keyser soze Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Billiken Rich said: They sent out the same tix last year......the students are on break and they know those student tickets aren't going to be used....... These are not student tickets.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Just now, keyser soze said: These are not student tickets.... Really I didn't look at them closely but I thought I saw GA and no section... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Section on my tix says GA6.........Not an expert but I think that's student..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 SLU's administration blows. That's all I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilkowsky Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 7 hours ago, HenryB said: You have proved the point of the double standard. How about telling your daughter that goes out drinking and willingly goes to a dorm room what the outcome will be? Before you reply back why don't you follow the example of the SLU administration and take at least 3 months to think about it. In your case, why don't you take 3 years. Agree 100 percent on the girls. They potentially are to blame as well. When the investigation is over we will find out who is to blame. No double standard here. Disappointing how many SLU fans are more worried about winning basketball games than justice or the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARon Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Billiken Rich said: They sent out the same tix last year......the students are on break and they know those student tickets aren't going to be used....... They’ve sent the same tickets out for at least the past 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 If there were no situation would Graves become eligible to play: — Tuesday vs Campbell? — Friday vs SEMO —or not til Lasalle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, VeniceMenace said: If there were no situation would Graves become eligible to play: — Tuesday vs Campbell? — Friday vs SEMO —or not til Lasalle? Really hate that we’re playing semo during break. Have we forgotten what happened with Missouri state a number of years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Punishment should be meted out after the verdict comes in,not before. If these guys are so dangerous that cannot be on the basketball floor they should be off campus now.otherwise let them play and if found guilty then dish out the punishment. RealTalk likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy03 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 the process is starting to make a lot more sense now. This is not good for the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I think a number of people will end up looking pretty dumb here... (and it wont be some of the people trying to bring some reasoning into this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Nick Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Westy03 said: the process is starting to make a lot more sense now. This is not good for the players I dont know why you think it’s not good for the players. This is not close to the Baylor situation. Baylor was a fiasco. There is a video that shows what happened but law firms are milking SLU for as long as they can “investigating”. It’s almost as if the administration if trying to absolve themselves of responsibility. I wonder if Pestello even knows that at some point he is gonna have to make a decision that might Not please everyone. Also, there are a lot of frustration on here but I’m not really sure what “pressure” slu is feeling. RealTalk likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendelprof Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 23 minutes ago, Westy03 said: the process is starting to make a lot more sense now. This is not good for the players Not sure I would agree with that. First, the university hired what is arguably the best investigator there is for Title IX matters. Anyone who is thinking about suing the university for the way they handled it is going to have a very big hill to climb. And I doubt the threat of litigation is going to have any influence on the university in light of who they hired to handle it (not that I think it would have anyway, but this really puts that to rest). Second, the immediate optics of the this matter were not good for the players (at least as reported on this board). It is going to take a seasoned investigator who has seen it all to not jump to conclusions based on first impressions and to perform a thorough investigation of the complaint before reaching a conclusion. I actually think this will increase the chances that the players will get a full and fair investigation and hearing. I'm not saying anything about the punishment, but the players got about a fair a process as one could hope for. On the spectrum of Title IX matters, the alleged SLU matter is no where near the Baylor situation. The key will be the issue of consent. What did the girls say, when, and to whom. In addition, an experienced investigator like this is less likely to bunch all the players together and automatically treat them all the same. This increases the possibility that maybe there will be nuanced differences in what the players did that may result in different punishments. The university has handled the matter as well as one could hope. They didn't got cheap, they got the best there is. And obviously she's got a lot on her plate right now - hence the delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Pestello sucks. We're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
615Billiken Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, slufan13 said: Pestello sucks. We're screwed. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 minute ago, 615Billiken said: Why? I have personal reasons for my dislike for Pestello where he treated my family extremely poorly. I won't talk about it on the main board but some people already know via private messaging. Because of his handling and views on that particular incident, I have no faith that he will give a fair shake to the players involved in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 hours ago, keyser soze said: These are not student tickets.... They have done this for years. This is nothing new - at Rich said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ken Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 They give the student tickets away so people sit in that section and the place looks crowded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyser soze Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, cheeseman said: They have done this for years. This is nothing new - at Rich said. I’m not discounting that, this is in addition to that. These are not GA tickets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyRican Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 There are 3 certainties in life. 1. Death 2. Taxes 3. Me cringing everytime I see a Wendelkin post. Well, maybe 4. 4th, being a SLU fan is the hardest thing in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBeliever!!! Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I just hope they got a 1 semester suspension no one heard about and they come back for conference play. Come back angry, go 15-3 in A10 play, win the A10 tourney. That would be sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, keyser soze said: I’m not discounting that, this is in addition to that. These are not GA tickets... When they have done this, I have always gotten 4 tix. Nothing is different now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Spoon-Balls and majerus mojo like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Wendelprof said: Not sure I would agree with that. First, the university hired what is arguably the best investigator there is for Title IX matters. Anyone who is thinking about suing the university for the way they handled it is going to have a very big hill to climb. And I doubt the threat of litigation is going to have any influence on the university in light of who they hired to handle it (not that I think it would have anyway, but this really puts that to rest). Second, the immediate optics of the this matter were not good for the players (at least as reported on this board). It is going to take a seasoned investigator who has seen it all to not jump to conclusions based on first impressions and to perform a thorough investigation of the complaint before reaching a conclusion. I actually think this will increase the chances that the players will get a full and fair investigation and hearing. I'm not saying anything about the punishment, but the players got about a fair a process as one could hope for. On the spectrum of Title IX matters, the alleged SLU matter is no where near the Baylor situation. The key will be the issue of consent. What did the girls say, when, and to whom. In addition, an experienced investigator like this is less likely to bunch all the players together and automatically treat them all the same. This increases the possibility that maybe there will be nuanced differences in what the players did that may result in different punishments. The university has handled the matter as well as one could hope. They didn't got cheap, they got the best there is. And obviously she's got a lot on her plate right now - hence the delays. “Schools are cautioned to avoid conflicts of interest and biases in the adjudicatory process and to prevent institutional interests from interfering with the impartiality of the adjudication.” Couldn’t either side in this argue that SLU violated this part of the latest guidance depending on how the facts shake out? The players could argue tha SLU just suspended them from games to protect the school from a PR hit before the ruling. The accusers could argue the school didn’t fully suspend the players to protect the basketball team’s prospects to make the school money. Either way SLU allowed their institutional interest to interfere with the adjudication of this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 9 hours ago, brianstl said: “Schools are cautioned to avoid conflicts of interest and biases in the adjudicatory process and to prevent institutional interests from interfering with the impartiality of the adjudication.” Couldn’t either side in this argue that SLU violated this part of the latest guidance depending on how the facts shake out? The players could argue tha SLU just suspended them from games to protect the school from a PR hit before the ruling. The accusers could argue the school didn’t fully suspend the players to protect the basketball team’s prospects to make the school money. Either way SLU allowed their institutional interest to interfere with the adjudication of this matter. Good points, Brian, but you are forgetting that the accusers are a protected class. You can argue the semantics or the optics of the proceedings and the length of the process, but when it comes to the legality of the situation, SLU, the Title IX people, etc., are going to lean towards the behest of the accusers unless there's evidence which dissolves the accused of any wrong-doing or not enough evidence to merit a punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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