DOC Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 40 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: so doc, you arent a jimerson fan i take it? because i think the jimerson no defense was an inaccurate assessment. by year end i thought jimmerson was our best guard defender. it sure as hell wasnt our all defensive team point guard that got torched by acey for almost 40 points. No. I’m a big fan and didn’t say anything about GJ playing no defense. I agree he was much improved and better than Yuri and Perkins, but those 2 really hurt our ability to stop players from getting to the basket, making our team defense hard to watch. Hughes was our best perimeter defender. I think he should play less because Ford simply played him too many minutes. Quote
wgstl Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 I think Gibbys defense isn't great, as a whole. He shows flashes of actually being a plus defender, but its not consistent. That said, His defense wasn't the problem this year. Add a defensive PG and guard alongside his offense and everything will be just fine. His Box score was +2.5 so he is outscoring what he's letting up. If he can work on just getting a step quicker, that will go a long way. Quote
cheeseman Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 I can't believe some are criticizing GJ - it might make him change his mind. Remember we must be supportive at all times of anything Billiken. Never ever say anything that could be seen as negative even if it may be true. Quote
Billikenbooster Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, billiken_roy said: so doc, you arent a jimerson fan i take it? because i think the jimerson no defense was an inaccurate assessment. by year end i thought jimmerson was our best guard defender. it sure as hell wasnt our all defensive team point guard that got torched by acey for almost 40 points. Zac, I would have to disagree on that one. Hughes was our best guard defender at the end of the season, IMHO. GJ improved alot, but Hughes was superior. mhg Quote
dennis_w Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, billiken_roy said: so doc, you arent a jimerson fan i take it? because i think the jimerson no defense was an inaccurate assessment. by year end i thought jimmerson was our best guard defender. it sure as hell wasnt our all defensive team point guard that got torched by acey for almost 40 points. i agree roy, he kept proper position, stayed in front of his man, etc. wasnt flashy with the steals, but that is a small part of overall defense, imo he was our best defender Quote
JettFlight5 Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 Pretty simple...Gibson Jimerson makes his team better. DOC, thunderdan, AGB91 and 1 other 4 Quote
Matty Light Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, dennis_w said: i agree roy, he kept proper position, stayed in front of his man, etc. wasnt flashy with the steals, but that is a small part of overall defense, imo he was our best defender Hughes was probably our best freshman defender since Goodwin. BIG BILL FAN 1 Quote
BIG BILL FAN Posted March 31, 2023 Author Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, billiken_roy said: so doc, you arent a jimerson fan i take it? because i think the jimerson no defense was an inaccurate assessment. by year end i thought jimmerson was our best guard defender. it sure as hell wasnt our all defensive team point guard that got torched by acey for almost 40 points. good observation, Roy... Quote
Zink Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Matty Light said: Hughes was probably our best freshman defender since Goodwin. He had a 2.2 defensive box +/- (DBPM), which is quite good... his DRating was less impressive, but that is a bit more of a team stat. For context, Goodwin's freshman year DBPM was 3.2 - Fred's this year was 3.1. Goodwin's worst (Junior) season had him at 2.4... Bizziken 1 Quote
Matty Light Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, Zink said: He had a 2.2 defensive box +/- (DBPM), which is quite good... his DRating was less impressive, but that is a bit more of a team stat. For context, Goodwin's freshman year DBPM was 3.2 - Fred's this year was 3.1. Goodwin's worst (Junior) season had him at 2.4... Interesting. I would be curious to know the rating for Hasahn French that freshman year and whether the rating is different for front court players. Do you happen to know? Quote
wgstl Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Matty Light said: Interesting. I would be curious to know the rating for Hasahn French that freshman year and whether the rating is different for front court players. Do you happen to know? +1.3. Quote
Zink Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Matty Light said: Interesting. I would be curious to know the rating for Hasahn French that freshman year and whether the rating is different for front court players. Do you happen to know? Hasahn was at 2.3 his frosh year. Check stats here: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/hasahn-french-1.html Matty Light 1 Quote
Zink Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, wgstl said: +1.3. This was his combined; -1.0 on offense, +2.3 on defense Quote
HoosierPal Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 57 minutes ago, Zink said: He had a 2.2 defensive box +/- (DBPM), which is quite good... his DRating was less impressive, but that is a bit more of a team stat. For context, Goodwin's freshman year DBPM was 3.2 - Fred's this year was 3.1. Goodwin's worst (Junior) season had him at 2.4... Hughes Jr had a lot of deflections. Are those included in the DBPM? I know the Staff counts deflections, and I'll venture that Hughes Jr lead the team in deflections per 40 minutes. Quote
Soderball Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 Jimerson is the only guy I wanted to return from last year's roster. He's an elite level shooter. There is literally no program in the country that wouldn't benefit from an elite level shooter. Zink, 2010andBeyond, Dr. Holly Hills and 3 others 6 Quote
Soderball Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 6 hours ago, billiken_roy said: so doc, you arent a jimerson fan i take it? because i think the jimerson no defense was an inaccurate assessment. by year end i thought jimmerson was our best guard defender. it sure as hell wasnt our all defensive team point guard that got torched by acey for almost 40 points. Jimerson isn't a great defender. He's not very quick though he does have some height. None of that matters. The problem wasn't Jimerson's defensive lack, it was that noone else could play defense either. Jimerson has a one dimensional game -- and it so happens that his dimension is the single most important skill in basketball. DOC 1 Quote
HoosierPal Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 These stats sum up Jimerson. Pretty much 13% of his shots were 'mid range' jumpers of which he hit 37.5%. The % assisted on all categories tells me he needs to work on getting his own shot. Name FGA TS% eFG% % shots at rim FG% at rim %assisted at rim % shots 2pt J FG% 2pt Jumpers %assisted 2pt J %of shots 3pt 3FG% %assisted 3s FTA/FGA FT% Jimerson, Gibson 359 0.583 56.4% 29.0% 60.6% 77.8% 13.4% 37.5% 61.1% 57.7% 39.1% 92.6% 13.9% 82.0% Quote
VeniceMenace Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 9:42 AM, wgstl said: I think Gibbys defense isn't great, as a whole. He shows flashes of actually being a plus defender, but its not consistent. That said, His defense wasn't the problem this year. Add a defensive PG and guard alongside his offense and everything will be just fine. His Box score was +2.5 so he is outscoring what he's letting up. If he can work on just getting a step quicker, that will go a long way. What % of a team’s defensive success comes from a coach’s disciplined approach and X’s and O’s strategy vs. an incoming player being a defender? Quote
slu72 Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 Let Travis design an offense around spacing and Gibby outscores his man every game. Like Highmark said about Spoon, outscore your man. Our offensive schemes suck. It’s about quick passes not dribbling around the perimeter. Billikenbooster, MusicCityBilliken and billiken_roy 3 Quote
cheeseman Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 14 hours ago, slu72 said: Let Travis design an offense around spacing and Gibby outscores his man every game. Like Highmark said about Spoon, outscore your man. Our offensive schemes suck. It’s about quick passes not dribbling around the perimeter. Great idea but why would Ford have not already done this? Quote
BIG BILL FAN Posted April 2, 2023 Author Posted April 2, 2023 1 minute ago, cheeseman said: Great idea but why would Ford have not already done this? Where did our offense rank in the A10 last year????? Quote
cheeseman Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Where did our offense rank in the A10 last year????? My comment was to SLU 72 regarding his post not a discussion of where we ranked last season in the A10. Once again, stay on topic Quote
dennis_w Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Where did our offense rank in the A10 last year????? second .8 of a point out of first, what if the coach knew what he was doing, unstoppable Quote
VeniceMenace Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Where did our offense rank in the A10 last year????? This is like asking, “Who is the skinniest person in overwaters anonymous?” The answer is SLU had the best offense in a one-bid league…..finishing around 63rd nationally on offensive efficiency per KenPom… Quote
dennis_w Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Where did our offense rank in the A10 last year????? bbf all the smart posters know ford cant coach, please stop bringing up this stuff, it was just an accident that he wins any games Quote
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