NH Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, wgstl said: Hargrove is also an elite athlete who shot the 3 very well this year. Along with GJ, and perkins thats a lot of talent to just assume a guy who never played for 9 win team to just jump in and take their minutes. Also yes he was a top 60 player, doesnt mean he'll play like it. Im not saying I dont want him, in case anyone gets that confused. I just dont think he'll want to go to a program with several players at that spot. I get where you’re coming from for sure. I watched a lot of Fletcher in high school and also most or all of his early season games at UK and definitely think he would get minutes for us right away. Keep in mind he even started for them at one point early in the season before that relationship with Coach Cal started fraying. He, Perkins, Hargrove and Strickland all can play and guard multiple positions. It would definitely be a bit of a logjam with those guys, but you have to roll the dice to make it work if you can. Zink likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zink Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, NH said: I get where you’re coming from for sure. I watched a lot of Fletcher in high school and also most or all of his early season games at UK and definitely think he would get minutes for us right away. Keep in mind he even started for them at one point early in the season before that relationship with Coach Cal started fraying. He, Perkins, Hargrove and Strickland all can play and guard multiple positions. It would definitely be a bit of a logjam with those guys, but you have to roll the dice to make it work if you can. And while we only have to replace two players, they were responsible for ~60 minutes per game. I highly doubt all those minutes go to two guys next year, much more likely to get distributed across the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, NH said: . It would definitely be a bit of a logjam with those guys, but you have to roll the dice to make it work if you can. Which is why im not sure he takes another risk since the first one didnt work out. Likely, he would want to take a conservative approach and go somewhere that doesnt have much at that position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 We have not reached the level as a program where we're turning down 6'6 215 lb matchup nightmares if they want to come here. Especially not one with 4 years of eligibility. slufanskip, Littlebill, NoCoBillsFan and 6 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, 3star_recruit said: We have not reached the level as a program where we're turning down 6'6 215 lb matchup nightmares if they want to come here. Especially not one with 4 years of eligibility. Collins Jimerson/Thatch Perkins Fletcher Okoro would be a very good starting lineup and compete for the A-10 title. meerkat, Zink and BilliesBy40 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, 3star_recruit said: We have not reached the level as a program where we're turning down 6'6 215 lb matchup nightmares if they want to come here. Especially not one with 4 years of eligibility. You are 100 percent right. We are literally wondering if we make the NCAA with two top Billikens of all time, so I think a high level recruit is always welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Evaluation of Fletcher ...... https://tim1coleman.wixsite.com/website/post/kentucky-incoming-freshman-series-cam-ron-fletcher Kind of sounds like a Goodwin type player with his weakness being his 3 pt shot. Does most everything else well according to this guy, crashes the boards too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, wgstl said: Are you saying this because he was a former 70th ranked recruit? Because we dont have any college tape to go off of. It’s not just that. When he did play for Kentucky, he did well. A lot of Kentucky fans were advocating for him to get more time, but it seems like there was a huge rift between him and Calipari. I don’t think his lack of playing time at Kentucky represents who he is as a player. Remember Javon Bess, our star for two season? Look at his stats at Michigan State his freshman year. Very similar to Cam’ron’s It also boils down to the fact that recruits of his caliber start for us. Goodwin was a four year starter. Gordon was heavily in the rotation and a starter just before he transferred. Okoro is being lined up as the starting center next year. Obviously he would have to earn the time in practice and a starting role isn’t guaranteed, but to say that he wouldn’t get any PT here and he’d be sitting for a year is outlandish. billiken_roy and Zink like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: We have not reached the level as a program where we're turning down 6'6 215 lb matchup nightmares if they want to come here. Especially not one with 4 years of eligibility. Exactly. I get that we have quality wing players but Cam’ron is the kind of player you make room for. We’re not exactly in the position to be turning down former 4-stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, NoCoBillsFan said: It’s not just that. When he did play for Kentucky, he did well. A lot of Kentucky fans were advocating for him to get more time, but it seems like there was a huge rift between him and Calipari. I don’t think his lack of playing time at Kentucky represents who he is as a player. Remember Javon Bess, our star for two season? Look at his stats at Michigan State his freshman year. Very similar to Cam’ron’s It also boils down to the fact that recruits of his caliber start for us. Goodwin was a four year starter. Gordon was heavily in the rotation and a starter just before he transferred. Okoro is being lined up as the starting center next year. Obviously he would have to earn the time in practice and a starting role isn’t guaranteed, but to say that he wouldn’t get any PT here and he’d be sitting for a year is outlandish. The only thing with the bess/fletcher comparison is that Izzo begged bess to stay. Cal chased him out on his worst team ever. To me, that says something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, NoCoBillsFan said: Exactly. I get that we have quality wing players but Cam’ron is the kind of player you make room for. We’re not exactly in the position to be turning down former 4-stars Also I don’t think I’ve heard a single person say we shouldnt go after him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, wgstl said: Also I don’t think I’ve heard a single person say we shouldnt go after him Yeah but to say he’d be riding the bench for us is pretty far fetched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, wgstl said: The only thing with the bess/fletcher comparison is that Izzo begged bess to stay. Cal chased him out on his worst team ever. To me, that says something Considering that Fletcher did well when he actually played, I think that speaks more to his and Cal’s relationship rather than his playing ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, Westy03 said: Collins Jimerson/Thatch Perkins Fletcher Okoro would be a very good starting lineup and compete for the A-10 title. ...and guess what, they would still find a way to underachieve thanks to our esteemed gameday coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 things: 1. Cam’Ron was over-ranked coming out of high school. His development trajectory was closer to a top 150-175 player than top 75. 2. Citing his lack of playing time for Kentucky is largely meaningless, but I agree he won’t be a star on day 1 wherever he ends up. BTW, Kentucky finished right behind us on KenPom, so their win total is a bit deceiving. 3. Cam’Ron would be a great addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinert310 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, Brighton said: ...and guess what, they would still find a way to underachieve thanks to our esteemed gameday coach. Literally every single post you make on here is negative. If Billikens basketball doesn’t make you happy, maybe you should find a new hobby. Just sayin. billiken_roy, drkelsey55, billikenbill and 2 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquinas Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 I have not seen Fletcher play. The description of him as a rebounder sounds alot like Goodwin. He has been described as a hard nosed player and rebounder that would seem to fit the Team Blue identity. Fletcher is taller than Goodwin and shot high school free throws at 75%. He was not an accomplished 3 point shooter. Has not been a great ball handler. Is a great athlete. I dont know what led to his suspension at Kentucky, so that causes some concern. In Ford I trust. billiken_roy and drkelsey55 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slufan10 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Phil Russell put on his story, "watch this" above the fletcher transfer report. meerkat, Fan Guy, Reinert310 and 5 others like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Aquinas said: I have not seen Fletcher play. The description of him as a rebounder sounds alot like Goodwin. He has been described as a hard nosed player and rebounder that would seem to fit the Team Blue identity. Fletcher is taller than Goodwin and shot high school free throws at 75%. He was not an accomplished 3 point shooter. Has not been a great ball handler. Is a great athlete. I dont know what led to his suspension at Kentucky, so that causes some concern. In Ford I trust. His suspension was due to immaturity and selfishness, not all that uncommon at his age. I wouldn’t worry much about it being an issue long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, WVBilliken said: Evaluation of Fletcher ...... https://tim1coleman.wixsite.com/website/post/kentucky-incoming-freshman-series-cam-ron-fletcher Kind of sounds like a Goodwin type player with his weakness being his 3 pt shot. Does most everything else well according to this guy, crashes the boards too. Except, unlike Goodwin, he's a head case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinert310 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, David King said: Except, unlike Goodwin, he's a head case. I don’t equate passion and competitiveness to being a head case. RUBillsFan and NoCoBillsFan like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, David King said: Except, unlike Goodwin, he's a head case. Goodwin got suspended his freshman year, too... To be clear, I’m not saying Goodwin is a head case, I’m saying that getting suspended as a young 18 year old doesn’t make you one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, David King said: Except, unlike Goodwin, he's a head case. Fletcher had maturity issue as a freshman in the middle of a pandemic that kept him away from family and while the program he was at had their season fall apart. I don’t think it is fair to label him a head case because of that. In fact, I am shocked we didn’t see more of it this season. NH likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 I think it is safe to say Coach Ford will determine if he is a head case that he doesnt want on the roster or not. Is there any indication on fletcher's part that he wants to be a billiken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, dennis_w said: I think it is safe to say Coach Ford will determine if he is a head case that he doesnt want on the roster or not. Is there any indication on fletcher's part that he wants to be a billiken? my reflection of coach ford's headcase alert sensor is "He pursued and signed gordon didnt he?" gordon was indeed a physical specimen that screamed potential. but he has been a headcase as far as i saw all the way back to his days at vianney. didnt get any better at webster. imo a college coach is just arrogant enough they always think they are the one coach that can get through to the kid. that all said, fletcher indeed is loaded with potential and maybe this is the time my head case sensor is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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