Old guy Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: You make a good point that fans will speculate on who may transfer even if the team isn't overbooked, but at least then transferring will more likely be the player's heartfelt choice rather than having been psyched into it because he knows one or more guys will be given the boot to make room for newcomers when there's oversubscription. Recruiting success (on paper) doesn't always translate to program success on the court. Coach Ford has restocked the roster with talented recruits and transfers, yet some fans are exhibiting greed for more on-paper recruiting success when they don't even know what the current team will do on the court yet. Again respectfully, I will submit to you that maybe, just maybe, the coaches believe there will be extra spots to be filled for next year. That opens space for a VC from someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniorbill76 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, slu72 said: Transferring has become the choice du jour for guys who just aren't happy at the school they first chose. A 2015 report by the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center found that more than a third of college students transfer and that nearly half of those do it more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macallan 18 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 That we are debating the pros and cons of taking 4 Kids when we have 3 available scholarships is awesome. My how far we have come under Coach Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Stu retweeted the Rhoden final four, so good to see he is following my advice and not ignoring recruiting. Not sure why anyone would think that is ok for a beat writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierBilliken Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Macallan 18 said: That we are debating the pros and cons of taking 4 Kids when we have 3 available scholarships is awesome. My how far we have come under Coach Ford. Agree, except for the fact we have never been in this position...ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquinas Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I trust coach ford. He knows his players and could easily know of a player who plans to leave, injuries, personal reasons, grades, bottom of pecking order, or the likely consequences of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Just an FYI, Seton Hall has been trending up the last few seasons and is a preseason Top 20 team. For an East Coast kid to receive a scholarship offer from a Big East team of that caliber is a pretty big deal. CBFan likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLURadioBoy Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I don't believe this has been posted, but here is a nice article about Pearson committing to SLU. http://www.thenewsenterprise.com/sports/boys-prep-basketball-pearson-picks-saint-louis/article_00ceb2f4-7f60-5df4-9c68-d326f6236218.html Zink and majerus mojo like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, SLURadioBoy said: I don't believe this has been posted, but here is a nice article about Pearson committing to SLU. http://www.thenewsenterprise.com/sports/boys-prep-basketball-pearson-picks-saint-louis/article_00ceb2f4-7f60-5df4-9c68-d326f6236218.html good share Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macallan 18 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 10 hours ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: I'm not saying a recruit should do that. Of course the coaches should continue to recruit (keep developing relationships with players) in the 2018 class in preparation for inevitable transfer activity after the season, but I think oversubscribing (in advance) hurts the overall culture of the program. We might have between 1 and 4 available scholarships in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, Macallan 18 said: We might have between 1 and 4 available scholarships in the near future. Lol. AO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 17 hours ago, juniorbill76 said: A 2015 report by the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center found that more than a third of college students transfer and that nearly half of those do it more than once. I can see a high % with basketball players because of having to sit-out a year. They complete the undergrad requirements in 4 yrs & become a graduate transfer that final year. McBroom did it. Interesting study would be how many of these grad transfers actually attain a post graduate degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Happy Anniversary Littlebill, NextYearBill, Ice Billiken and 1 other like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 41 minutes ago, tarheelbilliken said: I can see a high % with basketball players because of having to sit-out a year. They complete the undergrad requirements in 4 yrs & become a graduate transfer that final year. McBroom did it. Interesting study would be how many of these grad transfers actually attain a post graduate degree. This is obviously dated, but copied from SI. Strictly my guess, but as Grad Transfer numbers increase, I'm guessing the % obtaining degrees is going down (and the % failing to obtain - the stat in this article - is increasing). According to the NCAA, of the graduate transfers who played football in 2013 and '14, 55% failed to complete their graduate study, compared with 56% in men's basketball, 42% in baseball and 16% in women's volleyball. The correlation is obvious: The higher the revenue and prominence of the sport, the lower the graduate-school completion rate, suggesting that many players are switching schools for athletic, not academic, opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsgo Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 11 hours ago, Macallan 18 said: We might have between 1 and 4 available scholarships in the near future. Do you have information about this or are you just stirring the pot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 3 hours ago, HoosierPal said: This is obviously dated, but copied from SI. Strictly my guess, but as Grad Transfer numbers increase, I'm guessing the % obtaining degrees is going down (and the % failing to obtain - the stat in this article - is increasing). According to the NCAA, of the graduate transfers who played football in 2013 and '14, 55% failed to complete their graduate study, compared with 56% in men's basketball, 42% in baseball and 16% in women's volleyball. The correlation is obvious: The higher the revenue and prominence of the sport, the lower the graduate-school completion rate, suggesting that many players are switching schools for athletic, not academic, opportunities. Thanks Hoosier. Just wondering, many post graduate degrees take longer then one year. A transfer, I believe, is only entitled to one year of scholarship. I am sure, not all but maybe some, it's financial issues that prevent completing the degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 23 hours ago, 3star_recruit said: We were one of the first schools to offer Rhoden and I think we made the cut because he respects that. I wish him and his AAU teammate well at Seton Hall. I've seen this episode of "Seinfeld." The Jayson Tatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Rumor on the Illini board is that THT was ready to commit to the Illini, but Ayo told the coaches he’s out if THT comes. Jerry Meyer also changed his crystal ball from UI to "fuzzy"(!) ... so perhaps more to the reported riff between those two than previously perceived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macallan 18 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 5 hours ago, gobillsgo said: Do you have information about this or are you just stirring the pot? Not stirring the pot. Some think we should stop recruiting because our three spots are full. Just saying why would we stop recruiting top talent especially when there is the potential some scholarships may open up. It is looking less likely, but until this is completely resolved we should not take anything for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, Macallan 18 said: Not stirring the pot. Some think we should stop recruiting because our three spots are full. Just saying why would we stop recruiting top talent especially when there is the potential some scholarships may open up. It is looking less likely, but until this is completely resolved we should not take anything for granted. Those of us who don't want to oversubscribe are not saying to stop recruiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBilliken Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Quality Is Job 1 said: Those of us who don't want to oversubscribe are not saying to stop recruiting. If SLU signs 4 in November, you have no idea if they are"oversubscribed" unless you are part of Ford's Staff. There could be a player who has already indicated he is playing one more season for a large number of reasons including graduation early, injury history, etc........an agreement in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 THT commits in about an hour and Illini Twitter is somewhere close to a meltdown. Stay tuned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 53 minutes ago, johnbj14 said: THT commits in about an hour and Illini Twitter is somewhere close to a meltdown. Stay tuned... They've been in a steady meltdown for two years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 THT IOWA ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: THT IOWA ST. It the staff really backed off of THT because ayo told them to, they are going to get owned in chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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