willie Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 who on our current roster is a hotel management or a physical education major? the big public universities have oodles of majors available for their students that slu does not have. all the more ability to find a way to get a recruit to come. i consider that a "restriction".We have Criminal Justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 We have Criminal Justice. so does all the public schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 We also have political science with Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 who on our current roster is a hotel management or a physical education major? the big public universities have oodles of majors available for their students that slu does not have. all the more ability to find a way to get a recruit to come. i consider that a "restriction". Slu isn't an ivy, far from it. As much as it pains to say, we are on par with mizzou academically unless you are in premed. Business, sociology, criminal justice, etc majors at Slu are all jokes. I find it very hard to believe most high school seniors would have a hard time getting into Slu to play bball because of grades. What's the average nowadays for getting accepted into Slu without having a sports gift? 24 act and 66% acceptance rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 so does all the public schools. *do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Slu isn't an ivy, far from it. As much as it pains to say, we are on par with mizzou academically unless you are in premed. Business, sociology, criminal justice, etc majors at Slu are all jokes. I find it very hard to believe most high school seniors would have a hard time getting into Slu to play bball because of grades. What's the average nowadays for getting accepted into Slu without having a sports gift? 24 act and 66% acceptance rate? no, but having to take Theology, Philosophy and other core requirements is a turnoff for recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Slu isn't an ivy, far from it. As much as it pains to say, we are on par with mizzou academically unless you are in premed. Business, sociology, criminal justice, etc majors at Slu are all jokes. I find it very hard to believe most high school seniors would have a hard time getting into Slu to play bball because of grades. What's the average nowadays for getting accepted into Slu without having a sports gift? 24 act and 66% acceptance rate? i never said the big public schools were not also good academically. i said they have choices. choices that might make the difference between getting a player or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 who on our current roster is a hotel management or a physical education major? the big public universities have oodles of majors available for their students that slu does not have. all the more ability to find a way to get a recruit to come. i consider that a "restriction". Roy, the statement was that you could not get in to SLU when you can get into other schools. My point was that SLU will accept any kid that meets NCAA minimum requirements out of high school and juccos as well depending on individual's credit situation. Now you are referencing degree options once in SLU and that is a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 no, but having to take Theology, Philosophy and other core requirements is a turnoff for recruits. This may cause a kid to think twice but taking these classes are not a requirement to get in only a requirement to graduate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Amazing that such a highly regarded school would take on a coach with all of his baggage. Just shows that most are buying in to the win at any cost mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Sanctions against Tulsa on the way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 no, but having to take Theology, Philosophy and other core requirements is a turnoff for recruits.Not if you take Jay Hammond never thought I'd enjoy theology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Hey, Cuonzo still doesn't have a signed contract at Cal. Who needs a signed contract? (Just kidding.) Bring in Travis Ford and as my Dad would say, "Let's get this show on the road." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Billikens08 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Sanctions against Tulsa on the way...Not surprising. How is Haith allowed to walk into a gym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 But his record suggests him finding a way to finish right around .500 in league play regardless of the amount of elite talent on his roster. His best season in the Big 12 was with a team ranked in the top 5 heading into the season and he manged to lose 9 games with that roster and not win a game in the tournament. This guy is as mediocre as they come, the white Frank Haith. He is sold as a big time recruiter and a bad x's and o's coach, one of those will definitely translate to SLU. I was thinking more the white Larry Finch, but I don't think that would be fair to Finch. Finch had a lot more success than Ford ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Back to the issue of academics at SLU. SLU is not a diploma factory as some schools are. For example, remember Willie, same class as Kwamain. He was a very good basketball player but could not cope with academics at SLU and dropped out. You do not see players dropping out of state schools because of academics, or do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 no, but having to take Theology, Philosophy and other core requirements is a turnoff for recruits. I never put these two aspects of my life together. But you make a good point. SLU's Core requirements (which are a bit extreme) make actually be detrimental for basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 But his record suggests him finding a way to finish right around .500 in league play regardless of the amount of elite talent on his roster. His best season in the Big 12 was with a team ranked in the top 5 heading into the season and he manged to lose 9 games with that roster and not win a game in the tournament. This guy is as mediocre as they come, the white Frank Haith. He is sold as a big time recruiter and a bad x's and o's coach, one of those will definitely translate to SLU. So I ran OK St record during the Ford years and projected their team into the A-10 ...as though they were an A-10 member This is what it looks like.... ........................Ok St. in the A-10 hypothetical...................SLU actual 2016........................9-9.........7th pl........................................5-13....12th pl 2015.......................13-5.........2nd pl......................................3-15.....14th pl 2014........................14-2.........1st pl.......................................13-3.....1st pl 2013.........................13-3........1st pl........................................13-3.....1st pl 2012..........................9-7........6th pl.........................................12-4.....2nd pl 2011..........................9-7.........6th pl.........................................6-10....10th pl The numbers show that Ford would hold his own quite well in the A-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 -it's 6.30 in middle America, do you know where your coach is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 So I ran OK St record during the Ford years and projected their team into the A-10 ...as though they were an A-10 member This is what it looks like.... ........................Ok St. in the A-10 hypothetical...................SLU actual 2016........................9-9.........7th pl........................................5-13....12th pl 2015.......................13-5.........2nd pl......................................3-15.....14th pl 2014........................14-2.........1st pl.......................................13-3.....1st pl 2013.........................13-3........1st pl........................................13-3.....1st pl 2012..........................9-7........6th pl.........................................12-4.....2nd pl 2011..........................9-7.........6th pl.........................................6-10....10th pl The numbers show that Ford would hold his own quite well in the A-10 Huh. With players Ford recruited to OSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 So I ran OK St record during the Ford years and projected their team into the A-10 ...as though they were an A-10 member This is what it looks like.... ........................Ok St. in the A-10 hypothetical...................SLU actual 2016........................9-9.........7th pl........................................5-13....12th pl 2015.......................13-5.........2nd pl......................................3-15.....14th pl 2014........................14-2.........1st pl.......................................13-3.....1st pl 2013.........................13-3........1st pl........................................13-3.....1st pl 2012..........................9-7........6th pl.........................................12-4.....2nd pl 2011..........................9-7.........6th pl.........................................6-10....10th pl The numbers show that Ford would hold his own quite well in the A-10 You're assuming he gets the same players/team at SLU. If Ford brings a Marcus Smart-level talent plus others to SLU, then sure, he'll have a good chance at the success in the A-10 you project above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Back to the issue of academics at SLU. SLU is not a diploma factory as some schools are. For example, remember Willie, same class as Kwamain. He was a very good basketball player but could not cope with academics at SLU and dropped out. You do not see players dropping out of state schools because of academics, or do you? Nobody ever said SLU was diploma mill. All that was said was that if you meet the NCAA minimum requirements then you can get in if you are on a schollie. While I don't have any names I am sure somewhere in the USA a kid on a bb or football schollie has not made it academically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 You're assuming he gets the same players/team at SLU. If Ford brings a Marcus Smart-level talent plus others to SLU, then sure, he'll have a good chance at the success in the A-10 you project above. Exactly should dominate the A10 with a Big12 big state school roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Huh. With players Ford recruited to OSU? Yes ...those teams he coached ..if they hypothetically played in the A-10 those years ...those are the projected records and finishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I am sure you are right cheeseman but we do have a name for at least one basketball player who did not make it at SLU for academic reasons. That is more than what we have of OK State or any of the other schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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