billiken_roy Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: I know it’s a popular narrative to say the Billikens play a slow paced game but the facts don’t bare it out. SLU is 34th in the nation and first in the A10 in fast break points… https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/1285 for the first half and probably about half the second half they do. then it seems at the 10 - 5 minute left mark it slows down and we start using the clock. apparently the first 3/4 of the game is enough to give us those wonderful stats. but it is pretty obvious that we do not play "40 minutes of hell" and we definitely dont play the corresponding all out defense that the likes of arkansas or unlv played back in their days of national championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, TheA_Bomb said: My not so bold prediction: Ford is going to stay. He'll get some portal players and other recruits. We'll convince ourselves these guys will be good. He'll win 18-19 games next year and be 4th or 5th in A10. He'll be fired. I'm hopeful a Mack, Marshall or Kelsey is available next year. If not I'll just be happy to try something else but reserve the right to complain as a fan. Like it or not, Ford was never in danger of losing his job. Highly unlikely he loses his job next year. Complain on. slufanskip and gabriel like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 48 minutes ago, Dr. Holly Hills said: Did someone say Hargrove and Thames are coming back? Nice.. I asked Hargrove after the game on Friday night if he'd be back one more year. He indicated yes and seemed pretty set on it. juniorbill76, brianstl, billiken_roy and 3 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Just now, SShoe said: I asked Hargrove after the game on Friday night if he'd be back one more year. He indicated yes and seemed pretty set on it. great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I'd just be interested in May/Pestello/Chaifetz etc to re-state their expectations and goals for the program. I assume the goal is still a top 50 program since we haven't heard otherwise but we haven't been that since 2014. May's comments about always being competitive are what's concerning to me TheChosenOne and Adman like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Coach and his team for sale. What is the MBM bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Coach and his team for sale, all for the low price of $???: All Mo kids, Hampton went to UCITY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Coach and his team for sale. What is the MBM bid? This is the kind of shite that is now legal and makes me want to invest my time and money in anything other than college basketball..... BIG BILL FAN likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Coach and his team for sale. What is the MBM bid? The merging of buying a coach, NIL and the transfer portal has finally been achieved. All who are interested better have cash to burn… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, DOC said: Like it or not, Ford was never in danger of losing his job. Highly unlikely he loses his job next year. Complain on. And I look forward to the new excuses next year. I'll help out: Rebuilding because we had so many starters no one wanted to come here and develop riding the pine in games. Refs NET/system is biased X player got hurt X player isn't playing up to expectations and the coach doesn't make shots. X player wasn't as good as we thought Complaining MBMs hurt recruiting It's not the coach or team it's you, you expected too much This team is so much better than when i was in school (nevermind we played/practiced in West Pine Gym and went up against basketball powerhouses) That should be enough to get ya'll started. Feel free to add or make variations as you see fit. I think my favorite, maybe not excuse but just outright self delusion, is the Tournament isn't what it used to be with the implication that it mattered less if you weren't involved. That wasn't a common 1 but it was peak delusion. Bizziken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said: The merging of buying a coach, NIL and the transfer portal has finally been achieved. All who are interested better have cash to burn… So do we ‘low ball’? $1 million per year for the package? Complementary degrees for the players? Free beer at Humphrey’s for all players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgeldmacher Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, BIG BILL FAN said: I know it’s a popular narrative to say the Billikens play a slow paced game but the facts don’t bare it out. SLU is 34th in the nation and first in the A10 in fast break points… https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/1285 It is the trope of the uninformed MBM. We are 2nd in the A-10 in scoring and 34th in fast break points, but if we are not sprinting up the court on every possession like Michael Jackson during a Pepsi commercial, our offense is failing. majerus mojo likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Sharp and Black would have to sit a year. And yes, I know you can appeal, but who knows how those are going to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 47 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said: And I look forward to the new excuses next year. I'll help out: Rebuilding because we had so many starters no one wanted to come here and develop riding the pine in games. Refs NET/system is biased X player got hurt X player isn't playing up to expectations and the coach doesn't make shots. X player wasn't as good as we thought Complaining MBMs hurt recruiting It's not the coach or team it's you, you expected too much This team is so much better than when i was in school (nevermind we played/practiced in West Pine Gym and went up against basketball powerhouses) That should be enough to get ya'll started. Feel free to add or make variations as you see fit. I think my favorite, maybe not excuse but just outright self delusion, is the Tournament isn't what it used to be with the implication that it mattered less if you weren't involved. That wasn't a common 1 but it was peak delusion. Didn't mean to trigger you into this long-winded complaint about you not knowing what you're talking about. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, DOC said: Sharp and Black would have to sit a year. And yes, I know you can appeal, but who knows how those are going to go. A players best chance to be given a waiver is if the coach leaves. Technically I think this falls under that even though it seems wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, DOC said: Didn't mean to trigger you into this long-winded complaint about you not knowing what you're talking about. Carry on. What is it specifically that I don't know? Lay your knowledge on me DOC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 59 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: So do we ‘low ball’? $1 million per year for the package? Complementary degrees for the players? Free beer at Humphrey’s for all players? If you want them, show them the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, DOC said: Sharp and Black would have to sit a year. And yes, I know you can appeal, but who knows how those are going to go. Sharp doesn't have any eligibility left unless he gets some special kind of waiver from the NCAA. He was hurt last season at MO St., but he played after the midway point of the season. That means he cant get a medical waiver. Hampton is from St. Louis. He played at U City and then went to Link Prep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC1764 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, DOC said: Didn't mean to trigger you into this long-winded complaint about you not knowing what you're talking about. Carry on. I dunno. He’s on point. SLU is the undisputed national champion of excuse making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said: If you want them, show them the money They aren't worth that much. There is a nice story with Black, Sharp and Haney all following their assistant coach from MO State when he took the head job at Northwestern St. and becoming the top three scorers playing in about two hours for a NCAA bid, but Sharp is the only guy who would have got minutes at SLU this season and that would have been as Yuri's back up. He would have fixed our back up PG problem this season, but he isn't really the answer at this level as your starting point guard. He would have been an outstanding guy getting 15-20 mpg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, TheA_Bomb said: And I look forward to the new excuses next year. I'll help out: Rebuilding because we had so many starters no one wanted to come here and develop riding the pine in games. Refs NET/system is biased X player got hurt X player isn't playing up to expectations and the coach doesn't make shots. X player wasn't as good as we thought Complaining MBMs hurt recruiting It's not the coach or team it's you, you expected too much This team is so much better than when i was in school (nevermind we played/practiced in West Pine Gym and went up against basketball powerhouses) That should be enough to get ya'll started. Feel free to add or make variations as you see fit. I think my favorite, maybe not excuse but just outright self delusion, is the Tournament isn't what it used to be with the implication that it mattered less if you weren't involved. That wasn't a common 1 but it was peak delusion. Since you have identified yourself as one who knows the future can you go ahead and tell us the complete roster and our won/lost record next year? Also, wondering if some on this board actually enjoy basketball? Never seen such depth of misery in something that is an optional activity. BIG BILL FAN and almaman like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, brianstl said: They aren't worth that much. There is a nice story with Black, Sharp and Haney all following their assistant coach from MO State when he took the head job at Northwestern St. and becoming the top three scorers playing in about two hours for a NCAA bid, but Sharp is the only guy who would have got minutes at SLU this season and that would have been as Yuri's back up. He would have fixed our back up PG problem this season, but he isn't really the answer at this level as your starting point guard. He would have been an outstanding guy getting 15-20 mpg. Agreed, didn’t say I’d want them. I think whoever is thinking about getting them better have a money back guarantee from them. Good luck to them with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord Elrond said: Agreed, didn’t say I’d want them. I think whoever is thinking about getting them better have a money back guarantee from them. Good luck to them with that. I think Gipson probably has a pretty good future ahead of him as a coach. He took over a team that was 330th last season in Pomeroy and has them on the verge of the NCAA tournament not even 365 days later. They beat TCU at TCU this season. That is impressive. Plus the sales job he had to do on those kids to get them to follow him from Springfield to Natchitoches is something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, DOC said: Like it or not, Ford was never in danger of losing his job. Highly unlikely he loses his job next year. Complain on. Can Tillett coach both teams? That would be great, miraculous turnaround this season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, brianstl said: I think Gipson probably has a pretty good future ahead of him as a coach. He took over a team that was 330th last season in Pomeroy and has them on the verge of the NCAA tournament not even 365 days later. They beat TCU at TCU this season. That is impressive. Plus the sales job he had to do on those kids to get them to follow him from Springfield to Natchitoches is something. Took a team most have never even heard of and are ahead of Umass, Lasalle, and Loyola. Could even surpass Gdub. Heck of a job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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