CBFan Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Box and Won said: Another plus: I no longer have to secretly wish that Jalen Crutcher would contract the coronavirus. I have a clean conscience now. Thank you box excellent post. I must leave this thread forever. I will be anxiously waiting for the next recruiting update. Link to post Share on other sites
billiken_roy Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, A10Ref said: What does one do without sports? I am truly at a loss for how I will spend my time/be happy. maine cabin masters, counts customs, family feud, man vs food, treehouse masters, there is plenty of mindless entertainment. A10Ref 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Deutschkind Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I've been reading this thread and trying to figure out what I want to say. It's been difficult to temper my annoyance with the petty bickering (snowflake, Fox News = bad) and seeming lack of sympathy for the overall situation. I'm currently a family medicine resident. I no longer live in St Louis. I don't claim to know all the answers about COVID19, which are changing literally by the hour. My program director is sending out daily emails to keep us informed and they're out of date by noon the next day. That being said, here are some things I want to get off my chest. 1. For everyone comparing this to H1N1, we're far away from knowing what the total numbers of this disease will be. We are very much on the rising side of the infection curve. Maybe lots not compare the epidemic from 10 years ago to the first couple weeks of an epidemic now 2. If you are looking at numbers, know that anything reported is WILDLY lower than the true number of cases. We have tested next to no one yet. The testing system is in shambles. My hospital system had it set up but now the state department of health has stopped us from doing so. If people are giving you mortality rates, they are guessing. You can't have a mortality rate without knowing the denominator. 3. That being said, it does seem to be less fatal than MERS or SARS, and more fatal than seasonal flu. It's early though. 4. For everyone comparing the panic now to the lack of panic around flu season, know that every single medical provider wishes for there to be a SMIDGE of this level of concern for flu. As many people have posted here flu infects millions and kills thousands each year. I try every visit to convince people to get their flu shots, with only some success. So if you actually think flu is worse than COVID-19, you better have gotten your flu shot this year (BTW, there's still time to get it) 5. As others have said, if this seems to go away without 50% of the population getting sick, then all these cancellations and other inconveniences have worked. That doesn't mean everything was overblown. China is recovering because they are a totalitarian government that has the ability to enact draconian measures. That will never happen in the US. But it can be slowed down and prevent the health system from being overrun. Worst case scenario is similar to Italy. If the disease is unchecked, there will not be enough beds or ventilators to care for the COVID patients, not to mention all the other people who get sick. ICUs are usually over 90% full in general. The health system cannot handle an influx of ill patients. Even if most people have a mild case, there could be FAR too many who need ventilators for us to help. If it is slowed down, however, we may be able to care for everyone and save as many as possible. It still might not be enough. /Rant over billikenbill, BuiltFordBills, Pistol and 4 others 7 Link to post Share on other sites
cgeldmacher Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 From a New York Times article released today. Just food for thought. I wonder whether everyone will look back on this and realize that the paranoia was worse than the disease: "By definition, the case fatality rate is the number of deaths divided by the total number of confirmed cases, which appears to be what the WHO did to arrive at its rate. Is 3.4% a misleading number? We spoke to a number of experts in epidemiology, and they all agreed that 1% was probably more realistic (the WHO has also said the number would probably fall). " Link to post Share on other sites
BIG BILL FAN Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said: After they did exactly what we're starting to do. Italy didn't lock down right away and now they're paying the price. Italy didn’t have a President who quickly shut down travel to China... oh, and this same President was called irrational and racist when he did it... Link to post Share on other sites
BillsCPA Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 If I was a Dayton fan I think I’d have PTSD every time I heard “flatten the curve” for the rest of my life. Link to post Share on other sites
dlarry Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, slufan13 said: Duke and Kansas have both suspended all sports indefinitely. You would think the NCAA tournament final canceling is coming soon. Not sure why the NCAA is putting this on the individual schools/conferences Pretty sure Kansas is dropping out to avoid their yearly first weekend upset. They also realize if they actually win the title will be vacated in a year or two anyway. TJHawk 1 Link to post Share on other sites
3star_recruit Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: From a New York Times article released today. Just food for thought. I wonder whether everyone will look back on this and realize that the paranoia was worse than the disease: "By definition, the case fatality rate is the number of deaths divided by the total number of confirmed cases, which appears to be what the WHO did to arrive at its rate. Is 3.4% a misleading number? We spoke to a number of experts in epidemiology, and they all agreed that 1% was probably more realistic (the WHO has also said the number would probably fall). " If 50 million Americans become infected, 1% means 500,000 dead. Link to post Share on other sites
cgeldmacher Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: What's the mortality rate of swine flu? What's the mortality rate of COVID-19? There's your answer. Per the New York Times who were quoting medical experts and WHO, probably less than 1% Link to post Share on other sites
David King Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, BilliesBy40 said: China literally locked people inside buildings to prevent social interactions. Watching Billikens games on TV in NC is what kept me from many social interactions. wgstl and Bay Area Billiken 2 Link to post Share on other sites
BIG BILL FAN Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, BilliesBy40 said: Maybe the difference is we learned from H1N1 and we are trying to prevent 12,000 people from dying? No, some just learned they don’t like the current President... Link to post Share on other sites
RiseAndGrind Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said: No, some just learned they don’t like the current President... That is it. Trump hates Trump so much he suspended travel to Europe. Link to post Share on other sites
moytoy12 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, dlarry said: Pretty sure Kansas is dropping out to avoid their yearly first weekend upset. They also realize if they actually win the title will be vacated in a year or two anyway. Kansas and Duke “voluntarily” suspended their athletic events in exchange for 2 years probation. Just “guessing”. TJHawk and dlarry 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Clock_Tower Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, A10Ref said: What does one do without sports? I am truly at a loss for how I will spend my time/be happy. Same way people act in small towns every day with little to do: sex and alcohol A10Ref and Billiken Rich 2 Link to post Share on other sites
moytoy12 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said: From a New York Times article released today. Just food for thought. I wonder whether everyone will look back on this and realize that the paranoia was worse than the disease: "By definition, the case fatality rate is the number of deaths divided by the total number of confirmed cases, which appears to be what the WHO did to arrive at its rate. Is 3.4% a misleading number? We spoke to a number of experts in epidemiology, and they all agreed that 1% was probably more realistic (the WHO has also said the number would probably fall). " The article linked earlier had a great description on the fatality rate. Essentially, it was based on how prepared a country was and likely varied from 0.5% (most prepared) to 6% (least prepared). Link to post Share on other sites
Crewsorlose Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I read all 19 pages this afternoon. It's been fascinating to chart the whole thing and see the reactions. Sports is a distraction and refuge for all of us. It sucks to see this dream of season possibly ended. I'm thankful for the people who've provided good information. I hope those who are in power make wise decisions to minimize the impact. As somebody who came to St. Louis largely because of Hurricane Katrina, I can say this: airborne diseases and hurricanes have no political agenda. I can say that the decisions of politicians and of media and its influencers will have a tremendous impact on the level of disruption and death that results. I myself work at SLU and was thinking it would be great to take my kids and my wife to see my mom in the coming weeks.... cheap flights, all that. But just in the process of thinking this through, I realized what a risk I'd be taking. Not to my kids or myself, but to my mom, who's nearing 80 and has had bronchial issues. To go from a plane + rental car directly to her house, or even two days later, runs the risk of exposing somebody to a disease that would have a 10% chance of killing her. Those who compare this to the flu aren't totally off, with the exception of the extreme vulnerability of the elderly to this disease. Stay safe, Billiken nation. rgbilliken and billikenbill 2 Link to post Share on other sites
cgeldmacher Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 China has 1,386,000,000 people. 81,000 got coronavirus. That is .0009% of their population. 3,169 died. That's .00002286% of their population. The US has 327,000,000 people. If we get the same percentages as China that means that 294,300 will get it and 7,475 will die. For what it's worth, the Chinese Basketball Association is getting ready to start up games again. So, there may be hope for things going back to normal sooner rather than later. Let's hope all the elderly folks we save can pay their rent and buy groceries after their retirement accounts get cut in half. Link to post Share on other sites
dlarry Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Clock_Tower said: Same way people act in small towns every day with little to do: sex and alcohol If they advise a national self quarantine there is going to be another baby boom. Link to post Share on other sites
moytoy12 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, cgeldmacher said: China has 1,386,000,000 people. 81,000 got coronavirus. That is .0009% of their population. 3,169 died. That's .00002286% of their population. The US has 327,000,000 people. If we get the same percentages as China that means that 294,300 will get it and 7,475 will die. For what it's worth, the Chinese Basketball Association is getting ready to start up games again. So, there may be hope for things going back to normal. Take those infection/fatality numbers with a grain of salt. It’s in China’s economic interest to get to “normalcy” ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites
dlarry Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, slufan13 said: You knew it was coming but it’s still sad. Link to post Share on other sites
laurk Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 All these people comparing it to the flu response. Influenza attacks people largely over a 4+ month period. The really sick people are spread out over that time. It's more predictable--hospitals basically know what they're getting and when. It doesn't overwhelm medical facilities. H1H1 was a little different. It started earlier, lasted longer, and predominantly hit kids/pregnant woman/ health younger adults. But it was still manageable (except Mexico). People worried, news went on and on, but eventually settled down. This is totally different. It goes from nothing to overwhelming in a few weeks. Whatever the mortality rate is, the consensus is that it is much higher than the flu. The only way to limit the damage in outbreaks like this is social distancing. Just like the 1918 flu epidemic, which is what this should be compared to. Do you think the people who shut everything down in 1918 hated their president? Or maybe, in 1918, they freaked out and shut everything down because they knew a hundred years in the future that Trump would be president and they knew they would hate him? Bizziken 1 Link to post Share on other sites
cgeldmacher Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, moytoy12 said: The article linked earlier had a great description on the fatality rate. Essentially, it was based on how prepared a country was and likely varied from 0.5% (most prepared) to 6% (least prepared). There's also strong sentiment that the fatality rate is much lower than 1%. The reasoning is that many more people have it than have been officially diagnosed with it. The people with the serious symptoms are the ones who get tested and reported. The ones with mild symptoms aren't even going to the doctor. Link to post Share on other sites
cgeldmacher Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, moytoy12 said: Take those infection/fatality numbers with a grain of salt. It’s in China’s economic interest to get to “normalcy” ASAP. I would also argue that its in the US's interest to do the same. Link to post Share on other sites
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