hmart23 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: Understood, my initial question was not clear. Here's a picture of Fred Thatch with his head nearly at the rim in game. Fred stands at 6'3 (75 Inches) the rim is at 120 inches. I know there's a couple inch difference. But if he can get his head to the rim. His vertical is 45". slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, hmart23 said: Here's a picture of Fred Thatch with his head nearly at the rim in game. Fred stands at 6'3 (75 Inches) the rim is at 120 inches. I know there's a couple inch difference. But if he can get his head to the rim. His vertical is 45". I'm pretty sure this pic was snapped on his way back down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmart23 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, slufanskip said: I'm pretty sure this pic was snapped on his way back down Didn't want to overcomplicate it. slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazedandconfused Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, hmart23 said: Here's a picture of Fred Thatch with his head nearly at the rim in game. Fred stands at 6'3 (75 Inches) the rim is at 120 inches. I know there's a couple inch difference. But if he can get his head to the rim. His vertical is 45". Fred Thatch does not have a vertical of 45". This would be the best in the NBA combine since 2001 https://www.topendsports.com/sport/basketball/testing-draft-results.htm He can jump, for sure. But he's not a once in a life-time leaper. Also, if you think Fred's head is at the rim in the above picture, I've got a dog the size of a bridge I'd be willing to sell you. Bizziken and Ironbills like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmart23 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Just now, glazedandconfused said: Fred Thatch does not have a vertical of 45". This would be the best in the NBA combine since 2001 https://www.topendsports.com/sport/basketball/testing-draft-results.htm He can jump, for sure. But he's not an otherworldly leaper. Also, if you think Fred's head is at the rim in this picture, I've got a dog the size of a bridge I'd be willing to sell you. Sounds great. meet me in the spot you took the picture and I'll bring you the money. I understand optics and perspective. I said it was close to the rim. His vertical is in the 40" range. I don't know why this is such a big debate? I understand the coaches exaggerating his vertical. But do you think they'd do it by a literal foot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusam Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, hmart23 said: Sounds great. meet me in the spot you took the picture and I'll bring you the money. I understand optics and perspective. I said it was close to the rim. His vertical is in the 40" range. I don't know why this is such a big debate? I understand the coaches exaggerating his vertical. But do you think they'd do it by a literal foot? I dont get the debate either. Anyone that has seen him play knows he has a high vertical leap. If it is 40" or 45 " who cares. It's a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Assuming Jimerson resumes his starting role, Thatch+Jacobs+Perkins+Big TBD = Best bench in Billiken history. SLURadioBoy and slufanskip like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Actually Jimerson never started a game. Jacobs has been the starter all year. So I have to change my assertion: Thatch+Jimerson+Perkins+Big TBD = Easily the best bench in Billiken history. Billiken Rich likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 hours ago, wgstl said: Someone pointed this out to me, and ever since, its been pretty obvious. We all talk about the double teams on French, but look how aggressive the double teaming is. For most players, double teaming cant be toooo aggressive, as it normally favors the offensive player, but not for french. They swarm him aggressively because there's really not a bad case scenario. Either, they'll cause a turnover, or foul. Depending on the foul situation, those are both win - wins for the defense. Recently, French has been kicking the ball out. See La Salle game for proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Actually Jimerson never started a game. Jacobs has been the starter all year. So I have to change my assertion: Thatch+Jimerson+Perkins+Big TBD = Easily the best bench in Billiken history. Let's not quit on Hargrove just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, slu72 said: Let's not quit on Hargrove just yet. Not quitting. Just saying that those four players alone is easily the best bench in Billiken history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCoBillsFan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, slusam said: I dont get the debate either. Anyone that has seen him play knows he has a high vertical leap. If it is 40" or 45 " who cares. It's a lot. Seen him play up close in personal when he was in high school. I'd doubt it's 45", but it's close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 45” possibly with a few steps but not his vertical. That said I’m pretty sure he can grab a quarter off the top of the backboard and leave two dimes and a nickel. Billiken Rich and Quality Is Job 1 like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Guys you are putting the cart ahead of the horse. First let's see if he can play enough to make him a valid player, then let's deal with his vertical. You are talking about past achievement when you say he jumped 45", let's just give him time and see what he can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I could care less what his vertical is. What I do care about is his ppg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, HoosierPal said: I could care less what his vertical is. What I do care about is his ppg. with Jimerson coming back and Perkins emerging as an elite scorer, I care about his all league defense more than anything! slufanskip likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 If his vertical is really 40"+, he's terribly ineffective with it. I'd expect a lot of rebounds, big blocks and dunks from a guy with that kind of bounce. Fred hasn't done that for us. Show me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 hours ago, jimbofive said: If his vertical is really 40"+, he's terribly ineffective with it. I'd expect a lot of rebounds, big blocks and dunks from a guy with that kind of bounce. Fred hasn't done that for us. Show me. Fred had more blocks than Goodwin last year (12/11) while only playing half the minutes....rebounds were tough to come by on this team last year, when you had French, Goodwin, Foreman, and Bess on the court...the potential is definitely there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, BIG BILL FAN said: Fred had more blocks than Goodwin last year (12/11) while only playing half the minutes....rebounds were tough to come by on this team last year, when you had French, Goodwin, Foreman, and Bess on the court...the potential is definitely there... Foreman wasn't a big rebounding contributor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorB Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just FWIW: I have it on good authority that Fred's vertical has been measured over 40 inches. That puts him some pretty elite company, athletic-wise. I do not know a precise number in terms of HOW much over 40", but over 40" means we are talking unusual. In NBA history, depending on which site you look at, there have been at least 10 players over 44": usual suspects like Jordan, Lebron, Dr. J., Mugsy Bogues, David Thompson, Darrell Griffith, Spud Webb, and maybe most surprisingly Wilt the Stilt (imagine a 7'1" dude with up to 48' leap?!?! WTF?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, DoctorB said: Just FWIW: I have it on good authority that Fred's vertical has been measured over 40 inches. That puts him some pretty elite company, athletic-wise. I do not know a precise number in terms of HOW much over 40", but over 40" means we are talking unusual. In NBA history, depending on which site you look at, there have been at least 10 players over 44": usual suspects like Jordan, Lebron, Dr. J., Mugsy Bogues, David Thompson, Darrell Griffith, Spud Webb, and maybe most surprisingly Wilt the Stilt (imagine a 7'1" dude with up to 48' leap?!?! WTF?). To me David Thompson was the most spectacular leaper out of the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: Foreman wasn't a big rebounding contributor. he averaged 4.3 per game, not bad for playing 20 minutes.... dennis_w likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, BIG BILL FAN said: he averaged 4.3 per game, not bad for playing 20 minutes.... especially given he played at the top of the 1-3-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBL_Bills Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 22 hours ago, Crewsorlose said: whether Bell and Collins can put int the work to make a leap; Maybe I'm drunk on Koolaid, but I don't have a doubt in my mind that next year both will be vying for spots on 2nd team All-A10, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, GBL_Bills said: Maybe I'm drunk on Koolaid, but I don't have a doubt in my mind that next year both will be vying for spots on 2nd team All-A10, at least. Along with Goodwin and French, that would be four all-conference players on the same team. Are you drunk on Kool-Aid? Definitely. But it's still a good time to be a Billiken fan. GBL_Bills, wgstl and slufanskip like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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