billikenbill Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I think Travis should use a platoon system with two groups of 6 players each. One sub for each group of five ready to go in case of injury, foul trouble, etc. Have each group play roughly five minute segments until the mid point of the second half then go with the starting group and a sub rotation the final ten mins. I think the talent is so even across both groups that you have 10-12 players getting meaningful minutes throughout the year while minimizing the number of players disappointed about playing time. I saw a similar situation work for the ABA Carolina Cougars in the '72-'73 season when they went 57-27 and got better as the year progressed. They started an offensive guard platoon of Steve "Snapper" Jones and Mack Calvin, then the second quarter, the defensive specialists, Ted "Hound Dog" McClain and Gene Littles played. Jones and Calvin would start the third quarter, then about the mid-point of that quarter, Larry Brown would decide which tandem was the most effective, go with that for a while, then the fourth quarter use a regular sub rotation. Those four guards just wore other backcourts down. With all the talent Ford is accumulating, seems a shame that 4-5 of these guys will mostly sit. You can avoid foul trouble, lower injury risks and keep players happy. C'mon Travis, give it a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 what recent top team succeeded by playing 12 players nearly even minutes? most teams find their top 7 or 8 use them the lion's share of minutes and might insert a couple of guys for token time each game. that top 7 or 8 is won in practice. i will bet at least 2-3 of our guys will average 30+ minutes per game this season. HenryB likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: what recent top team succeeded by playing 12 players nearly even minutes? most teams find their top 7 or 8 use them the lion's share of minutes and might insert a couple of guys for token time each game. that top 7 or 8 is won in practice. i will bet at least 2-3 of our guys will average 30+ minutes per game this season. Grinnell College is the only example I can think of. We certainly have no need for something like that. We have the twin luxuries of talent and depth this season. We have a lot of possible combinations to throw at opponents. A platoon system would be pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, SLURadioBoy said: Wow, I’ve never seen the “next five”. That is ridiculous. Minus the 3 recent tournament teams, that lineup would probably beat any starting lineup this program has had the last 20 years. *deep breath deep breath* ah screw it, this team is loaded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I shouldn't have an erection reading this thread, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: I shouldn't have an erection reading this thread, right? I'd be concerned if you didn't have one. TheChosenOne, ChangeOfPace and Spoon-Balls like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: I shouldn't have an erection reading this thread, right? If it last more than 4 seasons call Chris May & Dr C rgbilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 People are crazy if they think CAG won’t start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 This team is the deepest we've had in my lifetime, there is no real doubt about that. And depth is nice but it's not the end-all be-all for how good a team is. Id' rather have 8 excellent players than 12 really good players any day. Tell me how good the top 8 are going to be on this team and then I'll tell you how many games clear of the 2nd place A-10 team we'll be! I also tend to believe that the depth will work itself out as a player or two may get hurt, suspended, whatever. HoosierPal and TheChosenOne like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, kshoe said: I also tend to believe that the depth will work itself out as a player or two may get hurt, suspended, whatever. Too soon, @kshoe SShoe likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I find myself bouncing off of the walls reading thru this thread (I seldom wish for the summer and fall to speed up, but I find myself doing just that), who is game for some sort of billikens.com tailgate before the home opener? Probably wouldn't require much planning, but I would be willing to help plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: I find myself bouncing off of the walls reading thru this thread (I seldom wish for the summer and fall to speed up, but I find myself doing just that), who is game for some sort of billikens.com tailgate before the home opener? Probably wouldn't require much planning, but I would be willing to help plan. I don’t need an excuse to get bombed but this would be a good one. I’m in Billikid likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, billikenfan05 said: I don’t need an excuse to get bombed but this would be a good one. I’m in How do you know you're invited? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, slufan13 said: How do you know you're invited? Sh!t..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, slufan13 said: How do you know you're invited? Because 05 would have his own party without the rest of you billikenfan05 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Kentucky used a platoon system during the year Towns, WCS, and the Harrison twins were there, 2014-15. We are not Kentucky...................................YET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 hours ago, ACE said: A reminder about the newcomers. https://www.a10talk.com/saint-louis-basketball-newcomer-primer/ There are 8 and that is a lot, so chemistry, roles, etc. will be a challenge. Also, even with the late additions, I'm still concerned about the shooting. But our depth, athleticism, rebounding, toughness should be tough to handle. Not sure I've ever been more excited about the start of a season. those isabell highlights are the real deal. his passing could be huge this season and I see him fitting in with any lineup. probably our best shooter too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindellWest Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, TheChosenOne said: I find myself bouncing off of the walls reading thru this thread (I seldom wish for the summer and fall to speed up, but I find myself doing just that), who is game for some sort of billikens.com tailgate before the home opener? Probably wouldn't require much planning, but I would be willing to help plan. So this is going to be a thing right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, LindellWest said: So this is going to be a thing right? The athletic department should hold a street party out by the Billiken statue with a band/101 broadcasting live, games, food trucks, the works. LindellWest, Billiken Rich and Slu let the dogs out? like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, LindellWest said: So this is going to be a thing right? I think we have to make this happen. And if there are enough of us, maybe we could make it a somewhat regular thing. It would be great if we were able to create a bit of a pregame scene to build some excitement heading into the games. Once we get closer to the season let’s definitely discuss and get a plan together. LindellWest and HenryB like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, majerus mojo said: those isabell highlights are the real deal. his passing could be huge this season and I see him fitting in with any lineup. probably our best shooter too? Yeah, his court vision looks good. I expect him to be a bit out of control at times, but very creative. To average 3.5 assists when you score more than 20 ppg, is very impressive. I expect CG and HF to be routinely power dunking off of dishes from TI and JG. Isabell really likes that spin move in the lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon-Balls Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 It’s a shame Humphreys is still boarded up. Place would have been popping this upcoming season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, ACE said: Yeah, his court vision looks good. I expect him to be a bit out of control at times, but very creative. To average 3.5 assists when you score more than 20 ppg, is very impressive. I expect CG and HF to be routinely power dunking off of dishes from TI and JG. Isabell really likes that spin move in the lane. Exactly right. This team is going to be hard to guard. I think teams will be forced to just pack it in, hope that we are off from deep, and fight like hell to keep us off of the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spoon-Balls said: It’s a shame Humphreys is still boarded up. Place would have been popping this upcoming season... Another reason it would be great if this tailgate could gain some traction and become a somewhat regular thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, majerus mojo said: Kentucky used a platoon system during the year Towns, WCS, and the Harrison twins were there, 2014-15. We are not Kentucky...................................YET i dont recall them using two sub teams of 6 players each and 12 players getting near equal minutes edit i just checked they had 8 players playing 20-30 minutes per game and 2 more that played over 10 minutes a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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