brianstl Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, dlarry said: He took his wife's name? Well that tells me all I need to know about that cake eater. I think he took his husband’s name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, dlarry said: He took his wife's name? Well that tells me all I need to know about that cake eater. Uhhhhh TheChosenOne likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, MattyMo213 said: LOVE IT Someone needs to ask Ms. Jost if "never been assaulted" will be an answer or will the survey be rigged again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlarry Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, brianstl said: I think he took his husband’s name. 1 minute ago, billikenfan05 said: Uhhhhh Oh. Well that makes more sense. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, slusam said: Hopefully Xavier Pinson was delaying his decision to see if SLU had a scholarship available Good calll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Will the triggered button reappear on the new survey? YES +275 NO -350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 fan Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 nm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 fan Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I don’t know which is worse, they are dishonest about this loaded survey being in the works for two years, or that they are stupid enough to release it now. Either is mind boggling. Fred do you have any common sense? Trustees is anyone minding the farm? What a cluster!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillIkenFan_Dan Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, majerus mojo said: Will the triggered button reappear on the new survey? YES +275 NO -350 Knowing Slu... give me the +275 majerus mojo likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUperman Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 What bothers me most is that the Title IX office is not acting to rehash the details and correct any biases or deviances from what most would presume to be a fair process and outcome for the boys. They are acting to affirm their decision and give the appearance that no bias was imparted on the outcome whatsoever. It's a lack of self awareness at best and otherwise vindictive and manipulative. Actually terrifying that these are adults in positions of power acting in this manner. HoosierBilliken and joe_davola like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 43 minutes ago, SLUperman said: What bothers me most is that the Title IX office is not acting to rehash the details and correct any biases or deviances from what most would presume to be a fair process and outcome for the boys. They are acting to affirm their decision and give the appearance that no bias was imparted on the outcome whatsoever. It's a lack of self awareness at best and otherwise vindictive and manipulative. Actually terrifying that these are adults in positions of power acting in this manner. Good post. This is such an unfair web for men to get caught in. Basically a bunch of women write a policy that is incredibly one sided against males and nearly impossible for college age people to live up to. if caught in the web, they then pay for an outside firm to take an extraordinary amount of time compiling a report and pretty much regardless of what that report says, the final verdict will be decided by one woman. If you are lucky enough to get an appeal, 3 more women will hear it. In the meantime you are guilty until proven innocent. Reminds me of the legal system in the Deep South during Jim Crow. HoosierBilliken likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Good work to whoever tweeted Rottler Pest Control about taking of Pestello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majerus mojo Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Goodwin not one of the four confirmed, program saved David King likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluBallz Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, TRN said: He went to SLU in the 90s. Here’s an article about a play he was in a few years back. The players never had a chance with this kangaroo court. What a joke. Once the alumni stop donations it will get real. http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/arts-and-theatre/reviews/entertaining-state-of-marriage-takes-on-prop/article_d1cddc5c-9533-5004-89a1-bb3010d8c8af.html I love the review of a play Troy was in. Review "The rest of the actors in the show, however, never seemed to hit a stride. Pyatt never convincingly acted like he was torn between two men or that he really felt anything at all, besides self-conscious and a little bored. Turnipseed confused acting with yelling," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73Billiken Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 hours ago, SluBallz said: I love the review of a play Troy was in. Review "The rest of the actors in the show, however, never seemed to hit a stride. Pyatt never convincingly acted like he was torn between two men or that he really felt anything at all, besides self-conscious and a little bored. Turnipseed confused acting with yelling," Yikes, sounds like Troy should keep his day job. Well, actually maybe find a different day job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechee89 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, majerus mojo said: Goodwin not one of the four confirmed, program saved I think I just creamed my jeans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkielBreakers Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 5 hours ago, majerus mojo said: Goodwin not one of the four confirmed, program saved Hmm. Seems too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Not quite sure why Turnipseed is getting a hard time here. From all available information he has not played any role in this case so far and it isn’t his fault he is the only male in that office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOne Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I am a graduated alum, but I spoke to my contact who is still on campus yesterday and they said that there are some small, short term positives in the situation. They went on to clarify that in no way does this mean there will be an outcome we are all accepting of, but there may be progress being made..... Baby steps, baby steps. dlarry likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Question for the Title IX people obsessed with reading this board.... How do you know that any of us actually submitted our surveys? What if we all just took the survey and then didn't actually submit? Maybe you got answers only from students and those answers just didn't paint the picture you were looking for so now you blame the message board? TheOne likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 7 hours ago, majerus mojo said: Goodwin not one of the four confirmed, program saved It's definitely a positive development tweet, but I sure wouldn't draw any conclusions that he's in the clear based on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGSLU Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 39 minutes ago, TheOne said: I am a graduated alum, but I spoke to my contact who is still on campus yesterday and they said that there are some small, short term positives in the situation. They went on to clarify that in no way does this mean there will be an outcome we are all accepting of, but there may be progress being made..... Baby steps, baby steps. As a multiple time alum I can say SLU's handling of this situation has completely soured me on the school and has led me to believe the administration is inept. Based on the facts relayed on this board, the only acceptable outcome is reinstatement of the non-video taking people involved. Moreover, the school should provide an explanation as to why only male participants were subject to punishment. Otherwise, the shadow of discrimination (racial and gender) will continue to hover over the school. The school's "Higher Purpose, Greater Good" slogan needs to be scrapped as it does not really portray SLU's teachings and actions. Baby steps are not acceptable. Decisiveness, justice and accountability are acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Do we know who's on the appeal board? NextYearBill likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilkowsky Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 On January 28, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Clock_Tower said: Tilky. Are you really that stupid? We know your reading skills are deficient and that you have some unexplained anger and resentment toward SLU. Seriously, put down the kiddie porn, come out of your parents' basement and wake up. In the meantime, you posts are personally offensive. You equate investigation with guilt. You also suggest that ANY investigation or any guilt, or placing such guilt into context, constitutes me (and others) to be insensitive to women and women's rights (with your over the top comments asking me if I have a daughter) and your comments to me (and others) suggest that I (and others) support making SLU a "win at all costs" "program. Your comments are not only your own comments (free country and free to express on this Board) but are personal, offensive and intentional mischaracterization of me. How would I know what happened that night? As mentioned multiple times -- I don't. At the same time, SLU is my alma mater and I give deference and respect to their ability to handle this matter and their decisions and I feel it is just and appropriate to make assumptions based upon SLU's actions/inactions. Facts: SLU knows what happened. SLU allowed all 3, 4 or 6 players to keep their scholarships and attend class, practice, travel, live in student housing, move them back to on-campus student housing and apparently to allow 1 of them to play. I am NOT suggesting that "the players did nothing that night" --- you are 100% wrong and you either know better or should know better. Again, you post is offensive. Instead, I said that if they did something so bad that night, they should have been gone -- and I trust that SLU would have made them be gone. If 1 or 6 boys truly did something wrong, they should be gone. And if they are still at SLU having truly done something wrong, then I am also upset that SLU would have kept them around. I also said, that because they were not gone, that they could not possibly be deserving of any greater punishment that already levied -- "time served." "Win at all cost" is usually referred to D1 colleges that pay their players, fix grades, provide improper benefits, apply influence with police and prosecutors to "contain" or make criminal violations of their players "go away" have boosters violate NCAA rules and then bail them out afterwards. None of that applies to SLU. SLU is not facing ANY NCAA violations and has never been on athletic probation with the NCAA. Your repeated posts citing the Title IX investigation suggests otherwise and tries to draw comparisons with the true NCAA violators -- N. Carolina, Louisville, etc. - even Mizzou and the Illini have had their multiple violations. SLU has done none of this and does not belong in a category with them. Again, you know better or should know better and therefore a deserving of your title -- troll. Also, I believe you and your aliases should be banned. Why is there an investigation if the sex was consensual? Because apparently alcohol was involved (and SLU is questioning consent), because girls may have changed their mind(s) about consent (and SLU is investigating) and because a complaint was filed (and SLU is investigating apparently even if all the girls are no longer interested in pursuing). If SLU did not investigation, then there would be problem. I am glad that SLU is taking female student complaints serious and have investigated. I am not pleased that this investigation has taken longer than 60 days, etc. Violations of SLU's moral policies/student code of conduct as interpreted by the Kratky's office and in the face of threats by the Obama Administration to withhold federal funding is at stake. SLU cannot, and should not, establish "higher" moral standards for both its athletes and students than that required by their competition (and I would suggest by current Department of Education guidelines). In my opinion, something does not appear correct. I get that investigations take longer than 60 days but I don't get the moving of players back on campus, of including them in pictures/social media, etc. and then the harsh punishments levied against 4 -- not 3 players. If these players are truly deserving of this, then why did SLU take all of its actions which would appear to be contrary to these punishment What I have said is that if the players had chosen another activity besides the one they chose there would be no investigation. I have never suggested SLU is under investigation. When you say SLU needs to decide if they want to be a Division I school that insinuates you want them to do what the other programs you mentioned do. Unfortunately somebody/someone in the group didn't think the sex was consensual. If the players had been dismissed right away as you suggest -where is due process in that? You would have complained they didn't get their day in court. Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty. Funny how so many put faith in Rosenblum, looks like that was misguided. Why I say people want SLU to just sweep this under the rug is they are calling for time served. The fans on this board only care about how this affects the basketball team. They don't care about the young women involved at all. I would imagine ALL colleges and universities are subject to Title IX. My question to you is before this situation happened at SLU did you protest Title IX? What have you done or other posters what have they done to try and change Title IX? Email Roy Blount or Claire McCaskill's office? I bet no one has done anything. Just like when this situation is over they won't do anything. My frustration is that there is no discussion about what poor choices the players made that night. All the blame is put on Pestello and Kratky. Pestello and Kratky are just doing their jobs. If you don't think they are doing their job correctly, when the job becomes open then you should apply for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Tilkowsky up and posting novels before 8:30. What a sad sad person. rgbilliken likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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