Not sayin', just sayin' - The A-10....

[BLIKNS]

Has 9 teams with at least 18 wins

[cheeseman]

5 hours ago, BLIKNS said:

Has 9 teams with at least 18 wins

18 wins is the new 500 record

[slufan13]

What are you sayin

[BLIKNS]

That's pretty pretty pretty good. 

Only other conference to have accomplished this is the Big 12

[wgstl]

9 teams in the top 100

[cheeseman]

18 wins doesn't get you much of anything.  Are we going to get more than an automatic bid?  50/50.  If you are in a P5 conference, then 18 wins will make you  a bubble team not necessarily in the A10 anymore.

[thetorch]

So many teams close to that benchmark in college basketball, 20 wins.  What a great year for our conference.

There are 10-12 programs in the A10 trying to be their best and holding up the conference.  Every conference needs a couple of dregs but there are too many in the A-10.  UMass is already leaving.  Time to kick programs like GW, RI, and SLU to the curb for the better of the conference.

[Lord Elrond]

The teams in the A10 have won a total of 12 Quad 1 games this year. The Big East teams have won a total of 51 Quad 1 games this year, the Mountain West Conference teams have won a total of 28 Quad 1 games this year. Just sayin…

[HoosierPal]

Yesterday during the game, I think it was Joe L that said in 8 of the past 10 years, the 8th rated conference got multiple NCSAA tourney bids.  This year the A10 is rated 8th in NET.  Think we'll get multi bids if Dayton wins the tourney?

[Lord Elrond]

25 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

Yesterday during the game, I think it was Joe L that said in 8 of the past 10 years, the 8th rated conference got multiple NCSAA tourney bids.  This year the A10 is rated 8th in NET.  Think we'll get multi bids if Dayton wins the tourney?

No I do not. If Dayton loses, then we get two bids, Dayton and whoever wins the tournament. If Dayton wins the A10 tournament, they will be the sole A10 participant in the NCAA tournament.

[CenHudDude]

29 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

Yesterday during the game, I think it was Joe L that said in 8 of the past 10 years, the 8th rated conference got multiple NCSAA tourney bids.  This year the A10 is rated 8th in NET.  Think we'll get multi bids if Dayton wins the tourney?

I don’t believe The Wiz thinks so at this point.

[The Wiz]

38 minutes ago, CenHudDude said:

I don’t believe The Wiz thinks so at this point.

Right now , RICH is closing in on a second  A-10 bid...Richmond is currently  at 87% for an NIT bid...If it reaches 95%   it will switch over to a Dance chance.  Here is how the computer  sees a best chance possible for a 2 bid A-10....RICH wins the next 2 to close out the season then meets Day in the A10 final of the tourney.....At that point BOTH,  teams make it.

Loy has an outside chance at this point for a ticket....but there will be no 3rd bid 

[Lando Griffin]

24 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Right now , RICH is closing in on a second  A-10 bid...Richmond is currently  at 87% for an NIT bid...If it reaches 95%   it will switch over to a Dance chance.  Here is how the computer  sees a best chance possible for a 2 bid A-10....RICH wins the next 2 to close out the season then meets Day in the A10 final of the tourney.....At that point BOTH,  teams make it.

Loy has an outside chance at this point for a ticket....but there will be no 3rd bid 

Loyola with their 91 NET needs the auto bid.  
 

A-10 is a 2 bid league if Dayton loses.  One any other way.

 

The conf needs to push that non-con schedule back up. 

[thetorch]

I think we get 3 in if Dayton loses in the semis and richmond makes and loses in the finals to Loyola or Bona.  then we get 3.  

[brianstl]

The NET rankings would tell you the MVC has a better chance to get three than the A10 getting two.

[Lando Griffin]

6 minutes ago, brianstl said:

The NET rankings would tell you the MVC has a better chance to get three than the A10 getting two.

Agree.

Richmond sitting at a NET 71.  Yikes. 

[Lord Elrond]

9 hours ago, Lando Griffin said:

Agree.

Richmond sitting at a NET 71.  Yikes. 

Agree. There are 17 conferences which don’t have anyone ranked in the top 68, but automatically get someone in the tournament, which means if you went strictly by NET rankings, you’d need to be somewhere around 51 to mathematically make it in. Obviously they do not simply go by NET, but what would be the case to pull them in over around 20 other teams? They have only won 1 Quad 1 game all year, and only play A10 teams the rest of the year. There are 12 teams between where Richmond is (and St Bonaventure is for that matter) and where the math says you need to be who have multiple Quad 1 wins, 4 of them with 5 Quad 1 wins. What’s the logic in selecting Richmond over any of them, and replacing one of the even higher ranked teams in the top 50 with Richmond? I’m not sure the committee gets drunk enough to do that.

[slu72]

It’s clear says Captain Obvious that the NET was designed to get more dance invites for P6 teams. Just saying. 

[Lord Elrond]

50 minutes ago, slu72 said:

It’s clear says Captain Obvious that the NET was designed to get more dance invites for P6 teams. Just saying. 

And Captain Obvious would be correct!  So take a look at Kenpom and where is Richmond, the highest ranked team not Dayton in the A10? KenPom has Richmond as #77, which is lower than NET has them (today NET has Richmond at 70). If Dayton wins the A10 tournament, the A10 is a one bid league again this year. If Richmond knocks off Dayton in the A10 finals then they are in, but as the automatic qualifier, and we have a multi-bid league, because Dayton would have to really play like garbage the rest of the way to not make it in the NCAA at this point.

[The Wiz]

41 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:

And Captain Obvious would be correct!  So take a look at Kenpom and where is Richmond, the highest ranked team not Dayton in the A10? KenPom has Richmond as #77, which is lower than NET has them (today NET has Richmond at 70). If Dayton wins the A10 tournament, the A10 is a one bid league again this year. If Richmond knocks off Dayton in the A10 finals then they are in, but as the automatic qualifier, and we have a multi-bid league, because Dayton would have to really play like garbage the rest of the way to not make it in the NCAA at this point.

My numbers show that if Rich wins its final 2 games AND reaches the conference finals with Day...then both teams will Dance regardless of who wins that final game. Of course, this is a computer prediction that is driven by data. The NCAA still has the power to over rule the computers (mine and The NET) to "fix things" and "make things right"

It would depend on who was up against Rich on Selection Sunday....If it was Long Beach St....then RICH is in. If it is St. John's...then the answer to RICH will be ...."We are so sorry"

[ACE]

1 hour ago, slu72 said:

It’s clear says Captain Obvious that the NET was designed to get more dance invites for P6 teams. Just saying. 

And the NIL/free agency era has also not been kind to conferences like the A-10. We had people telling us that increased transferring would be neutral - the quality of players transferring out of the A-10 would equal those transferring down from the P6 to the A-10. With a few exceptions, that has not been the case. The days of transfers like Javon Bess coming into the A-10 to make an impact have become increasingly rare. Most of the transfers that are doing well now are players who were productive at the low D1 level - look at Richmond as a prime example and Bonnie to a lesser extent. On the flipside, former A-10 players are scattered throughout P6 programs. Even a blueblood program like Kentucky has had several former A-10 players and a Valley player in recent years.

Mid-majors like the A-10 and Valley really need to rally together to lobby for the expanded NCAA field of 96 to free up more at-large bids. That's the best chance of getting more bids in the future, because the current environment is not favorable.

 

[willie]

12 minutes ago, ACE said:

And the NIL/free agency era has also not been kind to conferences like the A-10. We had people telling us that increased transferring would be neutral - the quality of players transferring out of the A-10 would equal those transferring down from the P6 to the A-10. With a few exceptions, that has not been the case. The days of transfers like Javon Bess coming into the A-10 to make an impact have become increasingly rare. Most of the transfers that are doing well now are players who were productive at the low D1 level - look at Richmond as a prime example and Bonnie to a lesser extent. On the flipside, former A-10 players are scattered throughout P6 programs. Even a blueblood program like Kentucky has had several former A-10 players and a Valley player in recent years.

Mid-majors like the A-10 and Valley really need to rally together to lobby for the expanded NCAA field of 96 to free up more at-large bids. That's the best chance of getting more bids in the future, because the current environment is not favorable.

 

I do not favor expansion. Don't water down the product. The answer is for the SLU's of the world to elevate their product. As I have been saying for 50 years why can't we be as good as Villinova-Marquette-Creighton or anyone in the Big East. 

[TRN]

14 minutes ago, willie said:

I do not favor expansion. Don't water down the product. The answer is for the SLU's of the world to elevate their product. As I have been saying for 50 years why can't we be as good as Villinova-Marquette-Creighton or anyone in the Big East. 

You’re not wrong at all.  We were at that level under Majerus and can be there again.  

[billikenfan05]

I am going to be honest, I still am not sure what was being said or not said.

[Taj79]

What P6 players have transferred down to the A10?  P6 schools/players in bold face.

Richmond:  Quinn (Lafayette), Hunt (Wagner) and King (East Tennessee State), and Harris (East Carolina).

Loyola: Adelekun (Dartmouth), Alston (D2), Mwamba (Oral Roberts), and Watson (Davidson).

Dayton:  Santos (Pitt), Cheeks (Robert Morris), Jack (Buffalo), and Bennett (Merrimack).

VCU: Kuany (Cal), Bamisile (Oklahoma), Jackson (Michigan), Nelson (Richmond) and do you count Shulga and Bairstow who followed Odom from Utah State?

Umass:  Cohen (St. Francis (PA)), Cross (Louisville), Hankins-Sanford (South Carolina),and  Diggins (Uconn).

Bonaventure:  Venning (Morgan State), Banks (St. Peters), Pride (Bryant), Adams-Woods (Cincinnati), Luc (Holy Cross), and Flowers (Hartford).

Duquesne: Grant (Miami of Ohio), Clark (VCU), the Drame twins (La Salle), Mahorcic (NC State), Savrasov (Georgia Southern), and Williams (Indiana State).

St. Joes: Coleman (East Carolina) and Greer (Dayton).

Fordham: Akuwovo (Binghampton), Rivera (Lafayette), and Medor (Texas-San Antonio).

La Salle: None.

Rhode Island: Bilau (Wichita State), House (High Point), Kortright (Quinnipiac), Montgomery (Bradley), and Weston (Seton Hall).

Davidson: Skogman (Buffalo), Brizzi (Villanova), Cochera (William & Mary), and Moss (Stanford).

George Washington: Harvey (Charleston), Bishop (LSU), Smith (Evansville), Akingbola (Auburn), and Schroder (Oklahoma).

Saint Louis: Ezewiro (Georgetown), Meadows (Portland) and Dalger (Tulsa).

So 55 players on current rosters with 15 (27%) coming down from P6 schools.  Of those 15, only Santos, Bamisile, Jackson, Cross, Diggins and Bishop are really major contributors at their new schools and you can throw Ezewiro in there for good measure.  Interesting that the top two school sin the league have no P6 contributors yet they lead the league in terms of the standings.