billiken_roy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 How many transfers out did we have the last 4 years? 3 I think. And we didn't exactly hit home runs. Keep in mind recruiting to slu is not like recruiting to ok state where you have Maybe the biggest college sports booster in America plus all the advantages of a large big 12 public school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveLisch Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 That kind of thing is real common. The firing team pays a buy out up to X per year for Y years. The hiring team really has nothing to do with that at all though it can be taken into account for the salary for those years. The firing team has to pay the difference normally. See Will Muschamp to Auburn from HC at UF to AC at AU I don't foresee a contract negotiation as the hold up here. That's all speculation on my part though. Thanks for the info, definitely makes me question what the hold up is as well. Although I think it is just that: a hold up. I'm pretty sure he's our guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I see Frank C. is in full homer mode now about the hiring of Travis Ford. Here is Ford's coaching career by the #s: Oklahoma State 2015-16 - 12-10 overall/3-15 in conference (9th place finish in conference) 2014-15 - 18-14 overall/8-10 in conference (T-6th place in conference) - NCAA Tournament #9 seed (lost in opening round) 2013-14 - 21-13 overall/8-10 in conference (8th place in conference) - NCAA Tournament #9 seed (lost in opening round) 2012-13 - 24-9 overall/13-5 in conference (3rd place in conference) - NCAA Tournament #5 seed (lost in opening round) 2011-12 - 15-18 overall/7-11 in conference (7th place in conference) 2010-11 - 20-14 overall/6-10 in conference (9th place in conference) - NIT 2009-10 - 22-11 overall/9-7 in conference (T-6th place in conference) - NCAA Tournament #7 seed (lost in opening round) 2008-09 - 23-12 overall/9-7 in conference (T-4th place in conference) - NCAA Tournament #8 seed (won opening round game and lost in next round) Overall at Oklahoma State - 155-111 overall/63-80 in conferene - 1 NCAA Tournament win -So around .500 and middle of the conference most seasons which for the Big 12 puts you in the tournament where his teams primarily lost in the opening round. UMass 2007-08 - 25-11 overall/10-6 in conference (3rd place in conference) - NIT (runners-up) 2006-07 - 24-9 overall/13-3 in conference (T-1st in conference) -NIT (2nd round) 2005-06 - 13-15 overall/8-8 in conference (T-7th in conference) Overall at UMass - 62-35 overall/31-17 in conference -So solid success at UMass, I guess that run in the NIT set him up for the Okie State job? Eastern Kentucky 2004-05 - 22-9 overall/11-5 in conference (2nd place in conference) - NCAA Tournament #15 seed (lost in opening round) 2003-04 - 14-15 overall/8-8 in conference (4th place in conference) 2002-03 - 11-17 overall/5-11 in conference (T-8th place in conference) 2001-02 - 7-20 overall/3-13 in conference (9th place in conference) 200-01 - 7-19 overall/1-15 in conference (9th place in conference) Overall at EKU - 61-80 overall/28-52 in conference -So one good season at EKU. Overall that puts him at 278-226 overall/122-149 in conference with one shared regular season conference championship at UMass and one NCAA Tournament win. So we have a coach who has proven to be mediocre? And we are foolish for wanting more than that? Of the last 6 seasons , this was OK St's worst year . Playing in the A+ rated B12 conf (which I would say was the best conf in 2015-16) they had a dismal record...But when you consider they were playing with a squad decimated by injuries and an A rated schedule (including OOC games ...30th toughest) plus 13 top 50 games and 10 top 25 games...they held their own. That 12-20 record (a B rated) team was far different from the Bills 11-21 (D+ ) . According to my numbers had the OK St team played in the A-10 this year they would have finished at 9-9 or about the same as RI. While .500 is nothing to write home about ...remember this was their worst season...way better than finishing 5-13....and the other 5 years were much better. Ford's record has been good enough for a coaching chance here. The metrics show he will be competitive in the A-10 I think he will do fine . Was he the best hire? Time will tell. I will support him till he gives me a reason not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 How many transfers out did we have the last 4 years? 3 I think. And we didn't exactly hit home runs. Keep in mind recruiting to slu is not like recruiting to ok state where you have Maybe the biggest college sports booster in America plus all the advantages of a large big 12 public school. and don't forget SLU's academic restrictions in regards to initial admissions, continuing eligibility and transfers. Just slightly more difficult from the place known as Okie Lite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 How many transfers out did we have the last 4 years? 3 I think. And we didn't exactly hit home runs. Keep in mind recruiting to slu is not like recruiting to ok state where you have Maybe the biggest college sports booster in America plus all the advantages of a large big 12 public school. Re: transfers I think many of the transfers today (in CBB) happen due to coaching changes. You could essentially view Crews's time at SLU as an extension of the old staff. Because it was essentially the same guys minus RickMa. Now, whoever the hire will be, it will be a completely different regime - so different atmosphere, different set of expectations, etc. That's not what the current crop of guys signed up for, so that would be a huge reason for a lot of these guys to move elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billfan78 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I will support the team. I think this is a bad selection from a PR standpoint. We just had a coach who demoralized the fanbase and now we hire a guy who did the same to his fans (see twitter reaction from OSU people if you doubt me). Why not hire an up and coming coach and/or assistant who came from a winning program? It would give fans hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU_Billikens08 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Say Ford is the next coach at SLU. Who would you like to see as his assistants.Do you think he brings his staff from okie st. or does he start over with a new staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Say Ford is the next coach at SLU. Who would you like to see as his assistants. The greatest X and O coach in the history of basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Of the last 6 seasons , this was OK St's worst year . Playing in the A+ rated B12 conf (which I would say was the best conf in 2015-16) they had a dismal record...But when you consider they were playing with a squad decimated by injuries and an A rated schedule (including OOC games ...30th toughest) plus 13 top 50 games and 10 top 25 games...they held their own. That 12-20 record (a B rated) team was far different from the Bills 11-21 (D+ ) . According to my numbers had the OK St team played in the A-10 this year they would have finished at 9-9 or about the same as RI. While .500 is nothing to write home about ...remember this was their worst season...way better than finishing 5-13....and the other 5 years were much better. Ford's record has been good enough for a coaching chance here. The metrics show he will be competitive in the A-10 I think he will do fine . Was he the best hire? Time will tell. I will support him till he gives me a reason not to. Joe Castiglione, the Oklahoma AD, told Frank Cusumano this morning (on 920cbssports/insidestl.com) that Travis Ford's OSU team this season ('15-'16) had injury problems. All 3 of Cusumano's guests, Barry Tramel, a well known sportswriter for The Oklahoman, John Pelphrey, Ford's former teammate at Kentucky (under Rick Pitino) and the former Head Coach at Arkansas, and Castiglione, were complimentary of Travis Ford as a Coach. Pelphrey said Ford is a "great hire." Frank Cusumano said Ford has had 3 McDonald's All-Americans. I think SLU is fortunate to get a Travis Ford, if that is in fact the case. Let's go Bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Yeah seriously. Travis Ford is an okay hire and that's fine. You post like an 8 year old throwing a temper tantrum. Just as coaches have to go through stepping stones so do programs. We're bottom the of NCAA now. Ford has to win. He can rehab this program and his career and when he leaves for greener pastures we'll he better positioned to bring in a hot shot up and comer. Fully and completely agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveLisch Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Take this for what it's worth, don't know why a guy in Phoenix would be in the know: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 Say Ford is the next coach at SLU. Who would you like to see as his assistants. Well one of his assistants from OKState just got hired at NCState. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 and don't forget SLU's academic restrictions in regards to initial admissions, continuing eligibility and transfers. Just slightly more difficult from the place known as Okie Lite. We have no restrictions - this is a myth. Years ago the school has allowed any athlete on a schollie in if they meet the NCAA minimum requirements. Juccos may have some other credit issue that would be specific to the individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Looks like we may end up waiting until after Thursday night anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Of the last 6 seasons , this was OK St's worst year. But his record suggests him finding a way to finish right around .500 in league play regardless of the amount of elite talent on his roster. His best season in the Big 12 was with a team ranked in the top 5 heading into the season and he manged to lose 9 games with that roster and not win a game in the tournament. This guy is as mediocre as they come, the white Frank Haith. He is sold as a big time recruiter and a bad x's and o's coach, one of those will definitely translate to SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 This situation really could get worse. If this falls through with Ford, and Drew had no intention of coming here, this could get real interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Take this for what it's worth, don't know why a guy in Phoenix would be in the know: https://twitter.com/PHX_USA_Sports/status/715274931429318657?s=09 Nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 But his record suggests him finding a way to finish right around .500 in league play regardless of the amount of elite talent on his roster. His best season in the Big 12 was with a team ranked in the top 5 heading into the season and he manged to lose 9 games with that roster and not win a game in the tournament. This guy is as mediocre as they come, the white Frank Haith. He is sold as a big time recruiter and a bad x's and o's coach, one of those will definitely translate to SLU. Well at least we didn't hire a D2 coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Well one of his assistants from OKState just got hired at NCState. Another one who I mentioned earlier, Bill Grier who was an assistant at Gonzaga for 15 years, recently signed with Colorado. I thought he could have been a good fit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Here's what I don't get about the situation. I totally understand if there are some contractual hold-ups and SLU couldn't confirm the hiring. But why did they feel like they had to say it wasn't true? I agree with bonwich, there is zero chance Stu would have been able to go public with that if multiple people didn't feel comfortable with his source. So what's the hold up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindellWest Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 This situation really could get worse. If this falls through with Ford, and Drew had no intention of coming here, this could get real interesting. This is comforting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Here's what I don't get about the situation. I totally understand if there are some contractual hold-ups and SLU couldn't confirm the hiring. But why did they feel like they had to say it wasn't true? I agree with bonwich, there is zero chance Stu would have been able to go public with that if multiple people didn't feel comfortable with his source. So what's the hold up? As far as I know, they didn't say it wasn't true. They just said that they haven't hired a coach yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 This situation really could get worse. If this falls through with Ford, and Drew had no intention of coming here, this could get real interesting. Interesting could = Leon Rice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I dont understand all the Rice talk still. He said last night that he's looking forward to next season in Boise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 We have no restrictions - this is a myth. Years ago the school has allowed any athlete on a schollie in if they meet the NCAA minimum requirements. Juccos may have some other credit issue that would be specific to the individual. who on our current roster is a hotel management or a physical education major? the big public universities have oodles of majors available for their students that slu does not have. all the more ability to find a way to get a recruit to come. i consider that a "restriction". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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