Box and Won Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: I'm with this. I initially was not a fan of this idea, but am totally on board with it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Why do people assume the AAC what’s to add more basketball only programs? They needed to add one to get to twelve in basketball because Navy is a football only member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, brianstl said: Why do people assume the AAC what’s to add more basketball only programs? They needed to add one to get to twelve in basketball because Navy is a football only member. I think it's more that it's a preference if we're going to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Box and Won said: I initially was not a fan of this idea, but am totally on board with it now. Wait, what about the following idea (just hear me out): we form a new conference with 11 other strong Jesuit/catholic basketball only schools, preferably ones in or close to the Midwest. TheA_Bomb likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Light Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, moytoy12 said: Wait, what about the following idea (just hear me out): we form a new conference with 11 other strong Jesuit/catholic basketball only schools, preferably ones in or close to the Midwest. It wouldn't work because the team that matches up best with us (size and geographically) are mostly in the Big East--and they won't be leaving for some new league. I mean what's the best possible affiliation of teams? SLU, Loyola, Dayton, Detroit Mercy, St. Bonaventure. Then where do you go from there--Incarnate Word in San Antonio? Notre Dame is not joining up. All of the other midwestern Catholic schools are not Division I. You would have to raid teams from the Patriot League, Northeast Conference, or MAAC. Then you are taking Eastern Seaboard teams that are smaller and less prestigious than the teams in the A-10 you want to get away from. Or you would have to grab teams from the West Coast which is even more problematic. Face it -- unless we get an invite from the Big East to expand to 11 teams (and a 20-game conference schedule) the A-10 is the best spot to be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Matty Light said: It wouldn't work because the team that matches up best with us (size and geographically) are mostly in the Big East--and they won't be leaving for some new league. I mean what's the best possible affiliation of teams? SLU, Loyola, Dayton, Detroit Mercy, St. Bonaventure. Then where do you go from there--Incarnate Word in San Antonio? Notre Dame is not joining up. All of the other midwestern Catholic schools are not Division I. You would have to raid teams from the Patriot League, Northeast Conference, or MAAC. Then you are taking Eastern Seaboard teams that are smaller and less prestigious than the teams in the A-10 you want to get away from. Or you would have to grab teams from the West Coast which is even more problematic. Face it -- unless we get an invite from the Big East to expand to 11 teams (and a 20-game conference schedule) the A-10 is the best spot to be in. It was a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, billikenfan05 said: I think it's more that it's a preference if we're going to do anything. I think the Big Ten would be a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, JMM28 said: I think the Big Ten would be a good fit. SEC or bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 hours ago, moytoy12 said: Wait, what about the following idea (just hear me out): we form a new conference with 11 other strong Jesuit/catholic basketball only schools, preferably ones in or close to the Midwest. Please post pics of those teams or STFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Matty Light said: It wouldn't work because the team that matches up best with us (size and geographically) are mostly in the Big East--and they won't be leaving for some new league. I mean what's the best possible affiliation of teams? SLU, Loyola, Dayton, Detroit Mercy, St. Bonaventure. Then where do you go from there--Incarnate Word in San Antonio? Notre Dame is not joining up. All of the other midwestern Catholic schools are not Division I. You would have to raid teams from the Patriot League, Northeast Conference, or MAAC. Then you are taking Eastern Seaboard teams that are smaller and less prestigious than the teams in the A-10 you want to get away from. Or you would have to grab teams from the West Coast which is even more problematic. Face it -- unless we get an invite from the Big East to expand to 11 teams (and a 20-game conference schedule) the A-10 is the best spot to be in. Diener has Rockhurst perfectly positioned to make the jump from D2 to an upper level D1 conference. You get Diener on board and he will deliver the conference Notre Dame. TheA_Bomb likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, brianstl said: Diener has Rockhurst perfectly positioned to make the jump from D2 to an upper level D1 conference. You get Diener on board and he will deliver the conference Notre Dame. I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 15 hours ago, moytoy12 said: Wait, what about the following idea (just hear me out): we form a new conference with 11 other strong Jesuit/catholic basketball only schools, preferably ones in or close to the Midwest. Gimme Evansville and you've got a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Box and Won said: Gimme Evansville and you've got a deal. Depends on Evansville’s coach but i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRN Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Top Dook assistant Jeff Capel is taking the Pitt job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Louisville called a special meeting for the AD personnel committee tomorrow at 2:30 Eastern, followed by the Board of Trustees at 3:15, in the Presidential Room at the Yum Center. I would expect the press conference announcing Mack as new HC to be at about 4:00 tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010andBeyond Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Rough couple of weeks for Xavier. After the high from getting a 1 seed, a double whammy of losing in the first weekend and then losing their coach. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Latest word is they're down to $28 million for 7 years for Mack. Way, way different than the initial rumors, and it makes me wonder why he wouldn't have accepted Xavier's counteroffer if that number ($3.2 million/year) was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, Pistol said: Latest word is they're down to $28 million for 7 years for Mack. Way, way different than the initial rumors, and it makes me wonder why he wouldn't have accepted Xavier's counteroffer if that number ($3.2 million/year) was correct. About 800,000 reasons for 7 years why. Lot of money to leave on the table if you don't mind leaving the school you are set at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, cheeseman said: About 800,000 reasons for 7 years why. Lot of money to leave on the table if you don't mind leaving the school you are set at. I don't know. If I'm in my hometown, my alma mater, having established a winning program over a decade, I don't think $800,000/year is enough to get me to jump ship to a new program with a ton more pressure, a program that has been beleaguered by scandal and penalties, replacing a coach who has won national titles there. I think I go, "$3.2 million is more than enough to keep me here." Mack's wife is from Louisville and this has always been the one job that reportedly could pull him from Xavier. But man, I would not have done this. If he doesn't put up results in three years, he's going to be fired. And then what? You're back in your wife's hometown but you now might have to start over somewhere else. This is riskier than it appears at first glance. Zink and HenryB like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, Pistol said: I don't know. If I'm in my hometown, my alma mater, having established a winning program over a decade, I don't think $800,000/year is enough to get me to jump ship to a new program with a ton more pressure, a program that has been beleaguered by scandal and penalties, replacing a coach who has won national titles there. I think I go, "$3.2 million is more than enough to keep me here." Mack's wife is from Louisville and this has always been the one job that reportedly could pull him from Xavier. But man, I would not have done this. If he doesn't put up results in three years, he's going to be fired. And then what? You're back in your wife's hometown but you now might have to start over somewhere else. This is riskier than it appears at first glance. You sign a six year contract with a program like Georgia for as much or more than you would be making at X. When that contract is over you are 61 and can retire to any place in the world you would like. People like Mack already have a resume that is good enough to get them their next top paying gig if it doesn't work out with the team that thinks it should be a top 5 program. Tom Crean is the perfect example of this. 2010andBeyond likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Pistol said: I don't know. If I'm in my hometown, my alma mater, having established a winning program over a decade, I don't think $800,000/year is enough to get me to jump ship to a new program with a ton more pressure, a program that has been beleaguered by scandal and penalties, replacing a coach who has won national titles there. I think I go, "$3.2 million is more than enough to keep me here." Mack's wife is from Louisville and this has always been the one job that reportedly could pull him from Xavier. But man, I would not have done this. If he doesn't put up results in three years, he's going to be fired. And then what? You're back in your wife's hometown but you now might have to start over somewhere else. This is riskier than it appears at first glance. I'm with you. This is coming from a guy that has worked at the same company for 19 year after graduation from SLU but I personally wouldn't leave my alma mater, a program that I moved from decent to nearly elite, a program that was in a power conference and paid me a lot of money with virtual certainty for a scandal plagued program and a little more money. Some things are worth more than every last dollar and I have a feeling Mack will end up regretting this move when all is said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, cheeseman said: About 800,000 reasons for 7 years why. Lot of money to leave on the table if you don't mind leaving the school you are set at. Cheeseman, your math is correct, but when you calculate the benefits that get to you after taxes (the $800,000 added to the prior $3.2 M) the difference may not be that great. I think the reason to leave X comes down to personal reasons in this case, not so much to money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Old guy said: Cheeseman, your math is correct, but when you calculate the benefits that get to you after taxes (the $800,000 added to the prior $3.2 M) the difference may not be that great. I think the reason to leave X comes down to personal reasons in this case, not so much to money. I think you have forgotten that there will be the same tax % basically on the 3.2 million so the tax argument is moot. Nobody turns down a raise to go to a new company and says Oh no I will have to pay more taxes on the extra money so I am staying at the old job and lower money. The comparison here is between 3.2 and 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Puts him as the 6th highest paid coach in the NCAA. But that doesn’t seem enough to walk into a program that is about to meltdown like Chernobyl. 3.2 would have put him top10. With a program that is humming along. Not nearly enough to make the ~100 mile move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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