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13 minutes ago, Taj79 said:

As much as I hate Duke, I like their policy that no number gets retired without a diploma.  I believe that kept Laettner's number from the rafters for years.  

i think that must graduate policy to hang a banner went out in the 90's sometime and they no longer adhere to that.   duke's holier than thou look is long gone.  they are scum like the rest of the blue bloods.

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1 hour ago, Duff Man said:

Claggett is more worthy than any other Billiken past or present of having his number retired. 3x 1st team All Conf, Honorable Mention All-American. 2nd all-time leading scorer.

Jordair Jett is certainly more worthy than anyone on the current roster having won conf POY and Honorable Mention All-American.

I think we should also remember that Melvin Robinson wore 50 in 1989-90 and Cody Ellis wore 24 from 2010-2013 after the numbers were supposed to be "retired".

I don't know when Boushka's 24 was retired but Larry Simmons wore it in the late 90s. This might have been the period when only 50 was retired while we had 24 and 43 banners hanging next to it.

Bonner's 34 wasn't retired immediately as some have pointed out that Donnie Dobbs wore it from 92-94 and then Tyrone Caswell in the late 90s. I don't recall exactly when Bonner's 34 was retired.

Bottom line: It's an exclusive club that doesn't really have any clear criteria or consistent rules. 

Easy Ed’s number 50 is the only retired number at SLU and I think that only happened about 20 years ago.  The jerseys of Bonner, Ferry, and Bousshka are retired. Anyone can still get assigned their number.

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1 hour ago, Duff Man said:

Claggett is more worthy than any other Billiken past or present of having his number retired. 3x 1st team All Conf, Honorable Mention All-American. 2nd all-time leading scorer.

Jordair Jett is certainly more worthy than anyone on the current roster having won conf POY and Honorable Mention All-American.

I think we should also remember that Melvin Robinson wore 50 in 1989-90 and Cody Ellis wore 24 from 2010-2013 after the numbers were supposed to be "retired".

I don't know when Boushka's 24 was retired but Larry Simmons wore it in the late 90s. This might have been the period when only 50 was retired while we had 24 and 43 banners hanging next to it.

Bonner's 34 wasn't retired immediately as some have pointed out that Donnie Dobbs wore it from 92-94 and then Tyrone Caswell in the late 90s. I don't recall exactly when Bonner's 34 was retired.

Bottom line: It's an exclusive club that doesn't really have any clear criteria or consistent rules. 

Easy Ed’s number 50 is the only retired number at SLU and I think that only happened about 20 years ago.  The jerseys of Bonner, Ferry, and Bousshka are retired. Anyone can still get assigned their number.

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15 minutes ago, brianstl said:

Easy Ed’s number 50 is the only retired number at SLU and I think that only happened about 20 years ago.  The jerseys of Bonner, Ferry, and Bousshka are retired. Anyone can still get assigned their number.

I feel like Melvin Robinson was made to switch to 54 from 50 his soph year because they realized after it was too late that 50 was supposed to be retired. Not sure if it was officially retired or if it was a Willie McGee 51 situation where Bud Smith gave up number 51 after a pair of starts for the Cardinals in 2001 and no Cardinals player has worn it since.

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1 hour ago, Duff Man said:

The idea that Jordair Jett was a one season supernova is revisionist history.

Jett made all 10 defensive team as a 7th man on the deepest roster in program history. He was the best defensive player on the best team we've seen. He was not asked to do much offensively but he was a key part of the NCAA run that had them closer to the Sweet 16 than at any other point in my lifetime before Draymond twisted the knife.

As a Junior, Jett was 3rd team all conference and once again all defensive A10 on a team that swept the A10 regular season and conf tournament titles. The only Billikens team to ever do that.

He took it to another level the following year with Kwamain gone, but Jett was a key part of 2 great teams and was honored with all conference recognition before that magic senior year.

Goodwin meanwhile has 1 first team all conference and 1 all defensive team and 1 NCAA tournament appearance....and people are ready to retire his number

Jett had a good career, but his legend is disproportionately weighted toward his season year. Before that, he was largely an offensive role player and defensive specialist (and a great one at that). Goodwin will end up with similar accolades and FAR superior numbers. As of today, with Goodwin having played 41 less games than Jett, Goodwin has 358 more rebounds, 8 more steals, 83 less points, and 99 less assists. The only counting category they will end up remotely close in is assists.

A lot of people neglect how great Goodwin has been through 3 season.

 

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2 hours ago, brianstl said:

Easy Ed’s number 50 is the only retired number at SLU and I think that only happened about 20 years ago.  The jerseys of Bonner, Ferry, and Bousshka are retired. Anyone can still get assigned their number.

I think the number/jersey distinction is a nice compromise.  We simply haven't had players who dominated over multiple years for tournament teams, save for Easy Ed and arguably Claggett.  These are the best we've got.  Goodwin's story is still being written.

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41 minutes ago, BilliesBy40 said:

Jett had a good career, but his legend is disproportionately weighted toward his season year. Before that, he was largely an offensive role player and defensive specialist (and a great one at that). Goodwin will end up with similar accolades and FAR superior numbers. As of today, with Goodwin having played 41 less games than Jett, Goodwin has 358 more rebounds, 8 more steals, 83 less points, and 99 less assists. The only counting category they will end up remotely close in is assists.

A lot of people neglect how great Goodwin has been through 3 season.

 

you can make the connection of the senior season that distorts the memory about a number of our billiken idols.   justin love, brian conklin, jordair jett, and Rob Loe all immediately come to mind.     

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18 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

you can make the connection of the senior season that distorts the memory about a number of our billiken idols.   justin love, brian conklin, jordair jett, and Rob Loe all immediately come to mind.     

Yeah, they were all bad asses who improved mightily as they progressed. Why would not remember them at the peak of their value?

Meanwhile other guys (not going to name any names) peaked soph year and never lived up to their true potential.

Naturally we're going to glorify the former over the latter.

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1 hour ago, BilliesBy40 said:

Jett had a good career, but his legend is disproportionately weighted toward his season year. Before that, he was largely an offensive role player and defensive specialist (and a great one at that). Goodwin will end up with similar accolades and FAR superior numbers. As of today, with Goodwin having played 41 less games than Jett, Goodwin has 358 more rebounds, 8 more steals, 83 less points, and 99 less assists. The only counting category they will end up remotely close in is assists.

A lot of people neglect how great Goodwin has been through 3 season.

 

Goodwin has also taken 88 more shots than Jett did, and Jett still has 14 more made FGs. Efficiency matters.

Remember when everyone used to lament Jett's poor FT shooting? Well his 61.2% > Goodwin's 56.6%

I'm not trying to pick on Goodwin because he's really improved from where he was mid soph year,  and he fits so well with this current group. He's a guy who does MANY MANY things well and contributes on both sides and works his ass off on both ends and his aggressiveness set the tone for the entire team...but he's not a dominant offensive player who you just keep feeding the ball to (like Perkins or Jett or Claggett).

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1 hour ago, Duff Man said:

Goodwin has also taken 88 more shots than Jett did, and Jett still has 14 more made FGs. Efficiency matters.

Remember when everyone used to lament Jett's poor FT shooting? Well his 61.2% > Goodwin's 56.6%

I'm not trying to pick on Goodwin because he's really improved from where he was mid soph year,  and he fits so well with this current group. He's a guy who does MANY MANY things well and contributes on both sides and works his ass off on both ends and his aggressiveness set the tone for the entire team...but he's not a dominant offensive player who you just keep feeding the ball to (like Perkins or Jett or Claggett).

Basically agree with everything here. Remember, Jett wasn’t that guy on offense until his senior year.

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I think career stats & regular season stats should be made available - some guys had NIT runs & NCAA runs.  I’m sure Claggs is the regular season points leader.  Bonner had 2 NIT runs to the finals.  MLB does this.

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I don't know if we'll ever get a player like JGood again. I don't think they're are many like him playing for any team today. As a guard he ranked 15th nationally in rebounds. That is what you would call truly unique. If his outside shot has improved he's gonna be a real load for opponents. Just listened to KMOX show w/ Travis. He was talking about Perkins and how last year he snuck up on everyone, but this year he's going to be a focus of defenders. Sounded a little concern that Javonte would some time take it a little easy out there but now he's got to go full tilt every minute he's on the floor. Still, he said he's a very special player who can score in so many ways. Man, I can't wait for the opening tip. 

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JGood is the most important player SLU has ever signed. Landing a 4 star local kid caused all top local players in the area to take an extra long look at Coach Ford and SLU. Some top recruits followed. He's been everything we could have asked for on the court. Excellent leadership, and his numbers speak for themselves. Attendance surged under the Goodwin era. He helps recruit kids now knowing he won't even be around. His impact on the program has been monumental. We needed Travis Ford as bad as Coach needed Jordan Goodwin. Together, they go into JGoods senior year with a team that will not only compete for an A-10 title but should land in the top 20. 

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50 minutes ago, slu72 said:

I don't know if we'll ever get a player like JGood again. I don't think they're are many like him playing for any team today. As a guard he ranked 15th nationally in rebounds. That is what you would call truly unique. If his outside shot has improved he's gonna be a real load for opponents. Just listened to KMOX show w/ Travis. He was talking about Perkins and how last year he snuck up on everyone, but this year he's going to be a focus of defenders. Sounded a little concern that Javonte would some time take it a little easy out there but now he's got to go full tilt every minute he's on the floor. Still, he said he's a very special player who can score in so many ways. Man, I can't wait for the opening tip. 

I kinda hope teams focus more on Perk. Because he’s a good enough shooter that he’s still gonna get his, but it means less focus on JGood and Has, and Jimerson, and Yuri and TJ and Jimmy Bell and everyone else. Perk will be fine. But we DO have other weapons besides him. And when he gets hot, he can carry us no matter how much teams focus on him. Can’t wait for Wednesday!

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1 minute ago, DOC said:

JGood is the most important player SLU has ever signed. Landing a 4 star local kid caused all top local players in the area to take an extra long look at Coach Ford and SLU. Some top recruits followed. He's been everything we could have asked for on the court. Excellent leadership, and his numbers speak for themselves. Attendance surged under the Goodwin era. He helps recruit kids now knowing he won't even be around. His impact on the program has been monumental. We needed Travis Ford as bad as Coach needed Jordan Goodwin. Together, they go into JGoods senior year with a team that will not only compete for an A-10 title but should land in the top 20. 

Good post!

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2 hours ago, DOC said:

JGood is the most important player SLU has ever signed. Landing a 4 star local kid caused all top local players in the area to take an extra long look at Coach Ford and SLU. Some top recruits followed. He's been everything we could have asked for on the court. Excellent leadership, and his numbers speak for themselves. Attendance surged under the Goodwin era. He helps recruit kids now knowing he won't even be around. His impact on the program has been monumental. We needed Travis Ford as bad as Coach needed Jordan Goodwin. Together, they go into JGoods senior year with a team that will not only compete for an A-10 title but should land in the top 20. 

Love this. He’s the literal perfect player for our program

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The only way to fairly compare Jordair and Jordan at this point is to compare them at the same point in their careers. Touting Jordairs 1st team all conference selection as a Sr when JGood hasn't played his Sr year seems a little disingenuous. I would assume when posters are talking about retiring JGood's number it would be assuming he's played his Sr season and it's at least as good as his Jr season. If that happens as much as I love Jordair (and I was on his bandwagon very early even when many weren't) JGood will have had the better career and it'll be clearly better. 

oops I didn't realize the dates on the discussion I'm responding to. 

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8 hours ago, Reinert310 said:

I kinda hope teams focus more on Perk. Because he’s a good enough shooter that he’s still gonna get his, but it means less focus on JGood and Has, and Jimerson, and Yuri and TJ and Jimmy Bell and everyone else. Perk will be fine. But we DO have other weapons besides him. And when he gets hot, he can carry us no matter how much teams focus on him. Can’t wait for Wednesday!

Don’t forget Fred and Demarius. 

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3 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Over the last 6 games, Goodwin is averaging 

18.7 PPG, 11.2 RPG, 3.7 APG, 2.3 SPG, 2.5 TOV, 50.0% FG, 35.0% 3FG, 71.9% FT

 

 

 

I said it before and I'll say it again Jordan Goodwin is the best guard/wing in the A10 and it's not that close. Add to that the qualities he brings to the team that don't show up on the stat sheet. 

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