Soderball Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Why is it ridiculous? Both aspects are true. I understand you enjoyed the selfish showoff passes I'll take the lesser turnovers You hate Collins. We get it. That's fine, you can have your own opinion. To say he is "bigger and faster" than Collins is factually untrue and preposterous. Let's check their stats after Medley is done and compare if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 This team is at best a collection of situational role players. Frankly, there isn’t a starter-level talent player on this team. Jimerson? Off the bench shooter. Hargrove? Off the bench energy guy. Dalger? Off the bench fourth forward. Meadows? Andre Jones Jr. Medley? Freshman learner. Hughes? Thames? Zhang? Talent that shrinks as roles expand. The real issue is who stocked this talent (Ford) and who (Ford) returns to what he knows in the weave, the half court walk up game and no press (Ford). This ass-hat is done. Schasz and JMM28 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmdragons Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Why is it ridiculous? Both aspects are true. I understand you enjoyed the selfish showoff passes I'll take the lesser turnovers We beat Dartmouth at home by one point and this board finds a way to get some Yuri bashing in. I love this place. majerus mojo likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Yuri is gone. Fuok Yuri. He has nothing to do with this team and to bring it up is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, wgstl said: It was bad. Absolutely. But punishment should not be putting in a guy getting torched for the next 30 min When Bruce and van Bussel can't get minutes on a roster this small, it makes me really wonder why they would be here. If they can't play on this lineup they will never be good enough to play. NextYearBill and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Holly Hills Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 What happened to medley and Thames in the last 10 minutes? How does Ford forget to sub players, play fast, and run an offense in every second half of close games? He’s probably disappointed he couldn’t get his trite huff-n-puff technical at the end of the game billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Taj79 said: This team is at best a collection of situational role players. Frankly, there isn’t a starter-level talent player on this team. Jimerson? Off the bench shooter. Hargrove? Off the bench energy guy. Dalger? Off the bench fourth forward. Meadows? Andre Jones Jr. Medley? Freshman learner. Hughes? Thames? Zhang? Talent that shrinks as roles expand. The real issue is who stocked this talent (Ford) and who (Ford) returns to what he knows in the weave, the half court walk up game and no press (Ford). This ass-hat is done. I am not trying to fight with you but what game did you watch? I don’t remember any weaves (almost every team weaves at some point even Duke) .We continually trapped and pressed at the half court line. I do agree with the lack of talent but he is trying to press and he has changed defense’s more this year than ever before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 22 minutes ago, Soderball said: You hate Collins. We get it. That's fine, you can have your own opinion. To say he is "bigger and faster" than Collins is factually untrue and preposterous. Let's check their stats after Medley is done and compare if you want. Yuri: zero tournament appearances. I betcha Cian will be able to match that no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Soderball said: When Bruce and van Bussel can't get minutes on a roster this small, it makes me really wonder why they would be here. If they can't play on this lineup they will never be good enough to play. Because they were projects . All three including abou were projects, hoping that one could develop behind Brad who is the clear starter. Bruce has potential. Hes the only project center we’ve had who I actually care to hold onto. as for now. Bruce does a lot of little things that won’t get picked up. tHJ gets picked on. Teams try and attack the paint and it works . It doesn’t happen as easily with Bruce in. I’m not saying Bruce is amazing, but he makes the team better. Just like Cian pushing tempo and in for MM makes the team better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, wgstl said: Because they were projects . All three including abou were projects, hoping that one could develop behind Brad who is the clear starter. Bruce has potential. Hes the only project center we’ve had who I actually care to hold onto. as for now. Bruce does a lot of little things that won’t get picked up. tHJ gets picked on. Teams try and attack the paint and it works . It doesn’t happen as easily with Bruce in. I’m not saying Bruce is amazing, but he makes the team better. Just like Cian pushing tempo and in for MM makes the team better Why are we loaded with projects? Let someone else develop players and waste roster space. Transfer in guys who are developed. If you've got someone really special they will be at least able to see the floor right away. Rob Loe was raw, but he was able to play and see the floor WHILE developing. This stuff is bad. This is Jim Crews roster with loads of stiffs on the bench all over again. Edit: just as a footnote I agree with you regarding Bruce. I think Ford is making further personnel mistakes by not playing him. Let him show what he can do and von Brussels too. If Ford brought them here they should be able to play and he should stand by his recruiting. As in all things I blame CTF. Things certainly can't get worse, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 28 minutes ago, Soderball said: You hate Collins. We get it. That's fine, you can have your own opinion. To say he is "bigger and faster" than Collins is factually untrue and preposterous. Let's check their stats after Medley is done and compare if you want. Reread. I said he is as big. Not bigger. And he is faster. Makes less turnovers and is no where close to as selfish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Just now, billiken_roy said: Reread. I said he is as big. Not bigger. And he is faster. Makes less turnovers and is no where close to as selfish. You hate Collins we get it. Lol. Comical, Roy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Soderball said: Why are we loaded with projects? Let someone else develop players and waste roster space. Transfer in guys who are developed. If you've got someone really special they will be at least able to see the floor right away. Rob Loe was raw, but he was able to play and see the floor WHILE developing. This stuff is bad. This is Jim Crews roster with loads of stiffs on the bench all over again. Oh I’m not defending bringing in projects. That was dumb, unless you have a ready starter - which we never did . but I really think Bruce could be a 2 year starter here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 30 minutes ago, stmdragons said: We beat Dartmouth at home by one point and this board finds a way to get some Yuri bashing in. I love this place. It was more a defense of medley. SLU_Lax likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Soderball said: Why are we loaded with projects? Let someone else develop players and waste roster space. Transfer in guys who are developed. If you've got someone really special they will be at least able to see the floor right away. Rob Loe was raw, but he was able to play and see the floor WHILE developing. This stuff is bad. This is Jim Crews roster with loads of stiffs on the bench all over again. Edit: just as a footnote I agree with you regarding Bruce. I think Ford is making further personnel mistakes by not playing him. Let him show what he can do and von Brussels too. If Ford brought them here they should be able to play and he should stand by his recruiting. As in all things I blame CTF. Things certainly can't get worse, anyway. Because you can’t recruit when everyone knows you’re on the flaming hot seat/about to get fired. And so Travis assembled a roster of projects and at least has the “it’s a rebuilding year!” excuse when he wins 9 games this year. Bruce could be a really good player. Unfortunately the coach here isn’t very good at developing players. billiken_roy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquinas Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Was on the roas. Didn't see the game. Anyone know why Zang only played 5 min? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Aquinas said: Was on the roas. Didn't see the game. Anyone know why Zang only played 5 min? He was not very good tonight and Ford was trying to win the game. Same old same old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenHudDude Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 10 hours ago, CenHudDude said: If we have an equally “bad” second half we will win by 22 and beat the spread comfortably. This didn’t age well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Taj79 said: This team is at best a collection of situational role players. Frankly, there isn’t a starter-level talent player on this team. Jimerson? Off the bench shooter. Hargrove? Off the bench energy guy. Dalger? Off the bench fourth forward. Meadows? Andre Jones Jr. Medley? Freshman learner. Hughes? Thames? Zhang? Talent that shrinks as roles expand. The real issue is who stocked this talent (Ford) and who (Ford) returns to what he knows in the weave, the half court walk up game and no press (Ford). This ass-hat is done. We did press for a some of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 On the strength of last night’s game, Dartmouth moved up from #315 to #303. What did SLU get for its 1 point win? A move from #153 to #168. To further toss some gasoline on the fire, there are only 3 A10 teams ranked lower than that, Rhodey-#193, Fordham-#196, and LaSalle-#208. Yes, Kenpom rates us the #12 ranked team in the 15 team A10. Time for me to throw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Last night was…..concerning. NextYearBill likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 I think most of us will agree Ford’s greatest asset is his recruiting. He is the best recruiter we have had since Romar and is probably Romar’s equal in that aspect. NIL may have eliminated, and at least substantially diminished that asset.This season he has to coach this lesser talented team up. If he can’t, why keep him? NextYearBill, DeSmetBilliken, billiken_roy and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 45 minutes ago, dlarry said: Last night was…..concerning. At least only 4,500 folks saw it in person and I doubt many casual fans sought it out with the college football games on last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, kmbilliken said: I think most of us will agree Ford’s greatest asset is his recruiting. NIL may have eliminated, and at least substantially diminished that asset. I think that is a concern many folks have and probably emphasizes to the money folks that they now have a part in this. In no way am I excusing Ford and his staff for putting together this roster (fans were told in the spring that it was a successful season and we were well positioned to attack the portal, but then when they failed to deliver it was implied we weren’t), but when the decision is made to move on from Ford, the money folks will need to also ensure that our NIL is competitive to make the program enticing for the next head coach. Glad we avoided disaster last night, but the next 10 days is likely big for determining how much time I spend following this team this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 11 hours ago, Taj79 said: This team is at best a collection of situational role players. Frankly, there isn’t a starter-level talent player on this team. Jimerson? Off the bench shooter. Hargrove? Off the bench energy guy. Dalger? Off the bench fourth forward. Meadows? Andre Jones Jr. Medley? Freshman learner. Hughes? Thames? Zhang? Talent that shrinks as roles expand. The real issue is who stocked this talent (Ford) and who (Ford) returns to what he knows in the weave, the half court walk up game and no press (Ford). This ass-hat is done. Just watched the replay. Everytime I rag on GibJim, he starts doing good stuff. Gonna keep that up. Otherwise, without Parker, there just isn’t enough talent on the roster. Looks like they play hard, but not enough shooters, height, quickness, or one on one skill. Bottom line, expecting a big number in the L column. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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