hour ago, thetorch said:

Just curious can you name a few?

Averaged 25 against Loyal Chicago this year.

Averaged 22 Against Dayton this year 

He had 26 against VCU last time they played. 
 

Those are the top 3 teams in the A10 this year. 

 

[dlarry]

1 hour ago, thetorch said:

Just curious can you name a few?

 

1 minute ago, dlarry said:

Averaged 25 against Loyal Chicago this year.

Averaged 22 Against Dayton this year 

He had 26 against VCU last time they played. 
 

Those are the top 3 teams in the A10 this year. 

 

You want more I can’t do it off the top of my head but I can’t do that for Claggett, Lisch, Evans, Conklin Douglas or Bonner either.

 

He's the all time leading scorer for the Bills if people believe he achieved this by strictly dominating crappy competition….i don’t know what to tell them besides they are wrong.