slufan13 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Using Milik primarily at the 4 was a big key tonight. He did well on the glass, and is much better at handling the ball than any of our other bigs. I think we need to continue to see the rotation that we did tonight at the 4/5 position, making sure that Austin and Milik are getting the majority of the minutes, and not being afraid to go small with Ash at the 4 or Reggie at the 5 on occasion. Agree with you. This has been the case since last year. Crews' insistence on trying Milik at the 3 has been baffling. Not only is he best suited there but it opens up more minutes for our wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just checked the stats for the game, Reggie had 8 rebounds (5 def and 3 off) and 3 steals in the 14 min he played. Agree he has a lot of TOs but he does contribute significantly to the team.If they could ever get him to pass the ball out ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Good game but let's not forget the other team is not Kentucky or even Dayton.Thanks bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromDaEastSide Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Some observations: attendance to the game started very low and steadily grew during the game, there were a lot more people in there at the end than at the beginning, lots of families with kids around where I was sitting, nice to see that. Announced crowd was 5419 for our only home game not on broadcast tv. 2nd lowest mark of the year, behind Morehead State (5071). I would expect something in between this number or lower for Wednesday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 If they could ever get him to pass the ball out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 What a low state of affairs Billiken Basketball is in now. No real excitement. If this team goes 13-17 as Wiz says we could we really will be non-relevant. I was sitting at the game looking around and saw a small crowd and the thing that struck me was how JC has sucked the air out of this program. He has managed to take a program that was flying high with an excited base and has turned it into a "who cares" program. If he is retained for next year given the current status I am not sure what happens to the program. When it is hard for a fan such as myself who has held season tix for close over 35 years to make himself go to games what can you expect of the casual fan. Thank you JC and May. I guess I could say well things could turn around but honestly, I have such little hope at this point - this even after a win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Agree cheeEeEEse. Lackluster butts in the seats and no excitement for the team on this board which is the highest concentration of die hards around signals a real downturn in the program. Unfortunately there aren't many building blocks for a new coach to come in and have immediate success. It might be a long rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Exactly on point. Sad state when we get excited over beating one of these lower level teams. All the credibility RM built has been demolished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 There's not even any excitement after A&M like there was after the first few games. Crews has put this board into a deep sleep, as JMM noted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenswin Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 There's not even any excitement after A&M like there was after the first few games. Crews has put this board into a deep sleep, as JMM noted As a longer term fan than almost anyone on this board I would suggest that there are about 8 posters who are constantly negative no matter what happens, even if the team plays better. No one knows better than me that we have been up and down in our play. It is those constantly negative posters who have put this board to sleep. Why would anyone want to say anything positive when they know they will just be attacked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 As a longer term fan than almost anyone on this board I would suggest that there are about 8 posters who are constantly negative no matter what happens, even if the team plays better. No one knows better than me that we have been up and down in our play. It is those constantly negative posters who have put this board to sleep. Why would anyone want to say anything positive when they know they will just be attacked? Apathy is a sign of a failing program. Sounds like you've caught a case of apathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Good point. In the past I would be an optimist no matter the opponent. But after last, and the beginning of this, season, I find myself being more and more apathetic, or generally pissed, each game Crews continues to coach. The wins vs sub-200 RPI teams aren't going to quell that for me personally. First half vs A&M was brutal again. Second half we played much better. It sucks to see the arena empty, the GTD struggling to reach 7 pages. Maybe it's just a holiday lull. Going to need some amazing growth in A-10 play to get any excitement back. It could happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yea maybe apathetic isn't the right word since I still forced myself to watch, and in turn, b***ch, but it's something. And it ain't good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 This thing is spiraling downward faster than a Crews missile. The one thing that gives some hope is that MY could develop into a big-time scorer/rebounder should he ever figure things out. His shooting mechanics aren't horrible so not sure why he's not a more effective shooter. If he could get to 70% or better from the stripe and develop a jumper out to 18', he'd be tough to handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 This thing is spiraling downward faster than a Crews missile. The one thing that gives some hope is that MY could develop into a big-time scorer/rebounder should he ever figure things out. His shooting mechanics aren't horrible so not sure why he's not a more effective shooter. If he could get to 70% or better from the stripe and develop a jumper out to 18', he'd be tough to handle. Forget that, If he could not dribble into 4 defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenbooster Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 or learn how to pick up his man on defense after a made basket. keep it going, Zach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Apathy is a sign of a failing program. Sounds like you've caught a case of apathy. I'm optimistic about the long term future of this team. About the short term future of this board, not so much. Some folks have adopted a narrative that we are a team with poor talent and an even worse coach, and they are going to remind us of that narrative at every opportunity. If the team finishes above .500, it's not like these posters are going to held accountable for the last 9 months worth of posts. They'll just move the goalposts back and start a new line of criticism. The narrative of the clueless coach who can't recruit or develop talent won't change. And that's their prerogative. Contrary to their belief, a high volume of forum posts isn't necessary to field a decent basketball team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I'm optimistic about the long term future of this team. About the short term future of this board, not so much. Some folks have adopted a narrative that we are a team with poor talent and an even worse coach, and they are going to remind us of that narrative at every opportunity. If the team finishes above .500, it's not like these posters are going to held accountable for the last 9 months worth of posts. They'll just move the goalposts back and start a new line of criticism. The narrative of the clueless coach who can't recruit or develop talent talent won't change. And that's their prerogative. Contrary to their belief, a high volume of forum posts isn't necessary to field a decent basketball team. Similarly, the team can get run off their home court half a dozen times a year all while the head coach runs the team into the ground and some posters will continue to have a optimistic outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I'm optimistic about the long term future of this team. About the short term future of this board, not so much. Some folks have adopted a narrative that we are a team with poor talent and an even worse coach, and they are going to remind us of that narrative at every opportunity. If the team finishes above .500, it's not like these posters are going to held accountable for the last 9 months worth of posts. They'll just move the goalposts back and start a new line of criticism. The narrative of the clueless coach who can't recruit or develop talent talent won't change. And that's their prerogative. Contrary to their belief, a high volume of forum posts isn't necessary to field a decent basketball team. If they finish below .500, though, the always-positive set won't be held accountable, either. Such is the nature of a relatively anonymous message board in which no one is required to be accountable. Furthermore, the coach and players are doing a fine job reminding us that the coaching decisions and talent level are questionable; we don't need posters here to repeat the narrative. It's playing out, and it's repeated here for that reason, not because anyone is pushing an agenda. I can only speak for myself - as someone who believes that narrative and hasn't budged from a 13-win prediction - but I don't want the team to be bad. I'm just willing to acknowledge what I see and think a conversation of "how do we change this?" is more productive than "everything's fine." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenswin Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Similarly, the team can get run off their home court half a dozen times a year all while the head coach runs the team into the ground and some posters will continue to have a optimistic outlook As the leader of the constant negative gang, you just proved my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 As the leader of the constant negative gang, you just proved my point. Happy to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I'm optimistic about the long term future of this team. About the short term future of this board, not so much. Some folks have adopted a narrative that we are a team with poor talent and an even worse coach, and they are going to remind us of that narrative at every opportunity. If the team finishes above .500, it's not like these posters are going to held accountable for the last 9 months worth of posts. They'll just move the goalposts back and start a new line of criticism. The narrative of the clueless coach who can't recruit or develop talent won't change. And that's their prerogative. Contrary to their belief, a high volume of forum posts isn't necessary to field a decent basketball team. Above .500 is the criteria for a successful season for the program? With this schedule I think most everyone assumed .500 was a reasonable prediction regardless of what we think of the talent level of the team or ability of the coaches. We are all fans of the program for various reasons, so I doubt many posters would really care if the team far exceeded expectations which certainly has not happened to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010andBeyond Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 As a longer term fan than almost anyone on this board I would suggest that there are about 8 posters who are constantly negative no matter what happens, even if the team plays better. No one knows better than me that we have been up and down in our play. It is those constantly negative posters who have put this board to sleep. Why would anyone want to say anything positive when they know they will just be attacked? It's not just the board. Look at attendance. Not even a decent showing for a Saturday night game against Wichita St. Almost zero excitement around the program right now. Even the players don't look excited. Did anyone notice the walk on who never plays was the one getting the guys in the huddle fired up?! Yikes. And please don't accuse me of being a constant negative nancy. I have generally defended Crews, have attended all but one home game so far. It has just become undeniable at this point the excitement is nonexistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 If they finish below .500, though, the always-positive set won't be held accountable, either. Such is the nature of a relatively anonymous message board in which no one is required to be accountable. I could understand the "both sides do it" argument if the volume had been remotely equal. But if one side is posting 5 negative comments for every positive one, that's not a compelling argument. Hell, we've had entire threads derailed by folks who just wanted to take a potshot at the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I could understand the "both sides do it" argument if the volume had been remotely equal. But if one side is posting 5 negative comments for every positive one, that's not a compelling argument. Hell, we've had entire threads derailed by folks who just wanted to take a potshot at the coach. You act like those who are negative have no basis to do so. I don't have a problem with being optimistic, but let's not ignore the current product either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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