NCAA Tournament 2024

[Lando Griffin]

Still don’t think a conf tourney qualifier should ever play in a play in game but that 16 seed game was fun.

 

UVA is just gross. 

[BLIKNS]

I agree , I think if you win your conference tournament, you are a champion and have earned the bid. Play in should be for at large bid... 

[Lord Elrond]

Question for the selection committee: “How’s that choice of UVA for the NCAA Tournament looking now after the 67-42 loss to Colorado State?  Still think you made the right choice?”

Let’s get real, that game was simply not competitive. 25 point loss to a team that only scored 67 points?

[dlarry]

The. Virginia baseball team scored more runs yesterday than the basketball team did in the first half.

great job selection committee!

[Lord Elrond]

Ah! But the second question for the selection committee: “So do you think that in the future, you will use this experience of this colossal non-competitive fail to alter how you prioritize selecting teams in the middle of the pack from Power 5 conferences over good mid-major schools?”

NCAA Selection Committee answer: “A lot more people watch UVA than Indiana State, we see no failure here. We’re good, thanks. Not only do we not see a failure here, we can’t understand why you would ask the question. Again, more eyeballs watching the Cavaliers than watching the Sycamores.”

[Lando Griffin]

13 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:

Ah! But the second question for the selection committee: “So do you think that in the future, you will use this experience of this colossal non-competitive fail to alter how you prioritize selecting teams in the middle of the pack from Power 5 conferences over good mid-major schools?”

NCAA Selection Committee answer: “A lot more people watch UVA than Indiana State, we see no failure here. We’re good, thanks. Not only do we not see a failure here, we can’t understand why you would ask the question. Again, more eyeballs watching the Cavaliers than watching the Sycamores.”

Exactly why I think if they are going to expand get rid of the 16 seed play ins and put more P6 play ins.  Let the little guys have their day, more eyes on the P6 games anyway!

One other thing is that those 16 seeds to get a “unit” paid out to them for playing so that’s decently important dollars wise.

 

[ACE]

Not only is UVa bad, they are terribly boring to watch. They had no business in the Dance. The screwing of ISU should be concerning to all mid-majors. Some day Coach Schertz could have SLU with a top 30 NET and we get screwed from the auto bid.

[dlarry]

3 hours ago, Lord Elrond said:

Ah! But the second question for the selection committee: “So do you think that in the future, you will use this experience of this colossal non-competitive fail to alter how you prioritize selecting teams in the middle of the pack from Power 5 conferences over good mid-major schools?”

NCAA Selection Committee answer: “A lot more people watch UVA than Indiana State, we see no failure here. We’re good, thanks. Not only do we not see a failure here, we can’t understand why you would ask the question. Again, more eyeballs watching the Cavaliers than watching the Sycamores.”

But is the at true?

I think more people would watch a 25-5 Indiana state team play a 18-12 Power 5 school that would watch 2 18-12 power 5 school teams play.

The casual fan tunes into the tournament for the ISU storyline not the UVA storyline. 

[ACE]

2 minutes ago, dlarry said:

But is the at true?

I think more people would watch a 25-5 Indiana state team play a 18-12 Power 5 school that would watch 2 18-12 power 5 school teams play.

The casual fan tunes into the tournament for the ISU storyline not the UVA storyline. 

Exactly, and what about merit? The committee needs to stop talking about the NET if it doesn't matter. ISU at 29 and UVa at 54... that's not even close. 

When the NET or quads or whatever other analytic doesn't suit an argument... go with the "eye test"!

[slufan13]

The mountain west seems legit.

[Lord Elrond]

32 minutes ago, dlarry said:

But is the at true?

I think more people would watch a 25-5 Indiana state team play a 18-12 Power 5 school that would watch 2 18-12 power 5 school teams play.

The casual fan tunes into the tournament for the ISU storyline not the UVA storyline. 

Casual fans might tune in for later games in big runs, or they may not.  Fans of a program always tune in. They go with certainty.

[Lando Griffin]

3 hours ago, slufan13 said:

The mountain west seems legit.

They’ve got a chip on their shoulder too with how they were seeded.

[HoosierPal]

Izzo wants to cut out auto bids for mid majors.  It's just a matter of time.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39771265/tom-izzo-ncaa-selection-process-needs-more-nuance-less-analytics

[Lando Griffin]

3 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

Izzo wants to cut out auto bids for mid majors.  It's just a matter of time.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39771265/tom-izzo-ncaa-selection-process-needs-more-nuance-less-analytics

I couldn’t imagine a quicker way to ruin the magic of this tournament than do something like that. 

[almaman]

screw the casual fan. the Dance biggest sports thing in USA besides NFL.  It should be geared toward everyone not just those with a dog in the race. 

[Brighton]

1 hour ago, HoosierPal said:

Izzo wants to cut out auto bids for mid majors.  It's just a matter of time.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39771265/tom-izzo-ncaa-selection-process-needs-more-nuance-less-analytics

Because he knows he avoided an upset loss on a BS call a decade ago in Columbus.

[Soderball]

1 hour ago, HoosierPal said:

Izzo wants to cut out auto bids for mid majors.  It's just a matter of time.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39771265/tom-izzo-ncaa-selection-process-needs-more-nuance-less-analytics

Izzo is such a bum.

[ACE]

1 hour ago, HoosierPal said:

Izzo wants to cut out auto bids for mid majors.  It's just a matter of time.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39771265/tom-izzo-ncaa-selection-process-needs-more-nuance-less-analytics

I have talked about this in other threads... Real mid-majors (schools like us) need to be a part of the conversation and start shaping how we talk about the college hoops landscape.

The "mid majors" he's talking about are actually low D1; The media just tends to lump every non-P6 school into this "mid-major" basket. Here's how I would define the three groups...

P6: schools that will always get multiple at-large bids; with the exception of the Big East, these are schools that play football.

Mid-majors: A-10, MVC, WCC and AAC (they generally play football, not very well and any one of these schools would jump to get into a different football league). These schools at least have the possibility of getting an at-large bid, although the changing landscape of college basketball is making this much more difficult - switching from the NET to RPI; P6 conferences getting bigger which means fewer opportunities to put together a strong non-conference schedule; NIL & free agency generally will benefit the P6 schools. Sometimes these conferences will only get one at-large bid at best, in addition to the auto bid.

Low D1: Getting an at large bid is nearly impossible at this level. They account for approximately 20 spots per year - there is plenty of representation of this group in the field of 68.

Which is the group that is getting squeezed and barely getting any representation? True mid-majors need to do a better job of fighting for their piece of the pie. I feel like they need to pool together  and hire a lobbyist & media firm. All we hear about is from the poor P6 schools. Every mid-major should have been outraged about ISU and made a big deal about it. Instead we hear from 15 second Pitino, old man Izzo and tools like Bilas pimping for the P6 schools. Little brother Kimmie English whining and then promptly gets bounced in the first round of the NIT - .  Sure, the low majors have provided some great one-off moments like UMBC and that element should stay in the tournament, but the great Cinderella March Madness deep runs have come out of the Mid-Major group (VCU, Butler, George Mason, FAU, Gonzaga (in the early days), and Loyola).  Unfortunately, these types of stories will become increasingly rare as the number of bids continues to shrink each year. 

[almaman]

45 minutes ago, ACE said:

I have talked about this in other threads... Real mid-majors (schools like us) need to be a part of the conversation and start shaping how we talk about the college hoops landscape.

The "mid majors" he's talking about are actually low D1; The media just tends to lump every non-P6 school into this "mid-major" basket. Here's how I would define the three groups...

P6: schools that will always get multiple at-large bids; with the exception of the Big East, these are schools that play football.

Mid-majors: A-10, MVC, WCC and AAC (they generally play football, not very well and any one of these schools would jump to get into a different football league). These schools at least have the possibility of getting an at-large bid, although the changing landscape of college basketball is making this much more difficult - switching from the NET to RPI; P6 conferences getting bigger which means fewer opportunities to put together a strong non-conference schedule; NIL & free agency generally will benefit the P6 schools. Sometimes these conferences will only get one at-large bid at best, in addition to the auto bid.

Low D1: Getting an at large bid is nearly impossible at this level. They account for approximately 20 spots per year - there is plenty of representation of this group in the field of 68.

Which is the group that is getting squeezed and barely getting any representation? True mid-majors need to do a better job of fighting for their piece of the pie. I feel like they need to pool together  and hire a lobbyist & media firm. All we hear about is from the poor P6 schools. Every mid-major should have been outraged about ISU and made a big deal about it. Instead we hear from 15 second Pitino, old man Izzo and tools like Bilas pimping for the P6 schools. Little brother Kimmie English whining and then promptly gets bounced in the first round of the NIT - .  Sure, the low majors have provided some great one-off moments like UMBC and that element should stay in the tournament, but the great Cinderella March Madness deep runs have come out of the Mid-Major group (VCU, Butler, George Mason, FAU, Gonzaga (in the early days), and Loyola).  Unfortunately, these types of stories will become increasingly rare as the number of bids continues to shrink each year. 

More pie, 8 more pieces feeds the only truly deserving

[Bay Area Billiken]

DUQUESNE WINS!

Long live the Dukes.

[cgeldmacher]

I hate Dayton already.  Then, in a game where I actually want them to win, they suck, which makes me hate them even more.

[MusicCityBilliken]

We can use a Cinderella team in the A-10. Go Dukes!

[BrettJollyComedyHour]

29 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:

I hate Dayton already.  Then, in a game where I actually want them to win, they suck, which makes me hate them even more.

Now they're leading and I f ucking hate them even more.

[brianstl]

20 point run, wow

[laker119]

3 minutes ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said:

Now they're leading and I f ucking hate them even more.

Dayton gonna Dayton